Eden Mods Rose 3

[RabbiXX]

Yea I've heard why. I just think it's strange. A hex key I can't imagine is a very difficult or critical piece to manufacture, it's a very common tool. What I would believe is being sent the wrong size. But did they really gather all their hex keys so last minute, that it would have significantly impacted their launch to order (standard sized) hex keys from a different source?

Like I said, I find the whole thing strange. Just seems like a last minute consideration to me. They were trying VERY hard to minimize their costs this time around, so I see that as a very likely possibility.

Sometimes it's just easier to take people at their word unless you have a reason not to trust them. I can't say I have ever had to source Allen wrenches before, especially in the UK. Do alot of manufacturers make them in the UK? They said they try to keep business local, so maybe that is making it harder? They have implied that they don't do business with China in one of the posts I read, and I'm sure it would be easier to source them there.

The thing is, you could probably straight up ask the owners for more details. They are responding to people's questions daily on their Facebook page. There is no reason to jump to our own conclusions. Who knows, they might even mail you one if you ask them. Personally, I like using Torx screwdrivers instead of Allen wrenches.

 

[Millah]

Wasn't trying to make a big deal out of it, or take a jab at Eden mods. Was just adding to the discussion you were having about attys lacking spares. This atty isn't lacking spares, it's lacking a tool necessary for it to function. Like I said, I have a hex key that fits, no problem here.

 

[RabbiXX]

Wasn't trying to make a big deal out of it, or take a jab at Eden mods. Was just adding to the discussion you were having about attys lacking spares. This atty isn't lacking spares, it's lacking a tool necessary for it to function. Like I said, I have a hex key that fits, no problem here.

It's cool, and I think I understand what you mean. It is a simple thing, and this atty cost $175.00 freaking dollars(pounds, dollaroos, etc). You can buy any $25 atty, and it will have spares and every tool that is required. They were probably so committed to releasing the atty at Vapefest in the UK, and they just didn't have the time to fix the problem.

We are also not exactly dealing with normal people here either. Normal people would have their stuff made in China to maximize profits, and because its just easier to get things done quickly that way. These are people that wanted their stuff made locally, and in the UK no less. They are eccentrics. They probably didn't even have a plan B. This what you get for not having a plan B

 

[ernieball]

so just had a play with mine for the first time. The bottom of the tank assembly was virtually impossible to unscrew. Had to heat/cool etc with atty clamps to get it off. Second, I seem to be missing an allen key/hex. Is it supposed to have one??

Some sadly didn't come with hex keys and people started complaining about this. I think they are rectifying the problem now, but sadly, tons of rtas have already been sent off! And if someone doesn't have a hex key laying around from previous mods(most low end from the influx of velocity posts in all atties being made) , they should really get in touch with the company to receive one. It stinks if you can't work with an especially pricey rta that just came to your doorstep that you've been looking forward to using. Well, regardless of all that, I think I'll still be purchasing one soon. Eden mods does some excellent craftsmanship to each and every rta, which I can't say about most modders.

 

[ernieball]

@TheotherSteveS I feel your pain with the hurricane. I do love mine, yet hate how the airflow will get stuck once in a blue moon and only extremely heavy lubrication will fix it. The two I have came with one spare o-ring each for the base. The first one hasn't failed me yet on any level except airflow, so I count my blessings with some of this high end gear. Quick question, did yours come with any specific serial number on the bottom? Just out of curiosity. Though it killed the cat.

 

[snork]

I have determined that for me it's much quicker and more efficient to fill the Rose3 like previous Roses since I'm so expert at it.

 

[mindriot]

It's cool, and I think I understand what you mean. It is a simple thing, and this atty cost $175.00 freaking dollars(pounds, dollaroos, etc). You can buy any $25 atty, and it will have spares and every tool that is required. They were probably so committed to releasing the atty at Vapefest in the UK, and they just didn't have the time to fix the problem.

It is something that did surprise and slightly annoy me as well when I first opened up the box. It isn't a huge deal in a lot of ways but it would be extremely annoying to receive the product and not happen to have the right size of key laying around so not be able to use it. I'm glad they are sorting out the issue.

I don't know for sure but I'm inclined to think that part of their commitment to the Vapefest launch would be so they could launch before the FDA deadlines. They have had quite a few issues in the past with not being able to meet demand and I imagine they were prepared to compromise the inclusion of the tool at the last minute in order to meet this deadline and fulfil their promise to make sure people can actually get one. It would have been nice if they had mentioned the problem ahead of time so people who purchased the first batch would know that they would need to have or get a tool to go with it.

