If this does ever happen here in the UK people will still be able to get the liquid and attys they want. There will just be a huge black market and illegal imports like there is with cigs right now.
E liquid to be banned ????
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No idea why Dave is leaving it till 2017 tbh, seems most of England want out yesterday, excl. the Corbyn lot, the Scottish I am not so sure about though.
Well said.
to elaborate on my previous post there is some regulations:
- i dont think anyone on this forum believes that a minor should be able to go into a vape shop and purchase merchandise. having an age restriction the same as cigarettes is very reasonable. will minors still get ejuice? yup. just like they do cigarettes now.
- this is more controversial but i do believe that proper testing procedures should be put in place and regulated. this will not change anything for DIY people just premade juice sellers. its obvious that this will result in higher operating costs and will make it extremely difficult for small producers to comply with regulations. however, i do believe that as vaping goes mainstream this will be necessity. currently the market is flooded with literally thousands of ejuice producers making almost identical flavors to each other. i would be fine with fewer ejuice producers making larger volumes and conducting proper testing to make sure that it is all as safe as possible.
- for vaping to become truly mainstream i believe that some hardware changes will also be needed. these would center around safety and would be the most difficult to implement. i dont know how this could happen but what i would like to see is some means for a mod to detect the specifications of the battery installed to ensure safe operation. along with this would also involve battery certification. perhaps something like a NFC sticker which the mod can read which would set the maximum safe current based on testing and certification. something similar for coils would also be needed. not limiting temperature, voltage, current or anything like that. but simply something which would force a mod with a Ni or Ti mod installed to run in TC mode. or ideally just use something like SS which can run in either to take away that risk completely. the safer and more idiot proof we make vaping the more likely it will be adopted by large chunks of the population. its also good for PR.
- one thing i do not agree with are regulations which only serve corporate interest. things like tank size restrictions, only having cartridges, and anything else which you have ever seen floated are suggested for one of two reasons. 1) to dissuade people from vaping and to make it so inconvenient that they go back to cigs. or 2) to force people who decide to continue to vape into buying their supplies from the same companies which you quit smoking to get away from.
- i dont think anyone on this forum believes that a minor should be able to go into a vape shop and purchase merchandise. having an age restriction the same as cigarettes is very reasonable. will minors still get ejuice? yup. just like they do cigarettes now.
- this is more controversial but i do believe that proper testing procedures should be put in place and regulated. this will not change anything for DIY people just premade juice sellers. its obvious that this will result in higher operating costs and will make it extremely difficult for small producers to comply with regulations. however, i do believe that as vaping goes mainstream this will be necessity. currently the market is flooded with literally thousands of ejuice producers making almost identical flavors to each other. i would be fine with fewer ejuice producers making larger volumes and conducting proper testing to make sure that it is all as safe as possible.
- for vaping to become truly mainstream i believe that some hardware changes will also be needed. these would center around safety and would be the most difficult to implement. i dont know how this could happen but what i would like to see is some means for a mod to detect the specifications of the battery installed to ensure safe operation. along with this would also involve battery certification. perhaps something like a NFC sticker which the mod can read which would set the maximum safe current based on testing and certification. something similar for coils would also be needed. not limiting temperature, voltage, current or anything like that. but simply something which would force a mod with a Ni or Ti mod installed to run in TC mode. or ideally just use something like SS which can run in either to take away that risk completely. the safer and more idiot proof we make vaping the more likely it will be adopted by large chunks of the population. its also good for PR.
- one thing i do not agree with are regulations which only serve corporate interest. things like tank size restrictions, only having cartridges, and anything else which you have ever seen floated are suggested for one of two reasons. 1) to dissuade people from vaping and to make it so inconvenient that they go back to cigs. or 2) to force people who decide to continue to vape into buying their supplies from the same companies which you quit smoking to get away from.
pretty much. obviously people have learned something about the "war on weed" or prohibition in the 20's. by creating these laws you are just making more criminals out of ordinary people. and the not so ordinary people will take advantage of the situation and a culture of violence will result.
She is referring to England so they never had the "by the people, for the people part." If you are referring to the USA, it was forgotten around 1791 with the Whiskey Rebellion (Just 9 years after the Revolutionary War).
@Margucci
- i dont think anyone on this forum believes that a minor should be able to go into a vape shop and purchase merchandise. having an age restriction the same as cigarettes is very reasonable. will minors still get ejuice? yup. just like they do cigarettes now.
I agree, but there are most def. ppl on this forum who think minors should have access to it all, we have had lengthy debates here about it, they may even drop by soon and get stuck in!
