Evolv Dna 20 cloned 1:1 aswell as the hana mod
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Seems like not too many people know much about retail markups and the cost to run a business in the US.
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Seems like not too many people know much about retail markups and the cost to run a business in the US.
R&D, build time, employee pay, overhead such as rent and electricity, materials, advertisement (they don't do this one), testing, profit.
For 250 dollars I can buy this television set..
Now while I will agree that there's a difference between the two companies... I have to say, making a flat screen TV is without a doubt going to be more expensive then making a box that holds a battery and makes a coil hot.
You're right though, people like you really don't seem to know how cheap it can end up being to make something like a hana box mod, especially once you get a little assembly line going. R&D, advertisement, and testing are costs spread out over the length of time the product is sold. The rest is pretty minimal when you compare the amount they make on one unit, and how long it would take to actually build one unit.
Basically you're saying that Hana is either grossly incompetent as far as their business practices and are letting their expenses cut far into their profit. Or they are raking people over coals with an incredible profit on a metal box with someone else's technology inside.
Yes, one is a boutique manufacturer of niche market products in the US, the other is a multinational corporation manufacturing on an industrial scale in China.
I'm saying few people understand that I'm saying neither.
ok... Then lets compare to
200 dollars. Made by a smaller us company in the us.
and you have to be saying one of the two. Hana would just about have to be making these boxes one at a time in a livingroom for them to not be making a massive profit from each unit they sell. (wouldn't rule that out as often as they're in stock)
ok... Then lets compare to
200 dollars. Made by a smaller us company in the us.
Uh, that's also a multinational corporation and those mowers are also outsourced.
Most dna makers aren't that far off from that. The scale of manufacturing is light years different from the products you are trying to compare to. It's more comparable to handmade artwork. People aren't going to do this work paying themselves below minimum wage to try to match offshore manufacturing prices. This is a cottage industry.
Comparing a product you see in Lowes to a handmade semicustom product is ridiculous and invalid.
so you know, it's not a multinational, (not craftsman) and not outsourced, though they do use outsourced parts from other companies. (like the dna 20 board)
You're making my point for me. efficiency of assembly is not a difficult thing to achieve in this day and age. Done correctly, at the demand these devices have had, at a lower selling point, if they kept supply available they would make miles more than "minimum wage" They don't have to match China, they need to produce something that is there when you want to buy it. They fail at this currently, so a knock off that is available has nearly as high of a demand. That is their fault. Not China's.
** thought I would add, I don't care how much Hana charges. I think they should get as much as they can before a lot of other people do what they're doing better and more efficiently and they can't make as much. I just think it's ridiculous to blame it on another entity who is simply filling a demand. I also think it's ridiculous to talk down to and about those that would go with the available knock off instead of sitting around hoping to be one of the next 500 to be allowed to drop 250 dollars on "the real deal"
*** also edit that picture seems to be from a completely different company, google images does that to me..
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MTD products is quite multinational and quite outsourced. You're talking apples and ... heck I can't even think of an analogy of how much different that level of manufacturing is. Global food commodities trading?
Sure, if you're a massive multinational industrial company that can leverage overseas labor. Hana isn't and doesn't, as far as I know. Regardless, a ~100% retail markup is pretty typical, though I'm not sure Hana is clearing that.
Not everyone. Very few have much experience in it, let alone can call themselves expert.
Which is mass-produced. Hana Modz are not.
I doubt Hana is making an "incredible profit" on their mods making them in the US. If the profit were that incredible, somebody in the US would compete with them. The only mod I can think of that's of somewhat comparable design and manufacturing complexity is the ZNA, and it's also comparably priced.
I'm sure the Chinese can copy, mass-produce, and sell a Hana clone for much less than Hana can make small runs of them in the US. It's far easier to set up mass production of something like that in China. Time on CNC machines and assembly labor cost a small fraction there. In addition, they don't consider it unethical to copy someone else's design, so their design costs are close to zero. The one thing that really crosses the line though is them putting Hana's logo on their copy. That's misrepresentation -- aka "Fraud".
Oh, and if the DNA clone board uses an exact copy of Evolv's firmware, that would be theft.
Don't be ridiculous!! Intellectual Property Theft is ok as long as it's theft of someone else's intellectual property and it gets me what I want cheaper and now.
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Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that exactly how the older version hanas were made? (with the seam across the top) Not that that's a good thing either way. Guess they cloned the wrong version.
No. Sir. I've got one of the first and there is no seam. I wouldn't have purchased it.
And it's taken quite a beating. Everything does with me. I've destroyed Chinese mods in a month. Even the "vaunted" SVD. Kaputsky.
Tap, Tap, Tap.... Talk.
Now i'm confused. I swear I've seen authentic Hana's with the seam across the top.
Quotes from another Hana thread.
I got to Page 4. For me it's not that I would be able to buy a clone/conterfeit/whathaveyou of a product, it's that I would BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY BUY A PRODUCT.
In the SS. Dana Modz thread people are starting to bail on their pre-order after waiting months. That's BS to me. If I can't buy a Dana Modz or ZNA, etc. what choices does that leave me with?
In the SS. Dana Modz thread people are starting to bail on their pre-order after waiting months. That's BS to me. If I can't buy a Dana Modz or ZNA, etc. what choices does that leave me with?
The seam was along the outside of the top, not across. The v2 had a lip that extended down the back, a small amount. My son and I have been using them since May, 2013, with no incidents.
I did consider upgrading mine to a v2, because I like the design a little better, but decided against it. I like DNA chips, but they're not my absolute favorite, so I just stuck with the v1. IF you're concerned about leakage though, Trent does (or at least did) offer a chemical treatment that will seal the innards, in the event of leakage. It's a cheaper option, that will eliminate any concern, if that's an issue.
I have mine wrapped in black CF, so neither color nor scratching is an issue for me. It truly has become a great "beater" mod for me, and I use it every single day. So does my son.
Bottom line, it was money well spent (from our perspectives at least).
I did consider upgrading mine to a v2, because I like the design a little better, but decided against it. I like DNA chips, but they're not my absolute favorite, so I just stuck with the v1. IF you're concerned about leakage though, Trent does (or at least did) offer a chemical treatment that will seal the innards, in the event of leakage. It's a cheaper option, that will eliminate any concern, if that's an issue.
I have mine wrapped in black CF, so neither color nor scratching is an issue for me. It truly has become a great "beater" mod for me, and I use it every single day. So does my son.
Bottom line, it was money well spent (from our perspectives at least).
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