Land of the free and home of the brave? This is **** you'd expect in mexico or some 3rd world country, not in america in the 21st century, come on. Cops suck, period. Most of them were teased in school and take it out on society the rest of their lives. "Respect my authoritia!"
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that's just not right at all no proof of speeding and no proof she was on her cell phone, the cop deserves what is going to come out of this case.
I am getting pretty sick of the Police Officer bashing on here. Yes there are a few bad cops. BUT, they are in the vast minority. I also am getting tired of the US bashing by its own citizens. Yes the US has problems. BUT, IMHO it is still one of the best Countries in the World to Live in. If it was not, then why the heck are illegals from all LOT of Countries flooding our shores? MMmmm???
I am a Navy brat. I would have given my eye teeth to serve in the Military but epilepsy kept me out. I how ever did spend the year of 76 on foreign soil when my dad was allowed to bring us to live because of his duty station. After living in that Country for a year seeing what the locals went through, seeing the warped laws, just seeing a lot of things I literally KISSED the ground when I got back to the US.
For all you US citizens that moan how horrible it is here and compare us to a third world country, then I FREELY invite you to go LIVE in a REAL third world country for no less than one year. If you do that upon your return I think the scales may drop from your eyes.
Goodness knows I know the times are changing here and times are hard. The government is getting to big for its britches, and things like that. BUT! BUT! This IS America! This IS America where change IS POSSIBLE by the people. Yes, Power to the People has weakened, BUT the People (us) still do have power. There is power in numbers. In a lot of third world countries there is no power but a total dictatorship where it can and a lot of times DOES mean your life if you think different than what the government wants you to think.
Now getting back to the Police Officers. I'm sorry so many have bad views of them due to a tainted few. Just think of the sheer numbers of Police Officers, I bet 99% do Live to by the credo of "Protect and Serve". Shame on you all for letting a few bad cops in numbers turn you to a cop hater. Also what I want you to do is that if ever you are in a store or bank and an armed dangerous gang decides what is in that bank/store is theirs along with what is yours is theirs, I want you to calmly inform everyone/victims to do not call the Police, because the Police suck. Then I want you to look the gang in the eyes and look down the barrels of their guns and inform THEM that you are handling the situation and to please leave the store/bank Thank You very much.
I am a Navy brat. I would have given my eye teeth to serve in the Military but epilepsy kept me out. I how ever did spend the year of 76 on foreign soil when my dad was allowed to bring us to live because of his duty station. After living in that Country for a year seeing what the locals went through, seeing the warped laws, just seeing a lot of things I literally KISSED the ground when I got back to the US.
For all you US citizens that moan how horrible it is here and compare us to a third world country, then I FREELY invite you to go LIVE in a REAL third world country for no less than one year. If you do that upon your return I think the scales may drop from your eyes.
Goodness knows I know the times are changing here and times are hard. The government is getting to big for its britches, and things like that. BUT! BUT! This IS America! This IS America where change IS POSSIBLE by the people. Yes, Power to the People has weakened, BUT the People (us) still do have power. There is power in numbers. In a lot of third world countries there is no power but a total dictatorship where it can and a lot of times DOES mean your life if you think different than what the government wants you to think.
Now getting back to the Police Officers. I'm sorry so many have bad views of them due to a tainted few. Just think of the sheer numbers of Police Officers, I bet 99% do Live to by the credo of "Protect and Serve". Shame on you all for letting a few bad cops in numbers turn you to a cop hater. Also what I want you to do is that if ever you are in a store or bank and an armed dangerous gang decides what is in that bank/store is theirs along with what is yours is theirs, I want you to calmly inform everyone/victims to do not call the Police, because the Police suck. Then I want you to look the gang in the eyes and look down the barrels of their guns and inform THEM that you are handling the situation and to please leave the store/bank Thank You very much.
