Ejuice calculator (added quantity calculations)

[Getcusome]

Anybody used Juicy Drops or know if its safe?

 

[reverendg]

Hey scubatdan,

First off let me chime in with many thanks for the calculator.
I'm a newbie and have been studying your calculator all day to see if I could make my own juice "safely" using this tool. My only real quandry was what you base the mg./ml. ratio on. After much thought I figured that there must be an industry standard of w/v and sure enough I came across another thread that discussed just that (i believe it's the thread about testing nic levels. How fortuitous that I happened upon that thread. Please feel free to correct my assumption of the 10% rule. I'm no math genius, but formulations of the sort in the calculator have to have some weight/volume basis yes?

But I digress. I haven't read this entire thread yet, but quite a bit of it. and I think all of the suggestions are probably very good, I really can't say since I haven't really used it in the actual world yet.
But I do have a suggestion that may or may not have been posted yet.
With all of the thought and I'm sure hours upon hours or months I dunno, of work that you have put into this thing, my suggestion would be to put a "donation" link on it like they have on spybot s&d. I for one would definitely click it. I'm not rich , but I would be more than happy to start the hat passin with my own contribution.
I'm ex navy, and a scuba diver (I'm guessin from your handle you are too) and I salute you for your work sir.

 

[thebat1]

Ok I had to quit reading after like the 30th page.. Need sleep but wanted to ask where can I get the file to download ? evey time I tried any of the filesanywhere link I got a error?
thanks so much for the work involved in making this. Excellent idea.. just cant wait to see it..LOL

 

[Scubabatdan]

Ok I had to quit reading after like the 30th page.. Need sleep but wanted to ask where can I get the file to download ? evey time I tried any of the filesanywhere link I got a error?
thanks so much for the work involved in making this. Excellent idea.. just cant wait to see it..LOL

Download link is in my sig, if you are getting errors, then PM me your email addy and I will send it to you direct.
Dan

 

[Scubabatdan]

Hey scubatdan,

First off let me chime in with many thanks for the calculator.
I'm a newbie and have been studying your calculator all day to see if I could make my own juice "safely" using this tool. My only real quandry was what you base the mg./ml. ratio on. After much thought I figured that there must be an industry standard of w/v and sure enough I came across another thread that discussed just that (i believe it's the thread about testing nic levels. How fortuitous that I happened upon that thread. Please feel free to correct my assumption of the 10% rule. I'm no math genius, but formulations of the sort in the calculator have to have some weight/volume basis yes?

But I digress. I haven't read this entire thread yet, but quite a bit of it. and I think all of the suggestions are probably very good, I really can't say since I haven't really used it in the actual world yet.
But I do have a suggestion that may or may not have been posted yet.
With all of the thought and I'm sure hours upon hours or months I dunno, of work that you have put into this thing, my suggestion would be to put a "donation" link on it like they have on spybot s&d. I for one would definitely click it. I'm not rich , but I would be more than happy to start the hat passin with my own contribution.
I'm ex navy, and a scuba diver (I'm guessin from your handle you are too) and I salute you for your work sir.

I am actually retired Army, and rec scuba
Have never thought of a donation link, I suppose it would not be out of bounds since I am not requiring it or am charging for this calculator. I guess I will add it in v12 when I get done with it.
Thanks for the suggestion.
Dan

 

[thebat1]

Download link is in my sig, if you are getting errors, then PM me your email addy and I will send it to you direct.
Dan

Oh perfect If I could feel any STUPIDER..(LOL That a word??) Please let me know how!!!


I think I need a Mojito...

Thanks what a COOL tool and done so well...

Cheers

 

[Beanybopp1987]

Ok so I have already been warned about "spamming" from another member , but I was just trying to get up to 15 posts so that I would be able to post my question where it "needed" to be since you guys seem that you will be able to help me (plus I tried posting my question on the new member forum links where I thought it was most appropriate instead of just sticking it anywhere)....I hope that me trying to get up to 15 posts doesn't get me into trouble/kicked off. Esp since the thing for new members is stupid.

But anyway....to the question:

I get my e-juice from Ms.T's Bakery...

