E2 Cartomizer Technical Discussion

[v1John]

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(One last thing to add, just don't get prefilleds; I have no clue why some people ordered prefilleds). If you do the math you see that you pay them to prefill it. They have wonderful prices on 100ml bottles like I got, and no leaking problems, beause I just get them blank and order some bottles as needed. Oh, and don't disturb the inner cap, but that's been mentioned already too.

 

[zoiDman]

Hey zoiDman,
I respect your opinion as well as v1John's, myself I like them despite their issues, even the original 1's I have.

I don't want to compare apples to oranges so all I will say is that at least with these I have found what works best for me and I am no longer fiddling constantly with my stuff to try to get it to work better, get better flavor, etc.
Are they a out of the box solution? not quite yet, but closer so yes they are potentially better.

Are they better than the rest of the stuff I have? Yes, with a small amount of effort they are better than the atomizers I used and the other cartomizers I have tried, in fact I have used these exclusively since I first got them.

just my for what it is worth

All the best,
wing.

I can agree with most of what you say.

Doing a PTB or similar mod is a matter of choice. These E2 cartos perform well enough without them so if a person doesn't want to mod them, that's ok.

The leaking, I hope is under control, because it Killed one of my auto batteries.

The dented threads which have the potential to ruin any battery I also hope has been addressed.

So if all of these issues are gone, I have no problem with these cartos what so ever. They do what my regular cartos do, only better.

But what is really a concern with me is why some cartos come from the manufacture with a bad taste? What is causing the
bad taste? And just how healthy is it to "vape thru it" as I have heard some members say they do?

If this had been a one-time issue on the E2 rev"1" cartos I would have still been concerned but relieved that it was resolved. But it Isn't a one-time issue. It is a reoccuring issue.

I have issues with any company that can not get to the root problem with something like this and then not fix it.

Is the cause Lubricant used to assist the seals going in?

Is it poor quality or cantaminated wick material?

Is it excess flux from the sodering of the atomizer wire?

If people are going to put what ever causes this bad taste into their lungs I would hope that they would at least question what it is. And this Litany of the next ones won't have it is getting old fast.

So from my perspective, these cartos have a Major problem because some come with SOMETHING that cause a Very Nasty taste in them.

Remove that from the equation and I'll jump on the E2 bandwagon. Even if they leak and don't wick well.

 

[WiηgC¤mmαηdεя]

Had a look at my cartomizers last night and put some thought into some of the findings of what I have come to think of as the E2 Beta group.
With that in mind I took a new pack and removed the plugs, checked and reshaped any threads that were squashed(2 in this pack) and then boiled for 10 min.

Then I drained and put them into a bread pan in the oven for 20 min @ 220 degrees to dry them out.

--started doing this when cleaning used ones to shorten the dry-burn time after boiling them, then dry-burn, blow and brush off the ash or rinse under hot water.

To get the inner plug back in place I bevel the inside of the plug a small amount with a Cuticle Trimmer Remover, others have done this to the outside of the inner plug.

I have a dead 510 that I removed the battery from the casing that I screw the carto onto when inserting the plug so that I don't accidentally push the post out to far.

It was observed that some cartos wicked well with the inner plug undisturbed but wicked horribly once cleaned and the inner plug reinserted so with that in mind I gently lifted up on the sides of the plugs by the slots to increase the gap between the wick and the bottom of the ring part of the plug. If I get excessive leaking I put the middle O ring back in with its air-hole opened up more using the cuticle trimmer, and if necessary push the inner plug in by a small amount to close up the gap slightly.

This is working the best for me right now without playing with PTB or cutting the wicks out - although that does work awesome.

Once the taste starts to go "off" I will start a fresh/cleaned carto and put the used one in the to be cleaned bin, and when I am down to one in use will clean them and am ready to start over.

All the best,
Wing.

 

[badkolo]

whatever they did to the wick to clean has improved wicking some, but it still needs ot be cleaned further and while i can live with ok wicking since its so easy to fix with ptb I cant live with a leaking carto, people need to carry these things around and use it in more places then just their desk, so the leak must be addressed. the samples i recieved wqhich i sent to everyone today dont seem to leak but thats form a small test sample so oyu guys will have to report on that, so far they hold up but the primer ruins the initial experience until its burnt off or cleaned then burnt off.

at the right ohm matching the right voltage they wick fine on thier own, but once you go back to back vaping they need help of the ptb. They seem to perform better without the inner plug or when the inner plug has a bigger center hole, that should be addressed as well since its directly linked to how it wicks as well.

 

[zoiDman]

Had a look at my cartomizers last night and put some thought into some of the findings of what I have come to think of as the E2 Beta group.
With that in mind I took a new pack and removed the plugs, checked and reshaped any threads that were squashed(2 in this pack) and then boiled for 10 min.

Then I drained and put them into a bread pan in the oven for 20 min @ 220 degrees to dry them out.

--started doing this when cleaning used ones to shorten the dry-burn time after boiling them, then dry-burn, blow and brush off the ash or rinse under hot water.