 

[mindriot]

certainly not a dealbreaker!! And it works so no problem. One question is why they dont include a couple of spare wires rather than making you have to wait for them to mail you one if it gets lost.

This! They have a spare for everything else in there, it is a pretty nice set of spares with that exception. It is so obvious that people are going to lose the things that they made a card to put in with it that probably cost more each than throwing 10s of spare spring wires into the pack. How could they have missed that? I'm pretty tempted to email them and get some sent out incase I lose mine so that I don't have to wait when it happens.

 

[TheotherSteveS]

@TheotherSteveS I feel your pain with the hurricane. I do love mine, yet hate how the airflow will get stuck once in a blue moon and only extremely heavy lubrication will fix it. The two I have came with one spare o-ring each for the base. The first one hasn't failed me yet on any level except airflow, so I count my blessings with some of this high end gear. Quick question, did yours come with any specific serial number on the bottom? Just out of curiosity. Though it killed the cat.

Memory may serve me badly here, but I had a v1.2 and I dont think there was a serial number anywhere on it. E-pheonix started adding in a few spares after so many people complained I think but I still think it's poor for such expensive devices. They are not alone and other major modders such as Mark Bugs have been guilty of the same in the past.

O a general build quality/reliability pont of view I guess I have been lucky that out of probably 50-odd high-end RTAs I have been through over the last few years, only the hurricane gave me any issues and even that was not such a big deal!

 

[Yonjuro]

Memory may serve me badly here, but I had a v1.2 and I dont think there was a serial number anywhere on it. E-pheonix started adding in a few spares after so many people complained I think but I still think it's poor for such expensive devices. They are not alone and other major modders such as Mark Bugs have been guilty of the same in the past.

O a general build quality/reliability pont of view I guess I have been lucky that out of probably 50-odd high-end RTAs I have been through over the last few years, only the hurricane gave me any issues and even that was not such a big deal!

I have the Hurricane 1.3 LE and it comes with 2 spare o-rings lol... not much of a goodies bag. I believe they also addressed the afc issue. It has been my no.1 atty, jury is still out as to whether the Rose 3 will usurp the throne in my house. Either way they are both very very good.

 

[ernieball]

Memory may serve me badly here, but I had a v1.2 and I dont think there was a serial number anywhere on it. E-pheonix started adding in a few spares after so many people complained I think but I still think it's poor for such expensive devices. They are not alone and other major modders such as Mark Bugs have been guilty of the same in the past.

O a general build quality/reliability pont of view I guess I have been lucky that out of probably 50-odd high-end RTAs I have been through over the last few years, only the hurricane gave me any issues and even that was not such a big deal!

Thanks. It's one of the only high end rtas I have that isn't serialized, nor does it have anything else on the bottom. Always made me wonder if they were clones.
If you were to choose either the rose3 or the kayfun v5, which would you go for, when just dealing with flavor? I have been accustomed to making .6 builds and pushing them to 32 watts, but I don't think the kayfun v5 is capable because of those inlets in the base. Any experience with this?

 

[TheotherSteveS]

Thanks. It's one of the only high end rtas I have that isn't serialized, nor does it have anything else on the bottom. Always made me wonder if they were clones.
If you were to choose either the rose3 or the kayfun v5, which would you go for, when just dealing with flavor? I have been accustomed to making .6 builds and pushing them to 32 watts, but I don't think the kayfun v5 is capable because of those inlets in the base. Any experience with this?

To be honest, i really like them both. As for punching the wattage, fully open I reckon the KF5 has enough AF to take that build, the Rose certainly does and with some to spare. Much more than that and I might worry a bit about wicking on the KF5 (is that what you meant?) . I only run in TC mode pretty much and havent tried any low kanthal builds in either. Maybe someone will chip in on that one!

 

[ernieball]

To be honest, i really like them both. As for punching the wattage, fully open I reckon the KF5 has enough AF to take that build, the Rose certainly does and with some to spare. Much more than that and I might worry a bit about wicking on the KF5 (is that what you meant?) . I only run in TC mode pretty much and havent tried any low kanthal builds in either. Maybe someone will chip in on that one!

