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Electronic cigarettes just banned in my office

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Their building, their rules. I've never understood why people vape in their cubicle/inclosed space. Yes, the vapor is less irritating than cigarette smoke, but others may find it just as bothersome.
What concerns me most are those with allergies; people may be allergic to the flavor being vaped.
 

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Their building, their rules. I've never understood why people vape in their cubicle/inclosed space. Yes, the vapor is less irritating than cigarette smoke, but others may find it just as bothersome.
What concerns me most are those with allergies; people may be allergic to the flavor being vaped.

Are you just as concerned and ready to ban those who wear perfume in their cubicles, that affects people with allergies?
 

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Their building, their rules.

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Well, fortunately, in Europe (in Portugal, at least) that's not quite like this... YET. :(

In a place I used to work, there was a voting on whether the new building we were about to move should be a "Green Building" regarding smoking.

This was a little BEFORE anti-smoking laws were passed in Portugal (around 2006, something like that). So, this "Green Building" hype was about people making some kind of formal agreement concerning smoking, IN ABSENCE of a smoking related law. And it usually concerned smoking INSIDE (for example, NO designated smoking areas - INSIDE).

Mind my saying: no sane manager would include something some rule like "no smoking anywhere, not even outside" in a proposal. That would put people off: "I'm going to vote for NO this time, until management comes up with a more reasonable proposal, than can accomodate for EVERYONE."

You see, here in Portugal, there are few truly rabid anti-smokers. There are some, I've met only two of them in the 20+ years I have smoked, but mainly people live and let live:

"I do not mind people smoking, as long as they do not disturb me. Smoking at your desk? No way, I share that room with you. Smoking at the cafeteria? No way, I want to enjoy a coffe and a little snack in a smoke-free environment. Smoking in an enclosed, smoking designated area INDOORS? I can live with that; I'm not going there anyway. Smoking OUTSIDE? Sure you can, it does not bother me at all. In fact, ideally, that's what everybody shoud do..."
This is how MOST non-smokers feel about tobacco and smokers.

In the mean time, the new smoking law was passed, BEFORE we moved to that new "Green Building".

So, you can imagine our surprise when we got a mail from management, stating that managers were "shocked" to see people smoking outside, in the patio, when there was a recent voting, "clearly" won by 51 (fifty-one!) percent of voters who have DEMANDED for a "Grenn building".
And that they they would instruct security staff to "remind" that to people who were "caught" smoking outside (as if they were doing something illegal)

Now, our smoking law FORBIDS people from smoking in certain places, but at the same time it states were people are ALLOWED to smoke. This is about "rights", you see? Non-smokers have the "right" to breathe clean air in an enclosed space. That's why smoking inside is forbidden. In return, smokers are ALLOWED by law (So, they have the "right") to smoke almost anywhere outside, where they are NOT harming, or reasonably disturbing, anyone.

For example, you cannot smoke even OUTSIDE in an elementary school - there are minor students in there, and there's the "bad example" thing of smoking, and so forth - but you can have a smoking designated area INSIDE, away from students. The law does not REQUIRE such a designated area, but it ALLOWS you to have one. And it takes a very odd combination in numbers of rabid anti-smokers vs few smokers in a given school to NOT have such a designated area.

In an university, there are no minor students, so you can freely smoke anywhere OUTSIDE - or even INDIDE, in smoking areas only.


Management got quite a lot of e-mails that day... :) Mainly, "reminding" them that:

- The very concept of "Green Building" was now obsolete, because now there was a law passed by the Portuguese Republic exactly to adress smoking-related issues

- Even if it was not obsolete, NEVER in the original proposal was clearly stated that people would not even be allowed to smoke outside. The "majority" of 51% voters did NOT vote for that

- Since the law clearly stated were smoking was ALLOWED, then, within the law, ANY "reminder" from security stuff, under management orders, would be followed by a filed charge for harassment.


As you can imagine, I've never heard of ANYONE being "reminded", after that flood of e-mails... :)
 

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Are you just as concerned and ready to ban those who wear perfume in their cubicles, that affects people with allergies?

