E-Liquid Dropper Bottles & Child Safety Caps - Question for Everyone

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There's been a lot of discussion geared towards requiring vendors to use child safety caps or child-proof caps (depending on which you prefer) on all e-liquid bottles sold as they're a deterrent and they may be required at some point should the FDA push through with their regulations or publish new amendments that will require them.

With that in mind, a group of us sat down last night to discuss this. I'm all for preventative measures (and I'm sure the majority of you are as well), though each of us began looking at the dropper caps all too common on any glass bottle. The caps are plastic, the tube is often glass or borosilicate (some are plastic) and the actual suction is rubber (i.e what creates the vacuum to pull e-liquid into the tube) - more often than not, it's a lighter rubber to ensure it's easy to squeeze and drip.

Looking at the bottles further, we each began pulling on the rubber to see how easy it'd be to pull it from the cap, thus circumventing the child safety cap and getting what is in the bottle, out. I then handed an empty, unused bottle to a long-time friends' child and asked them to open the bottle without removing the cap. Nothing was in the bottle, it was 100% empty (just to make confirm) - they were 4 years old. The only other instructions was not to smash or attempt to break the bottle since it was glass.

Like myself and others, the child pulled the rubber cap right out of the bottle with relative ease. Had there been anything in that bottle, it would have went everywhere as the child would have most likely turned it upside down or began to sling it around (in the event of the child being younger).


What are your thoughts? I'm asking as many vendors are moving to glass bottles with droppers. Some of those are not child proof, some are, though the vast majority of these bottle caps suffer from the same easy removal of the rubber insert. I see child proof caps for what they are, and I'm sure they work for some and deter some from being able to gain access to what's inside, but it seems for dropper bottles, child proof caps don't provide the same prevention.

Ultimately, parents, i.e. us vapers, are the ones responsible for keeping these bottles away from our children (I'm a parent too) - and it's our responsibility to teach our children not to touch what they don't know about, but things happen and it's not always cut and dry do or don't - most kids will do given the chance.
 

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My thoughts on this are it SHOULDN'T matter because kids shouldn't be able to reach it anyhow.

In real world application- I appreciate the glass that is childproof... BUT some adventurous kids can pull droppers off. If the FDA gets ahold of it I still think those dropper bottles with child-safety would be OK (IE they would allow that). But overall, know your kid... if it's down because you are dripping, and you might have to walk away for a second... Might be a good idea to put a days worth in a plastic dropper bottle with a better cap.

On the other hand, I don't lock bleach up or e-liquid. But I know my kids and they don't touch it (and there's always an adult in the living room if it's on a table). I put a just over head high shelf in the living room where they couldn't get to it, but it's easy enough to set a bottle down and pick it up when re-entering the room.

This wouldn't be an issue if people would use a little common sense with kids. IMO
 

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There is also an issue, becoming more common, for those of us who can't open child resistant (not child proof - nothing is) containers. For just about all other products, non-child resistant caps can be requested, but there are quite a few suppliers that I can't use, because I can't open the containers.

Even when I get help opening them there is no alternative cap available, so my only choice is to transfer the liquid to another container. I make a new label, but it obviously is not as complete as the original.
 

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My thoughts on this are it SHOULDN'T matter because kids shouldn't be able to reach it anyhow.

This wouldn't be an issue if people would use a little common sense with kids. IMO

I completely agree. It shouldn't be an issue, though child-proof seems to be an ongoing debate to the point that even reviewers refuse to review vendor e-liquids that are not shipped in a child-proof capped bottle, despite child-proof not really being "child proof" in a sense that it doesn't prevent a child from opening it. It's misleading. I've seen a lot of vendors comment on this, and spoke to a few vendors that see this as being made out as more of an issue than it really is.

I fully agree that parents should teach their children not to touch and that they should use common sense. No argument there.


@amoret - That is also an issue. My mother has fibromyalgia & arthritis. She has trouble opening the lid on a candle in a mason jar, so I know that pushing down and fidgeting with a cap, such as those being discussed, would be just as much, if not more of an issue. I can definitely sympathize there as I'm sure she could as well.
 

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Ultimately, it would be nice to be given options... ESP when vendors are custom mixing anyway. Glass or Plastic Child proof or not, dropper top or no.... Understanding that glass dropper top bottles would cost more to the consumer than plastic child proof... But for those who need it a $1 would be appropriate and more than cover the additional cost to the vendor.
 

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Ultimately, it would be nice to be given options... ESP when vendors are custom mixing anyway. Glass or Plastic Child proof or not, dropper top or no.... Understanding that glass dropper top bottles would cost more to the consumer than plastic child proof... But for those who need it a $1 would be appropriate and more than cover the additional cost to the vendor.

Options are always nice, though in many cases, glass is often cheaper than plastic :). I normally see prices of .30-.40 cents for a 30ml plastic bottle with a CP cap. Glass bottles are often as low as .16 and maybe .20-.25 for a dropper cap (since they are often sold individually). If not cheaper, they cost the same, so no vendor should really be charging more for glass or plastic over the other. I can understand wanting options though :).
 

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I completely agree. It shouldn't be an issue, though child-proof seems to be an ongoing debate to the point that even reviewers refuse to review vendor e-liquids that are not shipped in a child-proof capped bottle, despite child-proof not really being "child proof" in a sense that it doesn't prevent a child from opening it. It's misleading. I've seen a lot of vendors comment on this, and spoke to a few vendors that see this as being made out as more of an issue than it really is.

I fully agree that parents should teach their children not to touch and that they should use common sense. No argument there.


@amoret - That is also an issue. My mother has fibromyalgia & arthritis. She has trouble opening the lid on a candle in a mason jar, so I know that pushing down and fidgeting with a cap, such as those being discussed, would be just as much, if not more of an issue. I can definitely sympathize there as I'm sure she could as well.

I now refuse to buy liquid from suppliers who won't sell me liquids in a bottle that I can open. That includes at least one major company that has flavors that I would like to try.
 
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