Electronic cigarettes just banned in my office

[Borescoped]

I guess I'm still stumped on why people wanna vape in their work places anyhoo? Why not just get up from your desk and walk outside like you did when you smoked? Why do so Many vapers think that it's ok to subject non vapers to their vapor?

I'll throw this out there too: As a smoker I was annoyed by others smoke and although I don't see many a vaper, I can tell you from my two trips into a vape shop that the vapor from most juices smells pretty obnoxious to me. I wouldn't wanna smell that all day at work.

I know I know, people smell up the office cooking popcorn and the Korean guy ruins the microwave with his fish but let's face it, it's pretty much accepted that people are gonna microwave, cook and import food to work. Smoking has been banned since I was like 22 and to most people, if there's smoke (vapor) coming out of your mouth your smoking. I'm glad that vaping is not allowed at most businesses because if I ever go back to working for someone I dint wanna have to smell someone's vanilla late icecicle menthol cherry bomb bobas pluid swirl all freakin day. Ima take my bad AYuss mod outside and vape with the smokers.

Hey hey hey now! Pump the brakes on that Korean guy fish talk there Russ!

 

[K_Tech]

Wow. Same thing happened at my work because they're uneducated and say that "it can easily have illegal substances in it." They said that someone put *edit*dry herbs/oils* in their ecig and lied about it and said that it was just nicotine.


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Funny you should mention that - I am acquainted through social media with quite a few people that vape, and a few of them have admitted on line to the use of herbal vaporizers during work hours. Now, although I do hope to be old some day, I'm definitely not a fuddy-duddy, but this is just irresponsible and insulting to the employer, IMO.

I'm going to be devil's advocate here. Excluding those that complain just to complain, there may be people in the office that could have a reaction to what's in the vape. Just because it's been proven to be less harmful than second hand tobacco smoke, does not mean that those who don't want to be exposed to it should have to sit there and take it.

I honestly think it's a common sense and consideration thing. The reasons they gave you are probably lame, but the overall consideration of non-vapers is sound.

My sister permits me to vape in her house; However, she apparently has a mild sensitivity to my vape that causes a dry, scratchy throat and some congestion. I vape on her back porch now.

Without testing every employee for everything that could possibly be in a vapor cloud, the safe thing to do would be to either ban vaping at the workplace or allow it in isolated areas (I can vape at work, but my work space is far from the administrative areas and on its own ventilation system).

 

[BlueSnake]

So when you walk onto a companies property in the US hundreds of years of laws and peoples rights suddenly get tossed out to the curb?

Yes........

 

[Equilibrium]

Hey, I'm southern redneck to the bone and I've ruined a microwave and the break room with some left over tai food before.

 

[Baldr]

Literally 5 minutes ago an email went out saying that vaping is not allowed in any office. I work for a publicly traded company in Georgia. Can they really put this rule in place?

Sure they can. They can tell you that you have to wear orange shoes and a purple hat, if they want.

 

[Singaw]

Thanks to the people here I now understand the difference between company policy and the law. Vaping in the workplace is not an issue where I live because smoking is still prevalent in most work places. Maybe that will change if they make the smoking laws more strict. When people see me vaping the first thought in their mind is usually thankful I am not smoking. They never think omg he's vaping, run for the hills. I hope your situation becomes better long before mine becomes worse.

 

[Borescoped]

Personally, I feel that I would be more productive if I could vape at my desk. Actually, I know I would be, because I was (if that makes sense). I get it, not my house/roof, not my rules. Fine. Doesn't mean I have to like it, I just have to do it.

Having said that, I don't agree with having to go out to the smoke pit exclusively... been getting a lot of second hand smoke from regular smokers that can't figure out to stand downwind of me, even when I move to be upwind of them. Enough so that when I go back inside, my boss now comments that it smells like I just had a cigarette, and he knows I refuse to smoke anymore (quit last April). I only go out there now with my troops to be sociable with them away from the shop for a few minutes, but if none of them are going out, I'll go sit in my car outside my shop and vape with a window cracked. Or, I'll go "use the restroom" for a minute. Only when there is no one else in my shop do I openly vape, and even that is with a fan on to quickly disperse my vapor, in case someone comes in.