- this is more controversial but i do believe that proper testing procedures should be put in place and regulated. this will not change anything for DIY people just premade juice sellers. its obvious that this will result in higher operating costs and will make it extremely difficult for small producers to comply with regulations. however, i do believe that as vaping goes mainstream this will be necessity. currently the market is flooded with literally thousands of ejuice producers making almost identical flavors to each other. i would be fine with fewer ejuice producers making larger volumes and conducting proper testing to make sure that it is all as safe as possible.
What is proper testing?, not sure I agree, difficult one, as we can after all, speak with our wallets, seek out those who do test for DAP. those who don't mind DAP can still enjoy.
- for vaping to become truly mainstream i believe that some hardware changes will also be needed. these would center around safety and would be the most difficult to implement. i dont know how this could happen but what i would like to see is some means for a mod to detect the specifications of the battery installed to ensure safe operation. along with this would also involve battery certification. perhaps something like a NFC sticker which the mod can read which would set the maximum safe current based on testing and certification. something similar for coils would also be needed. not limiting temperature, voltage, current or anything like that. but simply something which would force a mod with a Ni or Ti mod installed to run in TC mode. or ideally just use something like SS which can run in either to take away that risk completely. the safer and more idiot proof we make vaping the more likely it will be adopted by large chunks of the population. its also good for PR.
This would mean the end of Mechs in your books then?
- i dont think anyone on this forum believes that a minor should be able to go into a vape shop and purchase merchandise. having an age restriction the same as cigarettes is very reasonable. will minors still get ejuice? yup. just like they do cigarettes now.
I agree, but there are most def. ppl on this forum who think minors should have access to it all, we have had lengthy debates here about it, they may even drop by soon and get stuck in!
- this is more controversial but i do believe that proper testing procedures should be put in place and regulated. this will not change anything for DIY people just premade juice sellers. its obvious that this will result in higher operating costs and will make it extremely difficult for small producers to comply with regulations. however, i do believe that as vaping goes mainstream this will be necessity. currently the market is flooded with literally thousands of ejuice producers making almost identical flavors to each other. i would be fine with fewer ejuice producers making larger volumes and conducting proper testing to make sure that it is all as safe as possible.
What is proper testing?, not sure I agree, difficult one, as we can after all, speak with our wallets, seek out those who do test for DAP. those who don't mind DAP can still enjoy.
- for vaping to become truly mainstream i believe that some hardware changes will also be needed. these would center around safety and would be the most difficult to implement. i dont know how this could happen but what i would like to see is some means for a mod to detect the specifications of the battery installed to ensure safe operation. along with this would also involve battery certification. perhaps something like a NFC sticker which the mod can read which would set the maximum safe current based on testing and certification. something similar for coils would also be needed. not limiting temperature, voltage, current or anything like that. but simply something which would force a mod with a Ni or Ti mod installed to run in TC mode. or ideally just use something like SS which can run in either to take away that risk completely. the safer and more idiot proof we make vaping the more likely it will be adopted by large chunks of the population. its also good for PR.
This would mean the end of Mechs in your books then?
as a niche community we are generally better informed than the average consumer. as i said in my original statement "however, i do believe that as vaping goes mainstream this will be necessity". when a product becomes mainstream the average consumer just wants something they can pick up and buy. they dont do research into what to avoid and potentially that may cause issues. in the end this is ignorance. however, the world is filled with things to guard you from ignorance. in addition, having standardized testing looks good on paper. as i said that idea is more controversial. in the end i dont think it would change too much. there would be higher operating expenses however those would mostly be offset by the savings of producing larger amounts. the net change in price would probably be negligible in the long term.
as for mech mods they would have a place still. it would just be a personal risk which you implicitly agree to. just like driving a classic car which doesnt have the same safety features of modern vehicles. you are aware there is no ABS, traction control, crumple zones, etc. and the risk of injury if something goes wrong is higher.
as for mech mods they would have a place still. it would just be a personal risk which you implicitly agree to. just like driving a classic car which doesnt have the same safety features of modern vehicles. you are aware there is no ABS, traction control, crumple zones, etc. and the risk of injury if something goes wrong is higher.
But what do they need to avoid? 
it is a difficult nut to crack,
As many here will argue where is proof that DAP even causes any harm, or is there something else you want to test for?
And what about the chemicals used in their place, will they be any better?, does that need research and testing also?
Don't get me wrong, I would like to see DAP testing on labels myself, but I can totally relate to the flip side...and its not like anyone holds up BT to any standards or tests that I am aware of?
Nor are you forced to sign a waver every time you buy a pack.
Just all sounds a little vague and prone to that corporate intervention/take over we all want to avoid.
As for the mechs AND batteries, yes, people should be made more aware of their dangers when placing an order online or at a B&M!
it is a difficult nut to crack, As many here will argue where is proof that DAP even causes any harm, or is there something else you want to test for?
And what about the chemicals used in their place, will they be any better?, does that need research and testing also?