If I want to buy just flavoring and add nicotine to it would you recommend a bottle of low, med or high??? I'm at low now and want to work my way down to zero.

If I get low and mix it with flavor (say 10 drops of nicotine and 10 drops of flavor) wouldn't that put me at 7mg of nicotine (instead of 14mg/low) because I'm starting out with 14mg and cutting it in half with the flavoring???

So if that is the case, if I want lower than low...get a bottle of low nicotine to mix but if I want low (14mg) I would want to get a bottle of medium (28mg) so that when I add flavoring I can cut it in half to low (14mg)....right?

O and also...would adding plain nicotine cut down on the flavor??? I'm assuming it will, but just double checking just in case I'm wrong. I know that a lot of ppl are saying not to cut the flavoring more than in half because of losing flavor and throat hit. If adding nicotine won't cut the flavoring, would it be possible to add nicotine AND then cut it in half with VG?? Or is this adding too much to the flavoring and cut down both flavoring and nicotine???

Like I said before I don't want to just cut the e-juice since I want to get down to zero and not have to buy 2 bottles of the same flavoring....I want to try to buy the minimum as possible and still get the great experience I have been getting from vaping Ms.T's e-juices.

Sorry I just have so much to learn about e-juice and the e-juice calculator is so confusing not to mention it isn't able to answer some of my questions.

 

[lisabateman]

I am playing with your calculator (thank you) and noticed that you can't add a % of VG and get any results. I then wandered thru this thread and see you have to add it to the water field. Why is that? Is there a need to add water when adding VG?

 

[Scubabatdan]

I get my e-juice from Ms.T's Bakery...

If I want to buy just flavoring and add nicotine to it would you recommend a bottle of low, med or high??? I'm at low now and want to work my way down to zero.

I would recommend a High, here is why: you can calculate the amount of mg per ml based off the High, Med, or low. But High would allow you to make more at say 7mg.

If I get low and mix it with flavor (say 10 drops of nicotine and 10 drops of flavor) wouldn't that put me at 7mg of nicotine (instead of 14mg/low) because I'm starting out with 14mg and cutting it in half with the flavoring???

Yes, whenever you add to a nic based liquid you are reducing the amount of mg per ml.

So if that is the case, if I want lower than low...get a bottle of low nicotine to mix but if I want low (14mg) I would want to get a bottle of medium (28mg) so that when I add flavoring I can cut it in half to low (14mg)....right?

Correct so far

O and also...would adding plain nicotine cut down on the flavor??? I'm assuming it will, but just double checking just in case I'm wrong. I know that a lot of ppl are saying not to cut the flavoring more than in half because of losing flavor and throat hit. If adding nicotine won't cut the flavoring, would it be possible to add nicotine AND then cut it in half with VG?? Or is this adding too much to the flavoring and cut down both flavoring and nicotine???

Yes as you add nicotine or straight PG it will cut down the flavor.

Like I said before I don't want to just cut the e-juice since I want to get down to zero and not have to buy 2 bottles of the same flavoring....I want to try to buy the minimum as possible and still get the great experience I have been getting from vaping Ms.T's e-juices.

Ok so buy a small bottle of PG, Flavoring and Nicotine High and you are ready to DIY.

Sorry I just have so much to learn about e-juice and the e-juice calculator is so confusing not to mention it isn't able to answer some of my questions.

Sectoion 1 and 2 of the calculator is the most used. If you are using PG based liquids then use the PG side. Most people use 10% flavoring. Quick tutorial:

Enter the amount of mg’s of nicotine based liquid you are starting with in the first field in section one.

Then enter the amount in mg you want the finished product to be.

Next enter the amount in ml of finished juice you want to make.

Next add in the % of flavoring you want to use, 10% is a good starting place.

Now look in section two, it will tell you how much of each ingredient to use to make your specified amount.

Hope this helps.
Dan

 

[Beanybopp1987]

I get my e-juice from Ms.T's Bakery...

If I want to buy just flavoring and add nicotine to it would you recommend a bottle of low, med or high??? I'm at low now and want to work my way down to zero.

I would recommend a High, here is why: you can calculate the amount of mg per ml based off the High, Med, or low. But High would allow you to make more at say 7mg.

