Electronic Cigarettes Contain Higher Levels of Toxic Metal...

[Oriana871]

Electronic Cigarettes Contain Higher Levels of Toxic Metal

no comment it's too late at night...

 

[martinc]

Research and study sponsored by...

I'm surprised the other studies and analysis didnt find that.

Oh the shame.

 

[Esharp]

"Funding: This work was supported by grants from the tobacco-Related Disease Research Program (TRDRP) to PT, a Cornelius Hopper Award to MW, a MARC National Institutes of Health (NIH) fellowship to AV, and a TRDRP Postdoctoral Fellowship to SL. The funders had no role in study design, data collection and analysis, decision to publish, or preparation of the manuscript.

Competing interests: The authors have declared that no competing interests exist."

TRDRP - TRDRP Home Page

Sounds like an anti smoking group to me.

 

[Uncle Willie]

if you look at the PIC titled "Cartomizer anatomy" .. that's pretty much what they look like after some use ..

 

[Esharp]

I have no doubt that trace amounts of metal are entering our systems as we puff away. After all, we are heating up a piece of metal, and metals oxidize. But nano-particles are pretty dam small (.000000001). How many nano-particles come out of the average auto exhaust. In our state of environment with so many pollutants and what we are exposed to should this be raising alarm bells. I'm not saying that vaping is perfectly healthy and without risks, but, whats next, are we going to start measuring micro-nano-particles just to try and prove a point. I agree they need to do more research and try and better all things e-cigs, but lets try and keep things in perspective.

 

[Ayce]

I got that as well. There's more crap in the air we are supposed to breath that that.

 

[Oriana871]

As soon as I saw that bloody FDA example case study I knew it was both biased and ignorant. I would have liked to see a comparison to other things that equate with the metals inhaled via ecigs besides cigarettes.

On the other hand, it's a great incentive to invent new ways to produce vapor. Unfortunately, in the meantime, this is one of those studies that will be gold in the hands of mass media, CLA, et al.

 

[astounded]

The article does state that "e-cigarettes are rightly marketed as safer than conventional tobacco cigarettes". I understand the concern about how studies may be used to twist political decisions, but as time goes by and more studies are done there are bound to be some things found that could potentially result in health concerns for long-time e-cigarette users.

I think we need to keep in mind that if studies which raise possible concerns result in changes in design, materials, quality control etc then we are the ones who would benefit most.

I am perfectly comfortable accepting that there are probably more risks associated with breathing vapour than with breathing air and consider it to be a no-brainer decision if it keeps me away from tobacco smoke. However, if I was concerned about something I would tend to go with a product which attempted to minimize an identified risk ... or I might just decide that risk is not an issue for me at this moment in time. Having information available is a good thing.

It is however a pity the way this will probably be used ... however I'm sure there are astute readers already looking into details (such as how harmful were the 2 metals which were higher from tobacco than from ecigs?!!)

 

[BWhare]

I like the way you think astounded.

reminds me of me....

 

[drac]

I will just tape a magnet in my mouth to collect the Nano particles of metal. Then I can relax.
Drac

 

[Qcaj]

"Funding: This work was supported by grants from the Tobacco-Related Disease Research Program (TRDRP) to PT, a Cornelius Hopper Award to MW, a MARC National Institutes of Health (NIH) fellowship to AV, and a TRDRP Postdoctoral Fellowship to SL. The funders had no role in study design, data collection and analysis, decision to publish, or preparation of the manuscript.

Competing interests: The authors have declared that no competing interests exist."

TRDRP - TRDRP Home Page

Sounds like an anti smoking group to me.

The first author of this study is a grad student (Monique Williams). The TRDRP grants were allocated to her supervisor (the marginally infamous Pru Talbot) and to Sabrina Lin, a post-doc at UCR. The funding from TRDRP is likely part of the general research fund used for most/all experiments in that lab. IE - TRDRP has no bearing on the research process and probably didn't even know it was happening.


The anti-intellectualism needs to stop. There's absolutely nothing in this article saying anything other than that quality control in China sucks.

 

[Watchmaker]

I'm pretty sure if they used the same critical analysis examining an analog it would be a hell of a lot scarier.

 

[Oriana871]

They did. Found it to be the same or even higher.