Thank you. Make sure that you tell me this to my face when you call me for help. Have a good day
i like to think most cops are good but i sometimes make the mistake of listening to some ex cops tell me that most cops are not good because even the ones that try to toe the line are complicit in covering up for all the bad stuff that goes on ...
anyway it is one thing for some fool to say all cops are bad ( and i think it just as foolish to even address them with a response ) and someone else that points directly at the bad cop and directly addresses the infractions committed - and when people are getting wounded and killed and their life ruined then i think it very correct to bring up the issues as they occur and bring justice to bear against the guilty
i don't see anyone going out and beating up cops or shooting them on a routine basis or putting them in jail by false witness or planting drugs on them or ordering them around and tasing them at the slightest hint of non cooperation or acusing them of resisting when someone bashes their head into the ground etc .
so what you call bashing them is people talking and saying words you don't like ?
i guess and attitude like that to the extreme would call for an anti - bad talk about the police law - should it be against the law to say anything bad about the police ? in case you don't know it - it is almost against the law to say anything bad about the president already
most of us that complain about the country or the police are doing so because we have lived long enough to remember when it was better and we have read of times past when it was much better and the whole reason why it is getting worse is because there are not enough people speaking out and complaining and putting the coops and the gov oh fish alls feet to the fire - most of us think that the usa is great but it could and should be greater and we are afraid and angry about what we see going on
so now they are not afraid to hold public office and make laws concerning child protections while they themselves are child molesters
Mark Foley scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
and nothing happens to them
too many times these people commit crimes and they get away with it and not enough people stand up and make enough noise to do anything about it
so i am just a lot more worried about my country going to crap and my fellow citizens being mistreated than i am that your feelings are hurt because you don't like to be told about how bad it is
when they come to your door and break it down and come in and tackle an old woman and at gunpoint take your guns because there is a flood 10 miles away
( that happened in the katrina hurricane flood )
or when they raid your co-op food business and take all of your food because an undercover agent tried to get you to sell him some eggs but you refuse and give the eggs to him and as he is leaving - he slaps some money on the table - then he sends in the swat team with automatic machine guns pointed at your kids
Swat Team conducts food raid in rural Ohio
SWAT Team Like Raid by Ohio authorities on a farm house in LaGange
Ohio: Local food co-op raided by SWAT team, Cleveland - Go Local on SustainLane
then - maybe then - you will stop fretting about the cops getting bashed too much
i am afraid that you just are not informed or you don't have much empathy for all the heartaches that are being forced on people by not only a bunch of bad cops but a system that is going sour
i bet you think that all the bank troubles were just an accident - oooops they messed up again - give them more money
i bet you think that all the failures of the security systems on 911 were just a dozen or two dozen accidents that just happened at the same time - ooops they messed up again - give them more money
i bet you think that the lying stories about wmd's in iraq were just an accident - ooops they messed up - more money for the unjustified war
i bet you think that the reason why they didn't find osama bin forgotten and they don't care about finding him even though they blamed the whole 911 on him even though the fbi says there is NO evidence that he had anything to do with 911 is because they just have a bad memory and they don't remember who they are looking for and they forgot that he is the one that did 911 ? oooops they messed up - time to see your taxes get raised again
when you read in the news that they are making it a crime to call someone a name or hurt their feelings -
are you telling me that there is no reason to stand up and scream - this is bullcrap ! and i am not going to take it any more !
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I'm going to go by your login and say.... you're a chief of a PD in NC?
I take it then you understand my position, that some cops shouldn't have gotten badges, that tazers are great when used correctly, and that all officers, no matter how great they are, benefit from better training and tools, especially those tools that let an officer avoid the use of a gun, and a potentially fatal mistake.
I'm going to go by your login and say.... you're a chief of a PD in NC?
I take it then you understand my position, that some cops shouldn't have gotten badges, that tazers are great when used correctly, and that all officers, no matter how great they are, benefit from better training and tools, especially those tools that let an officer avoid the use of a gun, and a potentially fatal mistake.
I could not agree with the above more.
This is an ignorant thing to say. Blanket statements like this demonstrate your bigoted prejudice. Just as in any other facet of life there are both bad and good elements in law enforcement positions. I'd say that the 90% of good police are overshadowed by fictional tv characterizations and the 10% bad real police officers.
Don't demean an entire group of people because of their job choice. Some people go into law enforcement because they want to help people and contribute to society. What do you do in an effort to make your community better?
