Eliminating "burnt taste" at high voltage

[Cake]

A trick I figured out: dilute the flavor.

Many people have noted that certain atomizers will cause the flavor to seem "burnt" compared to others. The 901 to 510 comparison is famous for this. This becomes even more pronounced as you go to higher voltages. I've discovered that the reason for this isn't that your atomizer is burning hotter (directly) or the voltage "burning" your flavor: it is that you're consuming more fluid and getting hit with more flavor per draw.

The solution is to dilute your flavors down. At 6V, I've discovered that the ideal flavor is half that in strength of what you'd use in a 901. So if you're shooting for 12mg fluid, you'd take 24mg fluid (flavored) and dilute it at a 1:1 ratio with pure PG. This cuts the amount of flavor you get per draw since your juice only has half the strength, flavorwise. If you wanted 8mg, you'd cut 16mg at 1:1. You can tweak this to your desire (or your flavor needs) from here, but I found that cutting like this completely removes the burnt quality of the vapor and even with a 510 atomizer at 6V+ by cutting my flavor in half I get the same quality of flavor as using full strength fluid in a 910.

Less flavor can give you better flavor. Enjoy!

 

[Lisaf01]

A trick I figured out: dilute the flavor.

Many people have noted that certain atomizers will cause the flavor to seem "burnt" compared to others. The 901 to 510 comparison is famous for this. This becomes even more pronounced as you go to higher voltages. I've discovered that the reason for this isn't that your atomizer is burning hotter (directly) or the voltage "burning" your flavor: it is that you're consuming more fluid and getting hit with more flavor per draw.

The solution is to dilute your flavors down. At 6V, I've discovered that the ideal flavor is half that in strength of what you'd use in a 901. So if you're shooting for 12mg fluid, you'd take 24mg fluid (flavored) and dilute it at a 1:1 ratio with pure PG. This cuts the amount of flavor you get per draw since your juice only has half the strength, flavorwise. If you wanted 8mg, you'd cut 16mg at 1:1. You can tweak this to your desire (or your flavor needs) from here, but I found that cutting like this completely removes the burnt quality of the vapor and even with a 510 atomizer at 6V+ by cutting my flavor in half I get the same quality of flavor as using full strength fluid in a 910.

Less flavor can give you better flavor. Enjoy!

What an excellent discovery - I wouldn't have thought of diluting to increase the flavour - can't wait to try it out.

 

[imeothanasis]

Cake, that was the reason that I hadnt burned taste? I was listening people saying that they have this taste with GG and I was wondering if they are crazy. But I had deluted my liquid many months ago, so thats the reason I hadnt this bad taste.

Thanks man for this, you solver a big mystery here

 

[Chrissie]

Thanks from me as well Cake

Do you think cutting it with VG would also work?

 

[Cake]

Cake, that was the reason that I hadnt burned taste? I was listening people saying that they have this taste with GG and I was wondering if they are crazy. But I had deluted my liquid many months ago, so thats the reason I hadnt this bad taste.

Thanks man for this, you solver a big mystery here

This is exactly why. Too much flavor oversaturates your taste buds and comes across as overly harsh or "burnt". People don't only complain about the GG having this problem, but also all other high voltage vaporizers as well as some 3.7V ones such as the 510 due to it consuming more fluid per burn cycle.

Chrissie: yes, it would. Any non-flavored cutting base would do the trick the same way.

 

[CatVTTV]

Its funny you should mention different atomizers. Today, I changed to a new atomiser, not my normal brand, and the taste was disgusting.. in fact it took me back to the old days of complaing about that horrid taste atomizers have when new.

I could not stomach it Im afraid, so out it came, and has now had the wash treatment, something I have NEVER had to do with my preferred brand.

Now Im vaping at 6v and the old atomizer, and everything is fine, flavour, is good, no different in fact to vaping it at 3.7v.

So thanks for pointing that out..

Chrissie, all my juices are cut with VG, so thats maybe another reason I dont have the burnt taste.

 

[imeothanasis]

Big discovery Cake!! And I was wondering all this time what is going on with people

Thanks again my friend

 

[kabomb]

Wow! What timeing. I just ran into this problem a couple of days ago. Used an atty type I never used before. I was getting real upset. Was going through alot more liquid. Thanks for the discovery!

 

[kabomb]

These new attys have a higher bridge. Also not wicking much cart material. Less hits before refill. I thought maybe since bridge is futher away from heating element, it's not getting hot enough. But, why is it burning more liquid?

 

[imeothanasis]

Maybe they are just new? Lets see them after 4-5 days of use

 

[Burnie]

Wow thanks for the info. I'll give it a try on my 5v box mod, then I might be able to take more than a 2 to 3 second pull.

Burnie

 

[Cake]

The initial gross taste of an atomizer is the new priming fluid most manufacturers are using now to prevent instant failure from dry atomizers when installed. I don't recommend ever using a new atomizer before washing it out with water and vinegar (I boil mine in it for 10 minutes) and drying them out. Once clean, prime with 2-3 drips of juice, let it sit a couple, then go nuts. Voila! No new atomizer grossness.

 

[imeothanasis]

The initial gross taste of an atomizer is the new priming fluid most manufacturers are using now to prevent instant failure from dry atomizers when installed. I don't recommend ever using a new atomizer before washing it out with water and vinegar (I boil mine in it for 10 minutes) and drying them out. Once clean, prime with 2-3 drips of juice, let it sit a couple, then go nuts. Voila! No new atomizer grossness.

Nice trick for one more time cake!

 

[kabomb]

Tried fluval in cart and it made a BIG difference. Dries out more cart material, got a 7 drop top off, instead of 2. And most important didn't get any burnt taste. Will have to use it for a day to see about liquid use.

 

[Cake]

I suppose I should I should add a massive disclaimer to the boiling trick: certain paints on atomizers will release in a boiling water and vinegar bath. This can be a good or bad thing: good in that your atomizer will now be the same metal color as your GG, but bad if you really liked having a hot pink atty. I like boiling the paint off of my 510 atomizers

edit: Both my Innovapor and Janty sourced 510 atomizers gave up the paint in 3 minutes in the bath, YMMV.

 

[imeothanasis]

I prefer the silver attys too Cake, its the unity of GG

 

[Lisaf01]

I suppose I should I should add a massive disclaimer to the boiling trick: certain paints on atomizers will release in a boiling water and vinegar bath. This can be a good or bad thing: good in that your atomizer will now be the same metal color as your GG, but bad if you really liked having a hot pink atty. I like boiling the paint off of my 510 atomizers

I use the coke method overnight followed by a good wash out with boiling water - no paint problems.....

 

[imeothanasis]

Do you mean coca cola?

 

[Lisaf01]

Do you mean coca cola?

yep. I put all my atomisers in diet coke overnight when they are new - to get rid of the primer. I also do this cleaning method again if I've used any particularly strong juice that I want to get out of the atty and also if I notice any general performance drop-off on the atty...

 

[imeothanasis]

and the sugar that cola has? I am sure its the worst for atty