But if I get high nicotine to add to flavoring...would I be able to get all the way down to low or lower with that?? It doesn't seem possible to me without buying a whole bunch of flavoring....

Ok let me think here and you see if I'm right:

If I buy a 15ml bottle of high (30mg) that would mean every drop has....2mg of nicotine. So let's just say I take 30ml of flavoring and 15ml of nicotine that would take the nicotine down to 7.5ml of nicotine? If I get 10ml of flavoring then I would need 5ml of nicotine to make it 7.5 right?? If I go down to say 5 ml (to make it easy) then i would need 2.5ml of nicotine to make it 7.5 right??? (That's if my original math is correct)

If that is the case...I'm still testing out flavors and my husband is little bit higher ml of nicotine than I am so if we buy 6ml of flavoring I'm seeing that it's not really possible to get both nicotine levels with that much flavoring (or should I tell my husband to suck it up? LOL). Because I don't want to buy say a 15ml/10ml bottle of something and not like it....so would you recommend say low/med nicotine if I get only small bottles (6ml/10ml) to test with??? Or am I just thinking completely wrong??? Oh and would the calculation be the same if the nicotine had flavoring in it? Say like I have a bottle of zero nicotine flavoring and a bottle of med nicotine flavoring. I really don't want to go much higher than low at the moment...I'm trying to get down to zero in a month.

Sorry I'm being a bother....I just like it if I get conformation from someone who knows what they are talking about.



PS: My flavorings have PG and VG in them...not just PG so how would that work with the calculator?

 

[MacDiver]

I am playing with your calculator (thank you) and noticed that you can't add a % of VG and get any results. I then wandered thru this thread and see you have to add it to the water field. Why is that? Is there a need to add water when adding VG?

You MUST add a number to the Water/Vodka/PGA field for it to calculate the PG/VG correctly. At least two of us have asked Dan to fix that but so far he hasn't got around to it. Just put a very low number like 0.10 in it if you aren't using either of them.

The easiest way I've found to use the calculator is to go to the Recipe tab and go to Tools/Protection and unprotect the sheet. That way you can enter your own recipes at the bottom. Enter your recipe (I name mine like Mac's Apple so I know I'm looking at ones I created). If I make another Apple to tweak the recipe I create a separate line and name that one Mac's Apple2, etc. That way you don't lose the percentages of the first one and it preserves your mix history.

Next, go to the main page of the calculator and at the bottom right box- not the top one - and use the dropdown to choose your recipe you entered. Now, when you enter the info needed in the top left box, Nic, VG, PG, PGA, the one on the bottom right will tell you how many drops of flavor(s) to use for the amount of juice you want to make. You MUST put a number in the Water/Vodka/PGA field or it won’t calculate correctly. If you aren’t using those put a low number in it like 0.10.

I don’t even mess with the top right box “Make a new Recipe”. It’s not really needed. To use it you’d have to go to the Flavors page and enter any new flavors that aren’t on the flavors sheet. That’s too much hassle with the ease of doing it like this.

You can make specific recipes down to 3ml for three flavors and 1ml for one flavor. I say that because if you mix a 3 flavor mix in a 3ml size, the flavor with the least amount of percentage might not show an amount of drops to use because the amount you are making is so small. You'll have to SWAG that one or make it in 4 or 5ml size.

I use 1ml and 3ml syringes without needles (except for the nic) to measure my mixes so they are very precise. That way I can duplicate them up to whatever size I want using the calculator after they are tweaked at 3, 4 or 5ml.

Hope that helps

 

[Switched]

You MUST add a number to the Water/Vodka/PGA field for it to calculate the PG/VG correctly. At least two of us have asked Dan to fix that but so far he hasn't got around to it. Just put a very low number like 0.10 in it if you aren't using either of them.

The easiest way I've found to use the calculator is to go to the Recipe tab and go to Tools/Protection and unprotect the sheet. That way you can enter your own recipes at the bottom. Enter your recipe (I name mine like Mac's Apple so I know I'm looking at ones I created). If I make another Apple to tweak the recipe I create a separate line and name that one Mac's Apple2, etc. That way you don't lose the percentages of the first one and it preserves your mix history.