To get the inner plug back in place I bevel the inside of the plug a small amount with a Cuticle Trimmer Remover, others have done this to the outside of the inner plug.

I have a dead 510 that I removed the battery from the casing that I screw the carto onto when inserting the plug so that I don't accidentally push the post out to far.

It was observed that some cartos wicked well with the inner plug undisturbed but wicked horribly once cleaned and the inner plug reinserted so with that in mind I gently lifted up on the sides of the plugs by the slots to increase the gap between the wick and the bottom of the ring part of the plug. If I get excessive leaking I put the middle O ring back in with its air-hole opened up more using the cuticle trimmer, and if necessary push the inner plug in by a small amount to close up the gap slightly.

This is working the best for me right now without playing with PTB or cutting the wicks out - although that does work awesome.

Once the taste starts to go "off" I will start a fresh/cleaned carto and put the used one in the to be cleaned bin, and when I am down to one in use will clean them and am ready to start over.

All the best,
Wing.

Just sit back and look at what you say you go thru to use these cartos. Do you think the average vaper will or wants to do all this?

Remember, we are the Heavy Hitters who will take on any mod, chase threads, dremel this or shave that. Most people who use cartos want to screw on a carto and start vaping.

So yeah, these are good cartos. But if the only people who will buy them twice are people like us, isn’t that really going to kill a companies profits?

Start making cartos that don’t taste like gym socks the first time you use them and don’t need to be reworked and these cartos will take over the Entire carto market.

 

[badkolo]

Bingo!!!!!

yes we can mod but the masses shouldnt have to go through hell to get them to work

if they fix everything but the only issue is that it doesnt wick super fast for back to back vaping, then i can say deal with it, its better then everything else out there so if all thats needed is a little ptb to make them a moster then so be it, but you cant have that issue plus leaking plus inner plug issues.

 

[BanjoMan]

I know everyone's methods are a little different, and maybe the cartos we're getting are all a little different, but if you haven't tried it exactly like I do it will you please try it just once? If after that you still want to do it your way I promise I won't bug you anymore.

1. Open your carto and remove the filler ring (put it aside, you'll never need it again).
2. Rinse out the carto with hot water.
3. Dry burn the crap out of it until it stops smoking.
4. Place two pieces of PTB in it exactly as I described in a previous post.
5. Drip fill it from your favorite bottle of tasty juice.
6. Take the middle ring and place it up against the cup flat side down.
7. Reinsert the mouthpiece (or your favorite drip-tip)
8. Vape yourself silly.

Yes it's a few steps, but once you've set it up the maintenance is very simple. You just remove the mouthpiece and middle ring, rinse and dry burn, and fill it up again.

Ok, I'm done preaching... for now.

 

[Lazerrred]

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The R3 ones I just got today are all wet, they leaked inside their packaging. The labels are cheap, the edge on all of them is separating and lifting off the carto. And then there is the silicon O ring on the cup. I already wasted a carto trying to get that thing back in place, I pushed too hard after fiddling with it for awhile and popped it out the bottom. At least they don't have a primer flavor to them, so that's nice.

Just received mine today. I assume they are E2-V3 ? No apparent primer, labels seem fine, no middle ring but with a deeper soft mouthpiece. So far by just a quick observation, fill and vaping great. So far, so good.

 

[BanjoMan]

Bingo!!!!!

yes we can mod but the masses shouldnt have to go through hell to get them to work

if they fix everything but the only issue is that it doesnt wick super fast for back to back vaping, then i can say deal with it, its better then everything else out there so if all thats needed is a little ptb to make them a moster then so be it, but you cant have that issue plus leaking plus inner plug issues.

bad I agree with you that the masses shouldn't have to "go through hell" to get them to work. That's why we're here!

You shouldn't have to stuff a cart with blue foam or tea bags either, but plenty of people here do, and working with these isn't that much more difficult. If they can spend time condom filling their cartos and slinging them over their heads like a crazy person to squeeze in a little more juice, they can handle this.

 

[Turbo]

No apparent primer, labels seem fine, no middle ring but with a deeper soft mouthpiece.

Almost sounds like r2; deep mouthpiece, no middle ring. Is the filler ring hard plastic?

 

[WiηgC¤mmαηdεя]

Just sit back and look at what you say you go thru to use these cartos. Do you think the average vaper will or wants to do all this?

Remember, we are the Heavy Hitters who will take on any mod, chase threads, dremel this or shave that. Most people who use cartos want to screw on a carto and start vaping.

So yeah, these are good cartos. But if the only people who will buy them twice are people like us, isn’t that really going to kill a companies profits?

Start making cartos that don’t taste like gym socks the first time you use them and don’t need to be reworked and these cartos will take over the Entire carto market.