Many companies have rules like that in place. And I have no issues with it, especially since many bathe in the scent and are a walking billboard for the perfume/cologne. Don't know how many times I've walked into an elevator and almost gagged because of the over powering scent that someone was wearing.
 

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How does the whole pre-employment-test-for-nicotine thing even work? How do they find anyone they can hire? Pretty much everyone (smokers, vapers, non-smokers, non-vapers) tests positive for nicotine... it's part of a normal diet.

Usually people know if the company screens for nicotine. It only takes a few days to get out of ones system.
 

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i still don't get why People who Vape think they have more rights then people who smoke...

I mean seriously?

“the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not a sufficient warrant”

John Stuart Mill, On liberty


Simple enough... :)
 

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i still don't get why People who Vape think they have more rights then people who smoke...

I mean seriously?

Probably because vaping is not smoking. You along with plenty of other people need to become educated.

Note: I should add that it is not about more rights, smokers have a right to enjoy virtually harmless activities anywhere they like. It is more about discrimination than rights.
 
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i still don't get why People who Vape think they have more rights then people who smoke...

I mean seriously?

More rights? No. But should vaping be treated as smoking when it doesn't have the same health issues, and it doesn't have the same smell?

It's not smoking, and it shouldn't be treated like smoking.
 

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Many companies have rules like that in place. And I have no issues with it, especially since many bathe in the scent and are a walking billboard for the perfume/cologne. Don't know how many times I've walked into an elevator and almost gagged because of the over powering scent that someone was wearing.

I agree. It is why so many of us advocate vaping most places respectfully and with common sense. I find it ironic that you don't see some wanting to ban the wearing of fragrances.
 

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Probably because vaping is not smoking. You along with plenty of other people need to become educated.

Note: I should add that it is not about more rights, smokers have a right to enjoy virtually harmless activities anywhere they like. It is more about discrimination than rights.

More rights? No. But should vaping be treated as smoking when it doesn't have the same health issues, and it doesn't have the same smell?

It's not smoking, and it shouldn't be treated like smoking.

Excellent responses. You would think it would be obvious.
 

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wow! long read!
as far as the bickering goes: I guess it's better to have it out here than in public.
it's unfortunate that companies are so easily swayed by perception even when presented with facts (people too).
My workplace is in my home. We (my wife and I) have a smoking ban in place. both of us smoke/d. truth be told, the smoking ban is carried down from the property manager, whom I'm guessing has to rent the property to unknown persons when we leave. the property manager answers to the owners, who (I'm guessing here) have an insurance policy.
so who really has the smoking ban in place? WE like to think it was our idea, that its because we don't like the way our clothing, furniture and carpet would smell if we did.

so I quit smoking and started vaping. not to bypass the ban, but to save money and hopefully live longer (oh and also a small part was to stop paying the 75% state tax on tobacco. I don't think WA deserves any extra money from my addiction). Ok so when I'm not out on a shoot, I'm in my home office editing or goofing off. when I am at home, I chain vape. when I get up from my desk to stretch, get coffee or find some other way to goof off, I immediately notice the fog. it's thick! even with a fan going! so I leave the room for a while for assorted reasons and return....'wow! what an awesome scent, " I think! I could really see how the fog would offend someone if they were subjected to it all the time. I have to say that I have much higher productivity by being able to vape at my desk.....I got a 5 day edit(that's what I bid it at) done in 3 days. I have the benefit of those "reflective moments" i get while smoking, but am able to channel it directly into my work. I actually have to come up with other reasons to take a break.
 

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^^^^^before having my own business, I worked as a food-server or bartender seasonally in destination resorts. In almost all of the businesses, corporate or mom and pop, there were anti-scent and anti-smoking provisions either written or verbal for employees. most of that was common sense, but there were a few that banned it anywhere on the premises, so that on the odd chance we were able to actually take one of the mandated breaks, we would have to walk off the grounds which in some cases could be quite a hike. When the indoor smoking bans started to pop up, I was thankful as a server and bartender that they were in place. as a restaurant patron I was also thankful, since I never smoke during a meal, I really don't like the smell of others doing it during that relatively short time span. As a bar patron, I was absolutely livid!!!!....until I would remember what it was like on the other side of the bar.
 
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