Next, go to the main page of the calculator and at the bottom right box- not the top one - and use the dropdown to choose your recipe you entered. Now, when you enter the info needed in the top left box, Nic, VG, PG, PGA, the one on the bottom right will tell you how many drops of flavor(s) to use for the amount of juice you want to make. You MUST put a number in the Water/Vodka/PGA field or it won’t calculate correctly. If you aren’t using those put a low number in it like 0.10.

I don’t even mess with the top right box “Make a new Recipe”. It’s not really needed. To use it you’d have to go to the Flavors page and enter any new flavors that aren’t on the flavors sheet. That’s too much hassle with the ease of doing it like this.

You can make specific recipes down to 3ml for three flavors and 1ml for one flavor. I say that because if you mix a 3 flavor mix in a 3ml size, the flavor with the least amount of percentage might not show an amount of drops to use because the amount you are making is so small. You'll have to SWAG that one or make it in 4 or 5ml size.

I use 1ml and 3ml syringes without needles (except for the nic) to measure my mixes so they are very precise. That way I can duplicate them up to whatever size I want using the calculator after they are tweaked at 3, 4 or 5ml.

Hope that helps

Hence why I decided to create another one. Not for all mind you but it definitely addresses those issues.

Part of the problem with DIY is exactly what you have stated. We don't want to waste nic liquid on an experiment. Therefore keeping the experiment as small as possible permits using nic (which makes a difference) vice pure PG or VG. Although my calc may sem to be complex, it does permit reverse engineering, and capable of small complex samples. That being said, it may not suit everyones need.

 

[VaporingQueen]

Thank you Scubabatdan,
I just spent a hour looking at your spreadsheet, thank for making it easy to DIY.

 

[Scubabatdan]

I get my e-juice from Ms.T's Bakery...

If I want to buy just flavoring and add nicotine to it would you recommend a bottle of low, med or high??? I'm at low now and want to work my way down to zero.




But if I get high nicotine to add to flavoring...would I be able to get all the way down to low or lower with that?? It doesn't seem possible to me without buying a whole bunch of flavoring....

Ok let me think here and you see if I'm right:

If I buy a 15ml bottle of high (30mg) that would mean every drop has....2mg of nicotine. So let's just say I take 30ml of flavoring and 15ml of nicotine that would take the nicotine down to 7.5ml of nicotine? If I get 10ml of flavoring then I would need 5ml of nicotine to make it 7.5 right?? If I go down to say 5 ml (to make it easy) then i would need 2.5ml of nicotine to make it 7.5 right??? (That's if my original math is correct)

If that is the case...I'm still testing out flavors and my husband is little bit higher ml of nicotine than I am so if we buy 6ml of flavoring I'm seeing that it's not really possible to get both nicotine levels with that much flavoring (or should I tell my husband to suck it up? LOL). Because I don't want to buy say a 15ml/10ml bottle of something and not like it....so would you recommend say low/med nicotine if I get only small bottles (6ml/10ml) to test with??? Or am I just thinking completely wrong??? Oh and would the calculation be the same if the nicotine had flavoring in it? Say like I have a bottle of zero nicotine flavoring and a bottle of med nicotine flavoring. I really don't want to go much higher than low at the moment...I'm trying to get down to zero in a month.

Sorry I'm being a bother....I just like it if I get conformation from someone who knows what they are talking about.



PS: My flavorings have PG and VG in them...not just PG so how would that work with the calculator?

First I would not go by drops, here is why:

30mg x 15ml = 450mg in 15ml
If your drops = 20 drops per ml then 15 * 20 = 300 drops = 15ml
300 / 450 = 1.5mg per drop

At 40 drops = 1ml it is .75mg per drop. So this is a big difference.
Best to stick with ml, you are correct on your calculations but that is 66.66% flavoring to 33.33% nic. Way to strong if your using Lorann flavoring.

As I stated nefore the higher nicotine concetration the less you need to use to make 6mg juice. And if you wanted to make 12mg but only bought 12mg nic it is not possible since as you add flavoring the the nic content would be lowered.

Combining VG and PG does not affect the calculation if they are the based of you flavoring. If it is straight VG you might need to dilute it with water.

