I would say this is the biggest factor for places that ban e cigs. People who see you vaping don't think oh look there's a vaper they think why is nobody putting a stop to that smoker over there? Perception is everything, even if people don't pull you up over it personally they're thinking someone should and any complaint to a manager of a place is reason enough to ban it.
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I would say this is the biggest factor for places that ban e cigs. People who see you vaping don't think oh look there's a vaper they think why is nobody putting a stop to that smoker over there? Perception is everything, even if people don't pull you up over it personally they're thinking someone should and any complaint to a manager of a place is reason enough to ban it.
I have good friends that own two very successful restaurants and a sports bar. They would love for people to be able to vape in their bars. (BTW, they are non-smokers). They say their businesses took a huge hit when they started the indoor ban on smoking and to them, vaping was the answer- no loss of business, no customers standing outside, etc. No second hand smoke drama, and I thought that was the big issue with non-smokers.
Unfortunately my state has an indoor ban on vaping. And if you aren't careful and aren't active, this could happen in your state.
I don't think the act of vaping bothers anyone, maybe a very small minority. And I think a very small minority of vapors are the type people are talking about. But non-smokers hate smoking period. Hate it. Don't care if it's smoking or vaping- don't want to see it. But we care. People's lives and health are at stake. I'm approached all the time from smokers or people who have family members that smoke and can't quit. They're the people I care about.
Unfortunately my state has an indoor ban on vaping. And if you aren't careful and aren't active, this could happen in your state.
I don't think the act of vaping bothers anyone, maybe a very small minority. And I think a very small minority of vapors are the type people are talking about. But non-smokers hate smoking period. Hate it. Don't care if it's smoking or vaping- don't want to see it. But we care. People's lives and health are at stake. I'm approached all the time from smokers or people who have family members that smoke and can't quit. They're the people I care about.
Simple reason ................ NON SMOKERS complain about it, and why shouldn't they if it bothers them?
Just because I like vaping doesn't mean that the Mormon Bishop living next door does.
and yes, I live next door to a Mormon Bishop
Just because I like vaping doesn't mean that the Mormon Bishop living next door does.
and yes, I live next door to a Mormon Bishop
What do these people have in common?
Business owners
Bouncers
Parents
Adults
Taxpayers
They are all over ruled by busy body Nannyisms.
I say we get busy and NANNYISM right back.
Fight for our rights.
The right to set my rules in my own business.
The right to bounce rude obnoxious people from my establishment. This means you too, nose-body.
The right to set the rules in my own home for my own kids.
The right to set the rules for my own life and home.
The right to a fair and just voting system in my own town. Hidden agendas are not in my best interest.
Business owners
Bouncers
Parents
Adults
Taxpayers
They are all over ruled by busy body Nannyisms.
I say we get busy and NANNYISM right back.
Fight for our rights.
The right to set my rules in my own business.
The right to bounce rude obnoxious people from my establishment. This means you too, nose-body.
The right to set the rules in my own home for my own kids.
The right to set the rules for my own life and home.
The right to a fair and just voting system in my own town. Hidden agendas are not in my best interest.
he doesn't like coffee either
don't let your coffee steam escape obviously, I'm playing,,,,,,,,,,but in your own house and on your own property,,,,,,,I wouldn't worry too much about the man next door
This is what really burns me about the politics of vaping. There is no scientific evidence that points to vaping being a health risk for vapers or non-vapers. There is growing scientific evidence supporting vaping being safe for vapers and much safer than smoking. Yet politicians have passed laws that make it illegal for businesses to allow vaping on their property if they chose to do so.
This is why I support CASAA. There are only 7,400 active CASAA members, which I also don't get. ECF alone has over 21,000 active members. IMO CASAA is the best deal we have going to help us organize and do something real, something that we know works, to fight the ignorance about vaping.
I'm just curious... how many vapers do you come across on a daily basis? The only vapers I run into are the ones at the B&M when I go get my juice, otherwise I haven't seen one in the wild yet (much less blatantly blowing clouds of vapor in public).
