Easy to use PG free flavoring?
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Absolutely it exist, Natures Flavorings Organic line of flavorings and NO PG are excellent, I use them to DIY a lot and really like this company's flavorings !
Available here = www ( Dot) naturesflavors (Dot) ( Com) /index.php/flavors.html?cat=66&p=4
Look under the Coffey & Tea Section !
Quote from N/F below =
Ingredients: Organic Flavors, Vegetable Glycerin, and Organic Ethyl Alcohol.
The processes for making organic flavors are much the same as for making natural flavors. The ingredients are organic rather than just natural. You start by using only certified organic ingredients when available and when not you may use naturals provided they fit with in the definition of natural and only comprise less than 5% of the total amount when calling it 95% organic. When calling it 100% organic you must use only certified organic ingredients and nothing else.
Nature's Flavours carries both 95% and 100% certified organic flavors. It is our goal to produce only 100% organic flavor concentrates and extracts as the ingredients become available. In many instances we produce our own organic ingredients to satisfy our strict quality control requirements. Because the industry is still very young the technology's to make these ingredients are still evolving. The only solvents that we use in the development of organic and natural flavors are filtered RO water and organic alcohol. If we can’t extract the ingredients through these methods then we don't do it.
Steam distillation is another method we employee. Fortunately this is in most cases the only methods needed to manufacture these unique flavor concentrates and extracts. A simple and common process for making vanilla extract is to take organic vanilla beans and grind them to a pulp then allow them to soak and extract in an organic alcohol/water mixture for a period of time sometimes for up to several months. Normally for a standard organic vanilla extract you would extract for a period of not less than fourteen days. That's how long Nature's Flavours allows its organic vanilla extract to age and extract. This method is common for our citrus and other fruit flavor extracts as well. There are usually some filtering and clarifying techniques that follow the extraction process before being bottled or packaged.
There are no chemical residues because there are no chemical solvents used. Many of the organic flavoring ingredients are derived this way first before being incorporated in to water based or oil based organic flavor concentrate. To make the organic flavor concentrates water soluble you must emulsify the oils that were derived and separated from the extraction process or steam distilling and that usually involves using an organic gum or starch and under high pressure and shearing. This process forces the oils and gum's to be broken into very small particles and cling to one another with out reforming into there basic building blocks again. The entire process is safe and effective for producing the finest organic flavor oils, flavor concentrates, and flavor extracts. Nature's Flavours has pioneered many of these methods for producing these organic products. We are proud of our flavorings, spices, coffees, and all our organic products. We hope they bring you much enjoyment and satisfaction.
Available here = www ( Dot) naturesflavors (Dot) ( Com) /index.php/flavors.html?cat=66&p=4
Look under the Coffey & Tea Section !
Quote from N/F below =
Ingredients: Organic Flavors, Vegetable Glycerin, and Organic Ethyl Alcohol.
The processes for making organic flavors are much the same as for making natural flavors. The ingredients are organic rather than just natural. You start by using only certified organic ingredients when available and when not you may use naturals provided they fit with in the definition of natural and only comprise less than 5% of the total amount when calling it 95% organic. When calling it 100% organic you must use only certified organic ingredients and nothing else.
Nature's Flavours carries both 95% and 100% certified organic flavors. It is our goal to produce only 100% organic flavor concentrates and extracts as the ingredients become available. In many instances we produce our own organic ingredients to satisfy our strict quality control requirements. Because the industry is still very young the technology's to make these ingredients are still evolving. The only solvents that we use in the development of organic and natural flavors are filtered RO water and organic alcohol. If we can’t extract the ingredients through these methods then we don't do it.
Steam distillation is another method we employee. Fortunately this is in most cases the only methods needed to manufacture these unique flavor concentrates and extracts. A simple and common process for making vanilla extract is to take organic vanilla beans and grind them to a pulp then allow them to soak and extract in an organic alcohol/water mixture for a period of time sometimes for up to several months. Normally for a standard organic vanilla extract you would extract for a period of not less than fourteen days. That's how long Nature's Flavours allows its organic vanilla extract to age and extract. This method is common for our citrus and other fruit flavor extracts as well. There are usually some filtering and clarifying techniques that follow the extraction process before being bottled or packaged.