Don't get me wrong, I would like to see DAP testing on labels myself, but I can totally relate to the flip side...and its not like anyone holds up BT to any standards or tests that I am aware of?
Nor are you forced to sign a waver every time you buy a pack.
Just all sounds a little vague and prone to that corporate intervention/take over we all want to avoid.
As for the mechs AND batteries, yes, people should be made more aware of their dangers when placing an order online or at a B&M!
agreed at this point more research is needed to determine what could be an issue. however, for that to be effective we need non-partisan and non-corporate funded research to be conducted in a transparent manner. i am also of the belief that the ejuice itself made by a reputable source is very safe. at this point companies arent entering the vaping market to make a quick buck off of ejuice. the market is saturated and there are a lot of people who are making ejuice either because they are passionate about vaping or are doing it to create a house brand at a B&M. however, even if there was never anything in the vapor which is a reason for concern testing, even for arbitrary known pollutants, would go at least a small way to appeasing the general population and undermining the current propaganda which is sprouting up.
and for mechs and batteries just have a sticker stating to read an included card for battery guidelines. the perception of vaping due to improper use of mechs is going to be the most difficult to overcome. how many ...... have had one explode in their face because they dont have an ounce of common sense or willingness to learn about proper use. we in the community know that these are just ....... the general populace outside of our community are completely unaware of the differences between mechs and anything else. hell, i have seen articles stating the "dangers" of vaping. when some investigation was done it came out that the tests were done at twice the voltage that anyone could ever vape at.
and for mechs and batteries just have a sticker stating to read an included card for battery guidelines. the perception of vaping due to improper use of mechs is going to be the most difficult to overcome. how many ...... have had one explode in their face because they dont have an ounce of common sense or willingness to learn about proper use. we in the community know that these are just ....... the general populace outside of our community are completely unaware of the differences between mechs and anything else. hell, i have seen articles stating the "dangers" of vaping. when some investigation was done it came out that the tests were done at twice the voltage that anyone could ever vape at.
Doesn't the lions share of 'research on e-cigs' send the 'science folks' into their fits of 'OMG You Gonna Die, It's Got All These Dangerous Chemicals In It'. Wouldn't they be the same ones analysing e-juice? Do you really think that would be Good? Do you really believe they would approve anything?
thats why i said nonpartisan and non corporate funded. its amazing how studies in the US can find that ecigs are evil and everyone should be a good little bank machine for the tobacco companies and lobby and the UK has had research done by the NHS which concluded the exact opposite. any good scientist conducts a study without bias, an open mind, and out of pure curiosity. that hasnt been the case with vaping.
@stevegmu I never know if you are being serious or just caning everyone!, hard to read ya!
It's never going to be banned in the civilized world, just regulated. I was reading about a new lab which will be making compliant e-liquid from day 1.
It's also a cheap and easy flight to Prague from most of Europe and e-liquid or hardware will never be restricted there...
Regulated sounds a bit scary, got any links for that compliant juice please? genuinely interested here!,
Scotland also btw, non stop vape cafe's, shops etc. keep popping up, I don't see them banning anything either, Benelux seems to be adopting most of Brussels diktat though
Switzerland shows no signs of slowing down either, but of course nic is illegal there.
Regulated sounds a bit scary, got any links for that compliant juice please? genuinely interested here!,
Scotland also btw, non stop vape cafe's shops etc. keep popping up, I don't see them banning anything either, Benelux seems to be adopting most of Brussels diktat though
Switzerland shows no signs of slowing down either, but of course nic is illegal there.
It was an article in the Prague Post. I'll see if I can find it...
Czech Republic just squashed a smoking in restaurant ban. They'll never touch e-nic, if they won't even restrict smoking in restaurants or hotels...
Here it is-
http://www.praguepost.com/eu-news/47287-british-e-cigarette-companies-invest-to-beat-regulation
Wow!, impressive! and I see they ARE using ISO!, hah!
btw, In Belgium, Flanders region, you can smoke tobacco in a lot* of bars etc. also!
Yea, I do not know about the law, but, They do want you to start smoking again. Its all a play that they dont want you to start smoking. If every smoker quit, the economy would crash.
and while they CAN tax E-liquid, its a slow process, First taxing it by 5%, Then 10% Then 15%
cigarettes in most places in the world are already taxed 200% or more. airport cigarettes are like... 25$
and while they CAN tax E-liquid, its a slow process, First taxing it by 5%, Then 10% Then 15%
cigarettes in most places in the world are already taxed 200% or more. airport cigarettes are like... 25$
"They" stated it because (as I see it) they want to propose that vaping supplies should be in the same pool as other prescription medicine (you want to quit smoking? Ask your doctor for prescription). Yes, progressive. I may say very progressive.
I should study US history in more detail. I feel I may enjoy it.
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