To a non-smoker, non-vaper it's just as annoying to have to deal with your vapor clouds indoors. Hence why you (without even being asked) should take it into your own hands to not annoy your neighbor and go outside if you know that it bothers someone, your addiction shouldn't be someone else's problem, ever!
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Electronic cigarettes just banned in my office
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To a non-smoker, non-vaper it's just as annoying to have to deal with your vapor clouds indoors. Hence why you (without even being asked) should take it into your own hands to not annoy your neighbor and go outside if you know that it bothers someone, your addiction shouldn't be someone else's problem, ever!
I don't chase clouds, I am very respectful of other people's personal space and in six years of vaping have yet to have a single person tell me that my actions are annoying or bothering them. So my addiction has never ever been someone else's problem.
Doesn't matter if you chase clouds or not, you still exhale smoke the amount doesn't matter, what about odor some vapes smell great (to you) but smell obnoxious to others. Again it's your addiction they shouldn't have to adapt to you, you should adapt to your surroundings.
In my six years of vaping I have never once exhaled smoke. Maybe the way you are vaping is the issue. Personally I have no issue with the way I vape in public and neither has anybody else I have encountered while vaping. If I'd had even the slightest complaint from anybody about the odor I would consider the odor concern but as of yet again not a single complaint. I mix my own e-juice and a majority of the people I have asked tell me they smell nothing while a few have said they smell a faint bit of carmel but also added it smelled nice.
No offense but that's probably the most ridiculous thing I've never read on this forum. Smoke, vapor whatever it is you want to call it. You're still trying to twist the logic here, be considerate of others and stop thinking about yourself. How hard is it to come to terms with the fact that maybe someone else has a problem with it so maybe I should think about someone other than myself?
So what's the difference if you've quit smoking by using the patch or gum? That's nicotine as well right? They still won't hire you because you've quit tobacco?
I clearly stated how I feel about this subject and obviously even among the vaping community there is a great deal of misinformation. I don't intend to convert anybody to my way of thinking and see no point in following this thread any longer. I never entered this thread looking for an argument and see absolutely no point in continuing to have any conversation about this subject. My best wishes to anybody who wishes to argue this point any longer because some people are so conditioned by the anti-smoking crusade that they fail to understand that smoking and vaping are two completely different things. I am not a smoker and I absolutely refuse to follow smoking laws but when I was a smoker I did follow those laws. When they enact laws about vaping I will happily follow those laws.
no offense, but it's not smoke. people calling it and referring to vapor as smoke is a big problem. the perception that it IS smoke is the main reason it's treated like smoke. I don't like the smell of diesel fumes, which I know are harmful, yet no-one seems to ask me if the plumes of black noxious exhaust emanating from their one ton grocery getter is offensive.
No offense but that doesn't matter... this thread isn't about that, and people with nothing to argue because they know for a fact that vaping where not allow isn't right will try desperately to discredit and derail the argument by taking words out of context. Shifting the conversation to something else won't change any facts that people should be considerate around others, yes I know the difference betwen vapor and smoke, but does that really matter to the co-worker standing next to you which might not want to inhale either of them?
It's not as annoying to non vapers, mostly because it doesn't stink like cigs. I have a lot of friends who never let me smoke in their house or car, but who don't mind at all if I vape.
I agree that if you know it's annoying someone, you should be considerate. But what you *mean* is "You should always go outside like the smokers have to do, just in case it might possibly annoy someone". No thanks. I don't want to stand outside with the smokers - I don't want to smell like that anymore.
It's funny how nobody ever seems to mind me vaping when they are actually there, but some people just love to come to ECF and complain about how horrible it is.
It's not smoke. That's the basic problem. You want to pretend we're smoking, when we are not.
Man this thread is ridiculous. Maybe I should have just let myself cool off after that email came out....
Now after the ban has been out I really could care less. I do understand why they did, and I don't think anyone should be forced to deal with my vapor if they don't want to. I know it wasn't me that got the ban because everyone around me thinks it's stupid. I work in a corporate headquarters with multiple large buildings.
I was just bent out of shape over them saying it's protecting people's health...
Now after the ban has been out I really could care less. I do understand why they did, and I don't think anyone should be forced to deal with my vapor if they don't want to. I know it wasn't me that got the ban because everyone around me thinks it's stupid. I work in a corporate headquarters with multiple large buildings.
I was just bent out of shape over them saying it's protecting people's health...
So people have to stop eating peppers and tomatoes, etc... for days before they try to get these jobs? It just seems really ridiculous to me... what if someone has a deep love for aubergines? They can't work in the medical field anymore?
See this is the response i was waiting for. I agree that Vaping isn't the same but alot of people just say its not smoking so you can do whatever you want.
People at my office cry about the smell of vaping though so i guess that doesn't really work either.
FYI, i smoke in my office and i don't get flack about it but i see people dropping clouds in book stores and practically blowing it in peoples faces and acting like its ok when its really just rude as hell.
I can understand why people want it outside i just don't feel like we should be treated better because its vape. Taxing of it is where i get annoyed.
I guess if they eat 7 or 8 hundred lbs. of peppers and tomatoes, then yes...
Of course not. You're pretending it's the same thing. You don't care that the health issues are different. You don't care that the smell isn't nearly as bad. You don't care that vaping can help people get off a long term cig addiction. You're still smoking, and you don't think vaping is any different, so therefore, vapers should be treated like smokers.
Just because smoking has been demonized for years doesn't mean we should demonize vaping because it looks similar. Especially since vaping has the potential to help a bunch of people quit smoking. Plus help an entire new generation to avoid smoking in the first place.
For the places with a no nicotine rule, that's correct. If I understand it right, what they really object to is smoking, not nicotine. But the easy way to check for "do they smoke" is to check your nicotine levels. Yes, as some have pointed out, there are other sources of nicotine that apply to essentially everyone. But tomatoes simply don't give you nearly the nic levels that smoking does. Vaping (and nic-gum, and the patch, etc) will give you similar levels to smoking. Baylor Hospital is big in Texas, and based in Dallas, and I know that's their rule. New hires have to pass a nic test, and technically, they can re-test you later. I don't like it, and I don't agree with it, but if I wanted to work at Baylor, I'd know going in that I had to pass that test. (For me, no big deal, as I've been vaping 0 nic for awhile. But I wouldn't work for them out of principle. I suppose that's easy for me to say since I'm not in the medical profession.)
I know I said I was gone from this thread but just checking in.... Comparing smoke to vapor is like comparing hand grenades to apples, sure their both round but put one in your mouth and it will kill you but the other tastes good. Ok I am gone again.
Wow, are there really companies that test for nicotine? That's pretty lame. I guess I'm happy I work for myself. I think if I decided to work for a company and they told me they were testing for nicotine, I would probably laugh at them and walk out.
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