 

[Talyon]

I have no doubt that trace amounts of metal are entering our systems as we puff away. After all, we are heating up a piece of metal, and metals oxidize. But nano-particles are pretty dam small (.000000001). How many nano-particles come out of the average auto exhaust. In our state of environment with so many pollutants and what we are exposed to should this be raising alarm bells. I'm not saying that vaping is perfectly healthy and without risks, but, whats next, are we going to start measuring micro-nano-particles just to try and prove a point. I agree they need to do more research and try and better all things e-cigs, but lets try and keep things in perspective.

I'm also sure some metal gets on my toast or in my coffee from element in kettle etc. or I breath theses through the numerous heating cores used in my work place, lol

 

[tatt2edone]

All i can say is that I am continually reading articles, research papers, vendors descriptions, etc, etc...I read a blog referred to as ANTZ...i saw it posted on the forum yesterday.. My point is this, I believe I may have stated it prior in another post, or on my personal blog, but not sure. With quality made PV's and Juice, not sent from sketchy places, good quality control measures in place, the risks both short term and long are imho far less vaping 4 or so ingredients vs who knows how many in analog ciggies, and NRT's approved and on the market. I counted 13 ingredients in the approved popular "quick mist" spray. In that spray there was PG, Nic, Flavouring, aspartame, ethanol, tremtamol (i think that is how it is spelled) among some others, as well you are required to prime it by spraying it away from you, it leaves leaky residue on the cap, etc, etc.

As long as there are things people don't understand, there will always be people who jump to common ideas without doing their homework. I did my homework, I know that there could be risks, but those risks are far in-superior to the known analog risks! I am happy with my choice to break free from them, I am happy to learn more about vaping, its tech and development, I believe that tolerance for the mis-guided is needed on all our parts and focused effort to proper education should be our main goal, I am not saying we are not being tolerant, this is by far the most friendly forum I have ever experienced online, but when I read rubbish, I look at where it is coming from, why they're afraid to accept the truth(money, money, money, fear of change, did I say money), and dismiss it knowing that I am comfortable with my choices and support fellow members, friends, family making the switch, to help make it as comfortable for them as I have found you all have been for me!

sorry for the long winded post, but it just kept coming..lol

 

[DaveP]

I'm also sure some metal gets on my toast or in my coffee from element in kettle etc. or I breath theses through the numerous heating cores used in my work place, lol

Yep, we breathe the vapors from electrically resistive heating elements and gas fired galvanized heat exchangers every day and you know there are nano particles of metal in the air coming out of the vent behind your desk at work and in your bedroom vent at home. Even nature is at fault. Get caught out on a windy day and you breathe silica particles constantly from dust and fine particulate sand and dirt being blown about.

There's no safe place outside a clean room in a lab. Even then, you have to wonder if the filter materials are outgassing and releasing nano particles from the high efficiency micron level filtering medium.

 

[DKM2]

I agree davep.
The problem with this study is the baseline is only tobacco, so it is not telling me anything.

It wouldn’t surprise me if there are more of this kind of thing coming,
just pick something that is in a ecig, but not tobacco, and poof you’ve created a problem, “maybe”.
The other dangers are conveniently left out of the study. Like;
Leaching plastic, yeah but so do water bottles.
Exploding battery, maybe, but I’ve also burnt my hair lighting a cigarette.
Etc.

 

[Esharp]

I'm also sure some metal gets on my toast or in my coffee from element in kettle etc. or I breath theses through the numerous heating cores used in my work place, lol

It's environmental thing. We are exposed to so much, whether we breathe it in, put it on our bodies or consume it orally. We need to keep things in perspective. E-cigs are still fairly new in the big picture, I'm sure all things e-cigs are improving on continual basis. One thing that did surprise about the study was metal in tobacco, I would not have thought that to be the case, but I'm back to the environment. I agree with another post here, it's still better than cigarettes no matter how you slice it.

 

[DaveP]

Regulation is good when used wisely. How many times did we sit in front of asbestos insulated heater coil wiring on fan driven electric space heaters as kids? Anyone sit next to an unvented natural gas space heater as a kid? If the flames weren't blue, you inhaled CO.

 

[Oriana871]

Metals and nanoparticles in e-cigarettes-Commentary