People with your attitude are part of the problem. You don't know anything about those people. They put their lives on the line every single day, do you really think that they do that knowing that they could die every day just to make themselves feel like big men/women? I want to be a police officer because I want to make the world safer, I want to get the drug dealers off of the streets that kill children, I want to make sure that people can be safe in their own neighborhoods.
I sure as hell would not want to put my life on the line to make me feel like a big girl. Do you think that the military does the same thing? They are pretty much the same thing as the police, if you think about it. They are the cops for the whole country, out to help save our country and the countries of others.
I agree, some cops shouldn't be cops, some of them due to physical issues. I saw an officer in a sheriffs car several years ago and his stomach was touching the steering wheel, I could plainly see that when he drove by me on the other side of the street. I can't become a cop right now because I am too physically weak, but I can't see myself not being able to do anything that horribly obese guy could do.
As for the "overdoing it" that some police officers do. Some people when under the effects of drugs and maybe even under the effect of alzheimers (not sure of the specifics of that one) and other mental illnesses can be very very strong. You don't know who you are dealing with, what they are going to do, or what they are on. We've all seen the pictures of the naked man that it took 5 cops to take him down because he was on PCP or something like that.
As far as the tazer lady goes, I'm thinking that probably if she was acting all shifty and nervous, and wouldn't get back into the car when he told her to, he saw that as a sign of trouble to come. If she can't even obey a command as simple as "Get back in your car" what else is she going to do? I tell you what, I don't care how I felt about getting pulled over, I would still do what the police said. I always have and always will.
Heck, I remember the time that I got pulled over at about 11pm one evening when I was delivering pizza. I had just been on a delivery where I couldn't find the freaking house for a long ... time and had been away from the store for like an hour. I was pretty new to the job and was afraid that I was going to get in trouble when I got back. So a police officer (state trooper) pulls me over and was like "So do you know why I stopped you?". I said "Yeah, I was going what, 61 or 62 in this 55 zone?" He said "Actually, I pulled you over because your license plate light is out" I was like "Uh oh, I was not aware of that, I'm sorry!"
Then he noticed that I was all nervous acting and figety and said "You seem a bit nervous, is there anything in the car that I should know about?" And then I explained to him the whole story about how I was new at my job and was just trying to find a house for like an hour. He said "Ok, that's fine, you just seemed really nervous wasn't sure what it was about". Then he gave me a little note to get my light fixed, didn't even count as an official warning or anything.
The point is, even when I was acting all nervous and stuff, he didn't immediately freak out on me, he just calmly asked me what was going on and I told him the WHOLE story. He was a state trooper though, and I have to admit that those guys really have their stuff together, best cops out there.
yeah i think most of the straight male ones act a little nicer when the nervous potential perp is pretty and has no beard or mustache or hairy legs or pits
and i can not fault them for that
haha
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Eh, well I was hot and sweaty, wearing a Domino's uniform, so I don't know how pretty I was that night!
I did have hairy legs, but he couldn't see that. I'm lazy, I don't wear shorts or dresses, and I hate shaving my legs!I have to agree. Several GFs of mine have me told stories of theirs where I was ALWAYS busted, especially with the circumstances they stated, and they skated. I'm sorry, but it is true, women do get the breaks in pull overs.
I agree that maybe a couple of times they have let me go with a warning, but I haven't got out of a ticket everytime or anything, even though I've never done anything crazy like go 20 over the speed limit or anything.
But I think that sometimes it has to do with the way that the male getting pulled over is acting. Not saying that you are all being macho bravo or anything, but I know that when most ladies get pulled over, we try to be sweet as can be out of instinct. On top of that, I think that most insurance companies will agree that when most males are pulled over, they are violating the law by a bigger degree than most ladies- going much further over the speed limit than we do. (Not ALL of you guys do, but there are statistics to back up the fact that men sometimes have more of a lead foot)
I feel inclined to chime in here. I'm new to the community, but I have some experience. I was a cop, in a hard city, I'm not sure if anyone is familiar with anyone is familiar with the Detroit area? (sarcasm)
On topic- Things not to be when pulled over: Dishonest. Smartass. I remember pulling over a guy with an expired plate. I walked up to his vehicle gun drawn OMG! (You can still have your gun drawn, and trust me you did on my patrol, without the driver ever knowing it), after I was comfortable, I quietly put it back in my holster. "License registration" while my partner checked the trunk (OMG!) on the way to the passenger side. It was a gang tactic at the time to ride with one in the trunk with a shotgun with the lid held down on drug transports. In any case, the guy had a suspended license for tickets, he was honest with me, told me his situation. I cut him a break, he was going to pick up his kid.