There are no chemical residues because there are no chemical solvents used. Many of the organic flavoring ingredients are derived this way first before being incorporated in to water based or oil based organic flavor concentrate. To make the organic flavor concentrates water soluble you must emulsify the oils that were derived and separated from the extraction process or steam distilling and that usually involves using an organic gum or starch and under high pressure and shearing. This process forces the oils and gum's to be broken into very small particles and cling to one another with out reforming into there basic building blocks again. The entire process is safe and effective for producing the finest organic flavor oils, flavor concentrates, and flavor extracts. Nature's Flavours has pioneered many of these methods for producing these organic products. We are proud of our flavorings, spices, coffees, and all our organic products. We hope they bring you much enjoyment and satisfaction.
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Thanks, but won't natural and organic flavoring clog attys?
Edit: Kind of pricey. I believe Vaperite resells these flavors at a much more manageable price.
Edit: Kind of pricey. I believe Vaperite resells these flavors at a much more manageable price.
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Absolutely not, In fact quite the oposite considering it is alcohol based if anything it will do the complete oposite from cloging an Atty ! doesnt clog Atty's at all, not one bit, vaperite wouldn't be using them as well as many other companies if that where so. The question asked was about Easy to Use PG FREE flavorings ! These are it Caged, and there dam good. If you really think about it and you get 1oz which is 30ml's of a flavoring concentrate you can make a whole lot of juice from 30ml's of concentrate, or there extract too.
As far as $ Price, I dont believe Vaperite sells 30mls, 1oz for $12 bucs either. you may want to check that !! These Extracts and concentrates are some dam good stuff too. just my 2c sorry if it didnt answer the Topics question but I think it did, they are PG FREE and work extremely well, though taste is very subjective and it also boils down to the person making the juice and there knowledge of mixing and how too's of DIY most of all.
Good point about the sizes. I completely misread that so thanks for setting me straight (seriously, I'm really happy now since it looks like I can save a bundle of cash).
As for clogging, I've had some issues with Vaperite 70/30 organic juices clogging Ego T (type B LR) attys. I also had an issue with another atty, but that could very easily be my lack of experience with dripping. I do love the taste of Vaperite juices though.
Think these flavorings will work well with Good Prophets 100% VG with the consistency of PG?
As for clogging, I've had some issues with Vaperite 70/30 organic juices clogging Ego T (type B LR) attys. I also had an issue with another atty, but that could very easily be my lack of experience with dripping. I do love the taste of Vaperite juices though.
Think these flavorings will work well with Good Prophets 100% VG with the consistency of PG?
mwa102464, there are so many varieties, concentrates, extracts for clear, coffee and tea system. The concentrates say they have some kind of acacia gum, the coffee and tea systems contain VG, some of the extracts have vg, but some just have alky and flavor. I have gone to their site several times and just never ordered because of other things I have read on this forum. Mainly that the flavors are very weak. But I did order from Todd, and other vendors who say their juices are organic must be using NF because for the life of me I can not find another line of organics that will sell retail to the public from their website. Unless it's a few organics from Watkins or a few others that only have 5 flavors.
But if you have used either the extracts or the coffee & tea or the concentrates with the gum stuff, what variety do you think works best for our mixing purposes? And are their flavors innately sweet or would they need a lot of sweetner? Thanks!
But if you have used either the extracts or the coffee & tea or the concentrates with the gum stuff, what variety do you think works best for our mixing purposes? And are their flavors innately sweet or would they need a lot of sweetner? Thanks!
If you look at Vaperite's website, you will see he recommends 20% flavoring for his DIY. Personally, I find Vaperite is some of the best juice you can buy and the flavors are pretty much the same thing that you can find on Nature's Flavorings web site.