 

[K_Tech]

Sure they can. They can tell you that you have to wear orange shoes and a purple hat, if they want.

As long as a corporate rule doesn't discriminate against a protected class or a protected activity, they're on solid legal ground.

The state in which I live and the one in which I work both allow the open and concealed carry of firearms by law-abiding citizens, but if I carry to work, I can get fired. I don't particularly care for that, but I have to pay my mortgage and feed my pets, so if they also pass a "no-vaping" rule, I'll probably have some REALLY long nights at work.

 

[danfinger]

Such a politically correct way to tell others that they are weak

I actually gave myself an hour to think about this and have concluded that you are correct. It is a PC way of saying that. I'm going to state something which will likely get me the pillory but yes, it is weakness. You might not want to hear it, you likely don't want to admit it, but if anyone can't go for more than eight hours without a puff off your PV then YOU ARE WEAK. You have allowed your addiction to control your behavior to the point that you've convinced yourself you can't get along without it.

I smoked for almost 3 decades. I got so good at rolling Balishag that most people couldn't tell the difference from a factory roll. Even at my height of smoking I never smoked at work. And even now, I leave my provari at home. I don't think I'm anything special. I don't think I have any more self control than any other human. I chose to use that control because I didn't want smoking to 'own' me. I 'owned' it. I liked it so I did it.

defined by what you think is the best way for all humans to act.

I'm not telling anyone how to act. I'm suggesting people to get rid of that mentality that they aren't in control. All humans have an incredible capacity to 'get sh** done'. Not letting something like nicotine control your life really is one of the best ways to exercise that capacity.

If you want to allow your addiction to control you then at least admit that it is YOUR CHOICE. Otherwise you will live in perpetual victimhoood, and that my friends is no way for any human to go through life.

 

[Baldr]

As long as their rules don't conflict with legal requirements, they can make whatever rules they want. You, for your part, can decide to work there, or not.

Some time back, I was working as a programmer, and the company decided to require us all to sign a new agreement, one that we had not had before. Most of it, I would have just signed with no worries, but one part bothered me. They had a section saying that any program I wrote, any code I developed, was theirs, even if I did it at home, using my own time and my own computer, and even if it's purpose was in no way related to their industry.

I didn't like that at all, and I decided "I'm not going to sign. If I have to, they can fire me and I'll go get another job." I went to work the next day, and went to see my boss. He was top-dog among the programmers, despite technically working in management. He agreed with me, and told me that quite a few others had. He told me "Just do your job, don't sign it, don't worry. I'm not going to sign it either." The company ended up having to make a choice between firing essentially every programmer and hiring new staff, or making more reasonable rules. They went with reasonable rules.

If you are important enough to your boss, maybe he'll make an exception. Maybe he'll tell you "Only do it in your office with nobody else around, keep it subtle". Maybe not. And if your job is something where you can easily be replaced, then it's not as likely that he'll work with you.

 

[Baldr]

I smoked for almost 3 decades. I got so good at rolling Balishag that most people couldn't tell the difference from a factory roll. Even at my height of smoking I never smoked at work.

Not buying it. Three decades ago, you could smoke pretty much anywhere. Dr's office, life insurance office, airplanes, malls, movie theaters. Most people didn't think much about it then.

 

[wv2win]

OR you could just exercise some willpower......................

I think being considerate of others is actually a really great way to act, so yes. We need more of this.

And I nor anyone else advocated not being considerate of others. In fact, I advocated to be respectful and considerate when vaping around others. You on the other hand are advocating to just not vape and use will power. So you can climb down from your ego driven perch by implying we should just "man-up" and have will power.

 

[Rickajho]

I'm going to be devil's advocate here. Excluding those that complain just to complain, there may be people in the office that could have a reaction to what's in the vape. Just because it's been proven to be less harmful than second hand tobacco smoke, does not mean that those who don't want to be exposed to it should have to sit there and take it.

I honestly think it's a common sense and consideration thing. The reasons they gave you are probably lame, but the overall consideration of non-vapers is sound.