Hope this helps.
Dan

 

[Scubabatdan]

Ok V12 is up, I have been working on this on and off for awhile, I have added the two digit decimal places, I also fixed the VG vs Water problem. Un protected the recipe sheet. Added in a NO-NIC Calc sheet that figures all measurments for you. ANNNNDDDD add all of the current Perfumers apprentice flavors. You will also notice I seperated the PG and VG macros into two seperate sheets so it is Mac freindly. Still have problems with Open Office and the recipe macros, fudge!
I hope this will help.
Dan

Quick link:
Excel v12 ejuice calculator

And as always the latest download link is in my sig
Dan

Added:
Just tested the link and it downloads no problem
Dan

 

[Scubabatdan]

Ok I have done what MacDiver has asked, if anyone is to blame shoot him

I have added .... wait for it.... INSTRUCTIONS!

I have also reoragnized the sheets in a logical order that MacDiver suggested. Recipe sheet is first, then the PG, VG, and No-Nic sheets etc...

I also explained section 6 and using ratios, or as I renamed them "Parts" 2 parts this to 4 parts that etc...

The second section 6 lol, thanks for the catch MacDiver has been renamed to section 7.

Well as always the DL link is in my sig

Hope this makes peoples life easier.
Dan

 

[brianwhynot]

V12 is great. Thanks Scubabatdan!

 

[MacDiver]

Hey, I didn't suggest the changes because I'm smart. I suggested them because I'm severely mathematically challenged and from readng other posts on this thread some others are too.

It was confusing to me and with no guide I had literally given up on using it until AsT_sis told me how to use it this way. For you guys that understand the math from the start and what it's doing it's no problem to use. Now that the instructions are included it will be very easy to use and understand. Those new at DIY need a simple tool because it's all a little intimidating and confusing.

An excellent tool has now gotten easy for all to use.

 

[Scubabatdan]

I had a user make a suggestion so in the middle of testing out the plausability and actually making it work I was reported with an error. So you benifit, since the new change moved things around a little I have corrected the error while working on v13 and you get it today!

The Change.....

I have created a field for each liquid so you can now set up custom drops = 1ml per liquid. You can now duplicate your small batches into large ones with a much greater accuracy.

Hope you like it.

eJuice Calculator v13

Dan

ADDED:

Just remeber that the water field is based off the total amount of VG .... IF it is added. If VG is not added then then the water will be based off the total amount. I did this so if you add VG then you can adjust the water based off the VG only. But is you think your juice is to thick you can always add water based on the total amount without VG. This was done so the juice does not get TOOOO thin.
I hope this clears it up.
Dan

 

[WOW]

I was using a different calculator. I'm waiting for this one to download.

Since you mention it having a column for water would simple regular juices work, like the Capri Sun type of juice as a replacement for water for flavoring? I tried this in a really crappy cart I got screwed on off-line that holds very little e-juice and not sure if it's the cart or that juice flavor is generally not condensed enough to mix with no-flavor/mixers and 1 part light tobacco flavor just to give it a kick. It burnt up faster than water with only the first vape having any taste. Got the burnt taste by the 3rd vape. YUCK!

I won't be trying that one again. ...or can it somehow work... (The result would be similar to an e-hookah taste - stronger on vapes and light on flavor which would be awesome to be a DIY! - btw, using ECOPure on the other two parts - 1 mixer and 1 light tobacco (RICH - which makes A LOT of vapes)


(will let you know how your calculator works out next time I mix - thanks)

I had a user make a suggestion so in the middle of testing out the plausability and actually making it work I was reported with an error. So you benefit, since the new change moved things around a little I have corrected the error while working on v13 and you get it today!

The Change.....

I have created a field for each liquid so you can now set up custom drops = 1ml per liquid. You can now duplicate your small batches into large ones with a much greater accuracy.

Hope you like it.

eJuice Calculator v13

Dan

ADDED:

Just remember that the water field is based off the total amount of VG .... IF it is added. If VG is not added then then the water will be based off the total amount. I did this so if you add VG then you can adjust the water based off the VG only. But is you think your juice is to thick you can always add water based on the total amount without VG. This was done so the juice does not get TOOOO thin.
I hope this clears it up.
Dan