Oh, well that sounds delightful. I'm still stuck between the two. The kf b5 is 75 bucks cheaper so that makes it all the more enticing, but I think if I bought it, I'd just yearn for some Eden quality product. Yep, that's what I meant. The rose3 looks like it has wicking ports as large as the hurricane when wide open, which sounds right up my alley. I just need to do some research on the kayfun to see if it can or can't do the same. Huh? Nothing but temp builds on it? I have yet to do any temp builds, but my friend told me that when using rtas, they actually do make the wick last a lot longer. I'm getting tired of getting destroyed rayon after a day and a half of use. Time to get some stainless steel!!

 

[mindriot]

Thanks. It's one of the only high end rtas I have that isn't serialized, nor does it have anything else on the bottom. Always made me wonder if they were clones.
If you were to choose either the rose3 or the kayfun v5, which would you go for, when just dealing with flavor? I have been accustomed to making .6 builds and pushing them to 32 watts, but I don't think the kayfun v5 is capable because of those inlets in the base. Any experience with this?

Like TheOtherSteveS a lot of the time I also go with TC builds however just to keep things simple while getting a feel for it I have put a few kanthal builds in the rose and just yesterday I put a kanthal build in the KF for my GF to try out. In there she has a 3x twisted 28g coming in at about 0.55 and she is running that at 30w with the airflow wide open, wicks no problem, tastes pretty amazing actually. Not sure how much further it could be pushed but for a kanthal single coil I normally like to be 0.4-0.6 with 30-35 or so watts and around there it seems to do quite well if you make sure the wicking is nice and lightly placed in the space.

As TheOtherSteveS already said you can get both more air and juice flow from the rose and can certainly push much more powerful builds than the KF. They are both excellent RTAs and both taste pretty awesome. I like the rose more for flavour and I like the rose more overall but the KF does have a few things that I prefer in terms of how a particular feature has been done and it is by no means a bad product.

 

[TheotherSteveS]

Oh, well that sounds delightful. I'm still stuck between the two. The kf b5 is 75 bucks cheaper so that makes it all the more enticing, but I think if I bought it, I'd just yearn for some Eden quality product. Yep, that's what I meant. The rose3 looks like it has wicking ports as large as the hurricane when wide open, which sounds right up my alley. I just need to do some research on the kayfun to see if it can or can't do the same. Huh? Nothing but temp builds on it? I have yet to do any temp builds, but my friend told me that when using rtas, they actually do make the wick last a lot longer. I'm getting tired of getting destroyed rayon after a day and a half of use. Time to get some stainless steel!!

By all means try SS but I would strongly recommend NiFe48..

 

[abiko]

I've got my Rose 3 and had it now for 5 days and I'm stunned. I've put my "benchmarking" setup in there and the flavor is really enjoyable. I'm looking forward for the new spring wire replacement they've announced yesterday, hopefully the AFC will be more stiffer and won't turn so easy.

Rose 3 is one of my go to atties now, other two I got in my rotation are the GP Heron and Spheroid.

 

[snork]

I've got my Rose 3 and had it now for 5 days and I'm stunned. I've put my "benchmarking" setup in there and the flavor is really enjoyable. I'm looking forward for the new spring wire replacement they've announced yesterday, hopefully the AFC will be more stiffer and won't turn so easy.

Rose 3 is one of my go to atties now, other two I got in my rotation are the GP Heron and Spheroid.

Please tell me more about the spring wire replacement, for example how will we get one, if they said.
Yes, the Rose3 is proving to be all that I'd expected it to be. It is excellent!

 

[mindriot]

Please tell me more about the spring wire replacement, for example how will we get one, if they said.
Yes, the Rose3 is proving to be all that I'd expected it to be. It is excellent!

They said on the FB group a few days ago that they are still working out some logistics. To quote part Lees post over there "We're just working out logistics, then you guys can buy some for the price of postage.".

 

[Stunned Guy]

They said on the FB group a few days ago that they are still working out some logistics. To quote part Lees post over there "We're just working out logistics, then you guys can buy some for the price of postage.".

Looking forward to that, since I've already lost mine

 

[mindriot]

Looking forward to that, since I've already lost mine

They will already send out the current ones if you have lost yours. You just need to drop them an email. There is talk that the newer one will be slightly longer as well to make it harder to come out and harder to lose as well as more resistance on the AFC. I'm not completely sure if they will actually be longer but they were at one point suggesting the probability that it would be while discussing it with people on the group.