I don't really understand your other concerns. It's the coffee and tea systems that are recommended for vaping (in fact, if you search for vaping on the site, a bunch of coffee and tea system flavors pop up).
Acacia gum is used in many foods and has been for centuries. The fact that it has other uses should not concern you as there are many food items that have many purposes.
If you look at Vaperite's website, you will see he recommends 20% flavoring for his DIY. Personally, I find Vaperite is some of the best juice you can buy and the flavors are pretty much the same thing that you can find on Nature's Flavorings web site.
Yes, but if you read further you will see that Todd says his flavors contain no VG or PG so he is not using the coffee & tea systems if that is true.I'm talking about the 6ml bottles of just flavors, not the pre-mixed juices.
I don't really understand your other concerns. It's the coffee and tea systems that are recommended for vaping (in fact, if you search for vaping on the site, a bunch of coffee and tea system flavors pop up).
See above, all the coffee and tea system flavors have VG as base, which contradicts what Todd of Vaperite says on his website so he must be using either some of the extracts or concentrates....I'm just asking which of the varieties is best to use.
Acacia gum is used in many foods and has been for centuries. The fact that it has other uses should not concern you as there are many food items that have many purposes.
Why should it not concern me? Really? If I wanted to use the concentrates instead of the coffee and tea systems which contain alky, I'd want to know if the acacia gum would clog my cartomizers....or be harmful to vape otherwise.
Yes, but if you read further you will see that Todd says his flavors contain no VG or PG so he is not using the coffee & tea systems if that is true.I'm talking about the 6ml bottles of just flavors, not the pre-mixed juices.
I don't really understand your other concerns. It's the coffee and tea systems that are recommended for vaping (in fact, if you search for vaping on the site, a bunch of coffee and tea system flavors pop up).
See above, all the coffee and tea system flavors have VG as base, which contradicts what Todd of Vaperite says on his website so he must be using either some of the extracts or concentrates....I'm just asking which of the varieties is best to use.
Acacia gum is used in many foods and has been for centuries. The fact that it has other uses should not concern you as there are many food items that have many purposes.
Why should it not concern me? Really? If I wanted to use the concentrates instead of the coffee and tea systems which contain alky, I'd want to know if the acacia gum would clog my cartomizers....or be harmful to vape otherwise.
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For pg free I use the natures flavors c&t already mentioned, and faeries finest had some decent pg free mint varieties.
Check out tpa tobacco blend alc for a workable tobacco base. For menthol, either tpa or voidmist menthol liquid work well (i but voidmist on their frequent 50% off sales, easier than working with the crystals).
Check out tpa tobacco blend alc for a workable tobacco base. For menthol, either tpa or voidmist menthol liquid work well (i but voidmist on their frequent 50% off sales, easier than working with the crystals).
I guess he's got contradictory statements then. In other parts of his site, he says his juice contains organic VG based flavors. I'm guessing he's just trying to convey that you need to add VG or PG and nicotine to his DIY flavoring.
I can understand the concern about clogging your attys, but natural flavors can do that. Acacia gum is hardened sap from Acacia trees.
I buy and use from the coffee & Tea section joanr, there concentrates as well as there extracts, I find them to be very good and use them often for my DIY mixing. They are Alcohol based !
Product Description
The processes for making organic flavors are much the same as for making natural flavors. The ingredients are organic rather than just natural. You start by using only certified organic ingredients when available and when not you may use naturals provided they fit with in the definition of natural and only comprise less than 5% of the total amount when calling it 95% organic. When calling it 100% organic you must use only certified organic ingredients and nothing else.
Natures Flavours carries both 95% and 100% certified organic flavors. It is our goal to produce only 100% organic flavor concentrates and extracts as the ingredients become available. In many instances we produce our own organic ingredients to satisfy our strict quality control requirements. Because the industry is still very young the technology's to make these ingredients are still evolving. The only solvents that we use in the development of organic and natural flavors are filtered RO water and organic alcohol. If we can’t extract the ingredients thru these methods then we don't do it.