I also remember pulling over a kid who was driving a BMW. Daddy was a judge and he had liquor on his breathe. Told me who his daddy was and said "it's ok" and said he'd have my job on the plate when things got a bit more heated. Booked his punk ... in my city and I swear to god he didn't like that. I did catch some hell for that.
Bottom line- Be nice, use expressions like "yes officer" and "sure." Any question about the e-cigarette, answer promptly, in short tell the truth. If things start going to crap, ask the officer nicely to call a supervisor to the scene. If you don't have anything to hide, what are you worried about? If you wanna be a jack***, that's fine, I don't have time for it, but I'd MAKE time for it. Yes, Jack** I could be busting "serious" criminals, but now that you've made an issue, I'm gonna ruin your day more than mine, I assure you. Just be polite and cooperate, if anyone get's arrested, please let us know. Some people are looking forward too it so they can sue the departments they pay taxes for for a quick buck.
Off topic- I'm not longer a cop. Due to PTS from a few incidents, I got out soon. I worked in a hard city, and although I went through an abnormal amount of what happens out there, there's guys that have seen worse who are still out protecting YOU. Yup there are a couple of jerks out there. It's easy to find video's of what appears to be cops being excessive (everything is recorded now, with good reason) ..sometimes cops are jerks. Contrary to popular belief 99% of the cops I knew and even knew about were GOOD cops. Yes they are held to a higher standard, but we're not robots. You can train and train and train. (And we did) but when things happen, you can't be trained for everything. Honest hard working cops can make mistakes, myself included. (For reference I wasn't fired or asked to step down)
It's easy to sit behind a computer and watch conspiracy films all day. It's easy to gain a perception because your friend got pulled over that one time. It's easy to stereotype a profession and post videos with asshats of such professions. That's the easy part. Try actually doing it.
Don't mean to be too negative be to you police basher's, relax, they don't want to hurt you unless you're guilty. Also, you suck.
On topic- Things not to be when pulled over: Dishonest. Smartass. I remember pulling over a guy with an expired plate. I walked up to his vehicle gun drawn OMG! (You can still have your gun drawn, and trust me you did on my patrol, without the driver ever knowing it), after I was comfortable, I quietly put it back in my holster. "License registration" while my partner checked the trunk (OMG!) on the way to the passenger side. It was a gang tactic at the time to ride with one in the trunk with a shotgun with the lid held down on drug transports. In any case, the guy had a suspended license for tickets, he was honest with me, told me his situation. I cut him a break, he was going to pick up his kid.
I also remember pulling over a kid who was driving a BMW. Daddy was a judge and he had liquor on his breathe. Told me who his daddy was and said "it's ok" and said he'd have my job on the plate when things got a bit more heated. Booked his punk ... in my city and I swear to god he didn't like that. I did catch some hell for that.
Bottom line- Be nice, use expressions like "yes officer" and "sure." Any question about the e-cigarette, answer promptly, in short tell the truth. If things start going to crap, ask the officer nicely to call a supervisor to the scene. If you don't have anything to hide, what are you worried about? If you wanna be a jack***, that's fine, I don't have time for it, but I'd MAKE time for it. Yes, Jack** I could be busting "serious" criminals, but now that you've made an issue, I'm gonna ruin your day more than mine, I assure you. Just be polite and cooperate, if anyone get's arrested, please let us know. Some people are looking forward too it so they can sue the departments they pay taxes for for a quick buck.