I vape in my car, in the stores' parking lots as I'm walking in, and have not been approached by anyone nor been given the "evil eye."
This is the correct answer.
I really don't expect that the public will ever accept vaping indoors, except maybe at bars and nightclubs.
But any and all blanket attempts to lump vaping in with smoking restrictions need to be fought.
The baseball stadium here (Petco Park) treats vaping exactly like smoking.
And that means you are supposed to leave the entire ballpark to vape.
That's ridiculous and this kind of thing needs to stop.
And we have to be the ones to stop it.
None of those reasons are really why places ban vaping. there is really only one reason.
FEAR!!!!
It looks like second hand smoke, it must be second hand smoke.
BAN it now!! Period.
Anyone remember the poll from eatocracy.cnn.com, Should e-cigarettes be banned from restaurants? Just had a look at the results again and they continue to surprise me:
I'm fine with it at the table 59.03% (19,417 votes)
No one should smoke anything, at all, anywhere that food is served 23.56% (7,749 votes)
They should go outside 7.96% (2,618 votes)
People should be able to smoke regular cigarettes at the table 4.42% (1,453 votes)
E-cigarette smokers should have their own section 4.31% (1,417 votes)
Other (please share below) 1% (242 votes)
A problem with the poll, or are people really this accepting of vaping? It is from CNN. I would think they are smart enough to make the web interface reasonably tamper-proof.
I'm fine with it at the table 59.03% (19,417 votes)
No one should smoke anything, at all, anywhere that food is served 23.56% (7,749 votes)
They should go outside 7.96% (2,618 votes)
People should be able to smoke regular cigarettes at the table 4.42% (1,453 votes)
E-cigarette smokers should have their own section 4.31% (1,417 votes)
Other (please share below) 1% (242 votes)
A problem with the poll, or are people really this accepting of vaping? It is from CNN. I would think they are smart enough to make the web interface reasonably tamper-proof.
They would been even more accepting I think, if the poll had not wrongly referred us as smoking. It isnt smoke, nothing combusts. Even though the poll is favorable, this is an excellent illustration of the type of misinformation were fighting on a daily basis even from people with a cursory knowledge of vaping.
well,,,,,,one problem with that poll is that some of us discovered you could vote more than once
I would vote for vaping sections with proper ventilation, which all businesses should have in place anyway, but few do. Not only would I feel comfortable but I know the others sitting around me feel comfortable, and it might lead to friendships and community fellowship again. Wow, it's been a long time since people were allowed to be people...
Right, the truth is between the extremes of blowing huge clouds into people's faces and slyly sitting in the corner like a drug addict.
The middle is: don't draw attention to it, but do it stealthily. Don't act like you're hiding something, but don't be flagrant about it. It's what I do. No one even knows I'm vaping, but I'm not necessarily trying to hide it like it's a drug needle or something.
I vape outdoors and in smoking sections by blowing clouds of vapor and am always happy to answer questions.
Responding to someone angrily asking you what the heck you're doing blowing smoke indoors is not the best case scenario. Do it inside if you must, but be respectful and stealthy without acting like a druggie. Be obvious about it outside or wherever smoking is allowed.
Ideally yes, we'd be allowed to vape obviously indoors because it truly is harmless to bystanders. However, it's just not a realistic goal since vapor looks just like cigarette smoke.
well,,,,,,one problem with that poll is that some of us discovered you could vote more than once
Yup, that's the kind of thing I thought might be happening. This could of course be used by both sides to skew the results. I tried to vote again today, but it still remembered I had voted a while back. Certainly takes credibility from the numbers.
WHile I agree that WE all need to Put Our Stories out in the Ether and Contact Our Representatives on Every Level. I will Not Say that Vaping In Public is a Bad thing...Now I am Not advocating Blowing Clouds for show But while shopping I Vape and Do not care who sees what I am Doing...If you want to abide by the Smokers Rules So be it, but I will not be Treated like one...
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