I agree, which is why I stated earlier that as they are they are not quite ready as a out of the box solution for the average user.
Hopefully by the time I run low of the ones I have now and need to reorder they will be ready for prime-time.
(gave away half of my originals plus some of the new ones to interested parties here in the Canada AND am buying a whack of M401 E2(ceramic) cartos from a member so should still be good till sometime next year LOL)

If I didn't know about the Forum and the wealth of knowledge and smart people that like to tinker with ideas to get a better vape I would have given up long ago from funky atomizers and leaky carts. Its the ideas that in the end will give the average person the ability to pick up a personal vaporizer and have the least frustration in going from cigs to vaping.

All the best,
wing.

 

[badkolo]

well yes banjo your right too, if they can go through hell with filling old cartos and condom methods and removing the fill or using a atomizer and dripping every few minutes or the leaking or popping that occurs then adding ptb to the e2 shouldnt be scoffed at when they are already modding everything else.

but at the same time the e2 cant have 3 issues and think thats gonna fly.

 

[BanjoMan]

well yes banjo your right too, if they can go through hell with filling old cartos and condom methods and removing the fill or using a atomizer and dripping every few minutes or the leaking or popping that occurs then adding ptb to the e2 shouldnt be scoffed at when they are already modding everything else.

but at the same time the e2 cant have 3 issues and think thats gonna fly.

Yeah you're right. *sigh*

I guess I'm just going to go use mine and be happy. I want other people to like them too but I guess they're going to have to get there on their own... or not.

It just pisses me off that everyone isn't getting the most out of these. They "should" work out of the box, but they "do" work if you're willing to spend a little time with them. They should have named these things "Harleys", because when they're not broken they run damn good.

 

[chrizzle]

but at the same time the e2 cant have 3 issues and think thats gonna fly.

+1
I've been a passive follower of what has been going on with these cartos for quite some time and I can get past the wicking issue with a PTB mod. Seems easy enough compared to what I am going through with current cartos. But if they are still leaky, it's a no go for me. I'd like to be able to set my PV down for a while and come back to it without finding a puddle of juice under it.

 

[WiηgC¤mmαηdεя]

BanjoMan,
The C-E2 .... The Harley of cartomizers . I like it.
For use by the dedicated vaper.

 

[badkolo]

let me rephrase that, they dnt leak with the ptb mod, but if you dont use the ptb and remove the inner plug some leak, not all but some do.

the new ones i have now dont seem to leak with no inner plug when full but thats a small test sample.

when they work nothing compares but the issue is this, some have primer some dont, some leak some dont, some have dented connectors some dont, some where delivered in proper ohms some wherent, that all needs to be addressed.

Now im happy becuase i can mod these in 1 minute flat and im good to go until i need ot clean them days later.
but i dont want to think about just me becuase i can only buy so many.lol the masses is who need to be reached with a new cartomizer, these things outperform all others but you cant reach the masses when we dont know what they are getting, some good some bad, some need modding some dont and so on.

i want to see more consistancy all aorund and i want to see the issues addressed, its about the future and not about today, what happens if the fda approves e-cigs, then what, you cant have a product that works at random or else soemone else will eat your market with a better product but this company was first with this design and the design works, now fix the issues so we can move on.

Im never going back to regualr cartos or atomizers, these do the trick that they dont and with a little modding they are incredible but I will keep repeating that they need to be fixed .

 

[BanjoMan]

BanjoMan,
The C-E2 .... The Harley of cartomizers . I like it.
For use by the dedicated vaper.

"Carto-Davidson"?
"Harley-Cartomizer"?

I'm gonna need a louder exhaust.

 

[debb]

I know everyone's methods are a little different, and maybe the cartos we're getting are all a little different, but if you haven't tried it exactly like I do it will you please try it just once? If after that you still want to do it your way I promise I won't bug you anymore.

1. Open your carto and remove the filler ring (put it aside, you'll never need it again).
2. Rinse out the carto with hot water.
3. Dry burn the crap out of it until it stops smoking.
4. Place two pieces of PTB in it exactly as I described in a previous post.
5. Drip fill it from your favorite bottle of tasty juice.
6. Take the middle ring and place it up against the cup flat side down.
7. Reinsert the mouthpiece (or your favorite drip-tip)
8. Vape yourself silly.

Yes it's a few steps, but once you've set it up the maintenance is very simple. You just remove the mouthpiece and middle ring, rinse and dry burn, and fill it up again.

Ok, I'm done preaching... for now.

can you tell me where to find the ptb directions ..in #4..I have looked and can't find it....I will book mark it....need to look at it again....

 

[badkolo]

lets see who wants to step up to the plate, who is willing to go to china to the factory and get these things donme right, ill send you there.

there will be a bamboo cane stick waiting in your room, you use that to beat the crap out of anyone who doesnt listen on the production line. usually a crack to the back of the knee sets them straight.
and no im not joking.

 

[badkolo]

can you tell me where to find the ptb directions ..in #4..I have looked and can't find it....I will book mark it....need to look at it again....

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the video is in my link, just dont cut the wicks and you got banjos mod.

http://www.youtube.com/user/DJbizzum?feature=mhum#p/u/2/7oLicfK7_b0