Off topic- I'm not longer a cop. Due to PTS from a few incidents, I got out soon. I worked in a hard city, and although I went through an abnormal amount of what happens out there, there's guys that have seen worse who are still out protecting YOU. Yup there are a couple of jerks out there. It's easy to find video's of what appears to be cops being excessive (everything is recorded now, with good reason) ..sometimes cops are jerks. Contrary to popular belief 99% of the cops I knew and even knew about were GOOD cops. Yes they are held to a higher standard, but we're not robots. You can train and train and train. (And we did) but when things happen, you can't be trained for everything. Honest hard working cops can make mistakes, myself included. (For reference I wasn't fired or asked to step down)
It's easy to sit behind a computer and watch conspiracy films all day. It's easy to gain a perception because your friend got pulled over that one time. It's easy to stereotype a profession and post videos with asshats of such professions. That's the easy part. Try actually doing it.
Don't mean to be too negative be to you police basher's, relax, they don't want to hurt you unless you're guilty. Also, you suck.
I always believe that when you are in a situation with a law official: A) always act like they are stupid and B) enjoy the free meals when they take you in.
Reality is for those that lack imagination...
Reality is for those that lack imagination...
I was walking along a road at 4am, and a cop pulled up behind me. Probably assumed he was going to make an underage drinking bust, or just wanted to see what I was doing walking down that road so early/late. I was very honest with him right off the bat, told him I had been drinking, that I'm of age, had my ID, and he then asked if I had any weapons on me. I told him no weapons, and then asked if he was familiar with an electronic cigarette. He told me he wasn't, so I opened my pouch and showed him what was in there, and took my e-cig apart and explained it to him. He asked if he could search me, and I told him that was not a problem. He didn't end up searching me, and didn't have a problem with the e-cig. He even gave me a ride home. Not all cops are bad, and out to get you. As long as you're up front, honest, and polite, you'll be fine.
Of the few times I've been in contact with cops, they've generally been very polite and professional. When I was younger, I crossed the highway to get to work (stupid!) and a cop pulled over, informed me that it was illegal to walk on a highway, and gave me a ride. Even dropped me off a little away from my work so it wouldn't look bad to my boss.
A little later, I was on my way to a festival, got pulled over because I was driving too slow (it was dark and foggy, and I was unfamiliar with the area), cop said I had a problem with my license, and searched the car. Ended up being a HUGE pain, as I have a perfect driving record, had to send all my information to this po'dunk town, only to find that the cop never even submitted the ticket he issued me..
Every cop is different, just treat them as you would like to be treated, and you should be fine.
On another note, it is EXTREMELY expensive to smoke marijuana out of an e-cig. Like anywhere from 400 to 500 dollars for a 5mL bottle of liquid with THC, or hash oil. I highly doubt anyone is smoking anything but nicotine out of these things, and anyone who is telling you otherwise, is just fear-mongering/lying out their teeth.
A little later, I was on my way to a festival, got pulled over because I was driving too slow (it was dark and foggy, and I was unfamiliar with the area), cop said I had a problem with my license, and searched the car. Ended up being a HUGE pain, as I have a perfect driving record, had to send all my information to this po'dunk town, only to find that the cop never even submitted the ticket he issued me..
Every cop is different, just treat them as you would like to be treated, and you should be fine.
On another note, it is EXTREMELY expensive to smoke marijuana out of an e-cig. Like anywhere from 400 to 500 dollars for a 5mL bottle of liquid with THC, or hash oil. I highly doubt anyone is smoking anything but nicotine out of these things, and anyone who is telling you otherwise, is just fear-mongering/lying out their teeth.
You rock BigJimW, keep up the youtube vids too please.As my landlord is also a cop on the Providence, RI police force, and as I got him into e-cigs, and he now tells me that 30% of the force now vapes, I think I'm safe if I got pulled over.
You rock BigJimW, keep up the youtube vids too please.
Thanks, I try.
I think RI will be safe from the ban. Even though this state is a ****hole to live in, there has yet to be one mention of banning them here. In fact, last media piece was an article in the Providence Urinal (Journal) about the SE kiosk at the Providence Place Mall, run by a guy who "plugs his cigarettes in". It was a positive article, like most media, until the FDA stepped in with their bull**** "report".
Oh well.
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