To apply reverse logic to your issues regarding consideration: So, lack of consideration for people who quit smoking by vaping is acceptable. Considering they should be continued to be exposed to smoke, by forcing them to vape only in designated areas for smokers is a "consideration thing." And perhaps the employer should consider the amount of productivity lost by forcing people to take vape breaks away from their workplace. But hey, it's all about deferring to being considerate to anyone who complains about anything...

I don't like pink. Do you think if I complain about it I can get wearing pink in the office banned? That appears to be the considerate thing to do.

 

[danfinger]

Not buying it. Three decades ago, you could smoke pretty much anywhere. Dr's office, life insurance office, airplanes, malls, movie theaters. Most people didn't think much about it then.

You did notice which state I live in yes? Whether you 'buy it' or not it was a pretty big deal here, so yeah people did think about it. And I have smoked on a plane, and in a theater. How many life insurance offices do you think I went to as an 18year old? LOL.

I stated that I never smoked AT WORK.

 

[danfinger]

And I nor anyone else advocated not being considerate of others. In fact, I advocated to be respectful and considerate when vaping around others. You on the other hand are advocating to just not vape and use will power.

I'm advocating not vaping AT WORK. And only if your company doesn't have a policy against it. If your boss/company is cool with it, then vape on!

So you can climb down from your ego driven perch by implying we should just "man-up" and have will power.

Now you've got it! I'm not even implying that, I'm preaching it! Using will power is a great thing! Try it sometime!

 

[K_Tech]

I don't like pink. Do you think if I complain about it I can get wearing pink in the office banned? That appears to be the considerate thing to do.

Well, my late wife worked in an office that only allowed employees to wear "subdued colors", and any conflicts were to be settled by the office manager, so... yes?

 

[Singaw]

If you want to allow your addiction to control you then at least admit that it is YOUR CHOICE.

I like to think I took control of my addiction the day I picked up my first e-cig and threw away my cigarettes. You need some education about addiction and then some of the statements you've made will seem ridiculous. Until then I am proud of you for what you've accomplish thus far.

 

[danfinger]

I like to think I took control of my addiction the day I picked up my first e-cig and threw away my cigarettes. You need some education about addiction and then some of the statements you've made will seem ridiculous. Until then I am proud of you for what you've accomplish thus far.

You are living proof that my statements are not so ridiculous and it can be done. I've bolded my exact point.

All of you are proof. You have already proven that you are in control of your addiction to cigarettes by dumping them and going vape. You can apply that exact same control for when and where you hit your PV.

 

[Bunnykiller]

I'm going to be devil's advocate here. Excluding those that complain just to complain, there may be people in the office that could have a reaction to what's in the vape. Just because it's been proven to be less harmful than second hand tobacco smoke, does not mean that those who don't want to be exposed to it should have to sit there and take it.

I honestly think it's a common sense and consideration thing. The reasons they gave you are probably lame, but the overall consideration of non-vapers is sound.

and to be the devils devils advocate... why do I have to sit there smelling/breathing that really obnoxious perfume/cologne permeating the air I breathe from the next cubicle ..... some of the stuff people wear give me headaches..

 

[wv2win]

..............You might not want to hear it, you likely don't want to admit it, but if you can't go for more than eight hours without a puff off your PV then YOU ARE WEAK. You have allowed your addiction to control your behavior to the point that you've convinced yourself you can't get along without it.

....................I chose to use that control because I didn't want smoking to 'own' me. I 'owned' it. I liked it so I did it....................

.................If you want to allow your addiction to control you then at least admit that it is YOUR CHOICE. Otherwise you will live in perpetual victimhoood, and that my friends is no way for any human to go through life.

I choose to vape where I want, because I enjoy it, not because it "controls" me to the extent that I will have a serious issue if I can't vape. I have gone several days without vaping when I needed to and did not suffer a break down. It's laughable that you laud your own supposed "self-control" yet you smoked for decades and now vape. But because you supposedly can go eight hours without vaping, you think you have this great self-control. What irritates me is self-righteous egomaniacs who admonish others as being "weak" because they "choose" to follow a different path because it brings them pleasure. I would much rather be an "addicted" vaper than an egotistical ... who believes others should vape as they do.