Steam distillation is another method we employee. Fortunately this is in most cases the only methods needed to manufacture these unique flavor concentrates and extracts. A simple and common process for making vanilla extract is to take organic vanilla beans and grind them to a pulp then allow them to soak and extract in an organic alcohol/water mixture for a period of time sometimes for up to several months. Normally for a standard organic vanilla extract you would extract for a period of not less than fourteen days. That's how long Natures Flavours allows its organic vanilla extract to age and extract. This method is common for our citrus and other fruit flavor extracts as well. There are usually some filtering and clarifying techniques that follow the extraction process before being bottled or packaged.
There are no chemical residues because there are no chemical solvents used. Many of the organic flavoring ingredients are derived this way first before being incorporated in to water based or oil based organic flavor concentrate. To make the organic flavor concentrates water soluble you must emulsify the oils that were derived and separated from the extraction process or steam distilling and that usually involves using an organic gum or starch and under high pressure and shearing. This process forces the oils and gums to be broken into very small particles and cling to one another with out reforming into there basic building blocks again. The entire process is safe and effective for producing the finest organic flavor oils, flavor concentrates, and flavor extracts. Natures Flavours has pioneered many of these methods for producing these organic products. We are proud of our flavorings, spices, coffees, and all our organic products. We hope they bring you much enjoyment and satisfaction.
"Note that No where does it say VG ! It says = Filtered Water & Alcohol"
The processes for making organic flavors are much the same as for making natural flavors. The ingredients are organic rather than just natural. You start by using only certified organic ingredients when available and when not you may use naturals provided they fit with in the definition of natural and only comprise less than 5% of the total amount when calling it 95% organic. When calling it 100% organic you must use only certified organic ingredients and nothing else.
Natures Flavours carries both 95% and 100% certified organic flavors. It is our goal to produce only 100% organic flavor concentrates and extracts as the ingredients become available. In many instances we produce our own organic ingredients to satisfy our strict quality control requirements. Because the industry is still very young the technology's to make these ingredients are still evolving. The only solvents that we use in the development of organic and natural flavors are filtered RO water and organic alcohol. If we can’t extract the ingredients thru these methods then we don't do it.
Steam distillation is another method we employee. Fortunately this is in most cases the only methods needed to manufacture these unique flavor concentrates and extracts. A simple and common process for making vanilla extract is to take organic vanilla beans and grind them to a pulp then allow them to soak and extract in an organic alcohol/water mixture for a period of time sometimes for up to several months. Normally for a standard organic vanilla extract you would extract for a period of not less than fourteen days. That's how long Natures Flavours allows its organic vanilla extract to age and extract. This method is common for our citrus and other fruit flavor extracts as well. There are usually some filtering and clarifying techniques that follow the extraction process before being bottled or packaged.
There are no chemical residues because there are no chemical solvents used. Many of the organic flavoring ingredients are derived this way first before being incorporated in to water based or oil based organic flavor concentrate. To make the organic flavor concentrates water soluble you must emulsify the oils that were derived and separated from the extraction process or steam distilling and that usually involves using an organic gum or starch and under high pressure and shearing. This process forces the oils and gums to be broken into very small particles and cling to one another with out reforming into there basic building blocks again. The entire process is safe and effective for producing the finest organic flavor oils, flavor concentrates, and flavor extracts. Natures Flavours has pioneered many of these methods for producing these organic products. We are proud of our flavorings, spices, coffees, and all our organic products. We hope they bring you much enjoyment and satisfaction.
"Note that No where does it say VG ! It says = Filtered Water & Alcohol"
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Look at the flavor descriptions when you go to buy them...
Like our Flavor Extracts they are set in an alcohol base, in addition, these Organic Flavoring Systems also include a vegetable glycerin component to help the flavors permeate the coffee beans and/or tea leaves. It will e vapor ate out of the beans or herbs usually with in the first 24 hours you will smell a little alcohol when you first open the sealed container, any remaining alcohol will burn off immediately when you brew the coffee or tea. These flavors have no nutritional value as used in this application are calorie, carb, and sugar free. There is no fat. Enjoy. Ingredients: Organic Flavors, Vegetable Glycerin, and Organic Ethyl Alcohol.
Looks like vg in the base to me, and alchohol. I'm not talking about how they process the flavors, but the base they sell them in.
Like our Flavor Extracts they are set in an alcohol base, in addition, these Organic Flavoring Systems also include a vegetable glycerin component to help the flavors permeate the coffee beans and/or tea leaves. It will e vapor ate out of the beans or herbs usually with in the first 24 hours you will smell a little alcohol when you first open the sealed container, any remaining alcohol will burn off immediately when you brew the coffee or tea. These flavors have no nutritional value as used in this application are calorie, carb, and sugar free. There is no fat. Enjoy. Ingredients: Organic Flavors, Vegetable Glycerin, and Organic Ethyl Alcohol.
Looks like vg in the base to me, and alchohol. I'm not talking about how they process the flavors, but the base they sell them in.
Joanr,, I dont see where this is can you link this please for me,,,,, I also wonder if there is a difference in the concentrates compared to buying just the Extracts that they offer which I just purchased. I spoke to them a while ago on the phone and asked them to make me an all VG organic concentrate and they said there is no way they could do that and had to use alcohol. So I'm a bit confused what the difference is between the concentrates and the Extracts now and how they are different, I look forward to receiving my next order which has concentrates & Extracts to see the difference between the two.
Either way it is PG FREE
Some other good reads = http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-organic-pg-free-flavor-suppliers-list-2.html
Either way it is PG FREE
Some other good reads = http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-organic-pg-free-flavor-suppliers-list-2.html
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Yes, this is exactly what I was trying to find out myself! They have changed their website around and also have affiliates like Newport Flavors. The websites are almost identical. They also no longer list all the ingredients under each flavor anymore. I'll try to link you to where I found the above. OK, look at the bottom of the long description on this page:
Organic Coffee and Tea Flavoring Systems
This is for their Coffee and Tea Systems, the ingredients change for the concentrates and the extracts and also change according to the particular flavors. Some have vg some don't, some have alky, some don't. It just depends. And now they are not listing every flavor's ingredients when you click on the flavor link. I like their old site better, more informative. But it does appear that all the concentrates have the acacia gum in the base. The extracts are a mixed bag of base ingredients depending on the flavor.
Organic Coffee and Tea Flavoring Systems
This is for their Coffee and Tea Systems, the ingredients change for the concentrates and the extracts and also change according to the particular flavors. Some have vg some don't, some have alky, some don't. It just depends. And now they are not listing every flavor's ingredients when you click on the flavor link. I like their old site better, more informative. But it does appear that all the concentrates have the acacia gum in the base. The extracts are a mixed bag of base ingredients depending on the flavor.
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I agree that the old site was better, however I'm not going to stop using them because I have been for quite a long time now and I cant find a better source for flavorings that are non PG and I've been very happy with Natures Flavors. I do use some other flavorings as well but find NF to be very good for the ones I use. I dont think they list everything because the company statement says what goes into 95%-100% flavorings so that covers the bases in my opinion and VG is fine with me that's for sure, as for the acacia gum the very little bit they use in them doesn't bother me nor does it seem to bother any of my Atty's/Carto's. Like I stated in my earlier post I have some of there extracts coming in my current order and I'm very curios how these will differ using them in my DIY compared to the concentrates, I would think they may be stronger then the concentrates therefore less % of flavoring may be needed in my mixing but only time will tell when I use them. NF is also going under other companies like Selecta and Newport and maybe others too, not sure why, may have something to do with trade laws and moving product through other countries.
I'm going to try them soon, when I use up some of these TPA and Capella flavors I ordered. I always prefer using organic anything to artificial. I was just confused what variety to order since they have the different types available. I have no problem with VG in the base, just didn't know about the gum. But if you say if doesn't clog the attys then maybe I'll order one of each type and see what's best for my DIY efforts. What flavors have you tried that you like the best from them?
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