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Fatal Motion Tabled In House Of Lords To Stop E-Cigarette Regulations Lord Callanan to move that a

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  1. Toby

    Toby Unregistered Supplier ECF Veteran

    Dec 10, 2008
    York UK
    Posted this in the EU Legislation sub-forum, but warrants being in the UK sub-forum as well.

    URGENT: see at bottom of post for link to petition - needs to be done today!

    Fatal Motion Tabled In House Of Lords To Stop E-Cigarette Regulations

    Lord Callanan to move that a Humble Address be presented to Her Majesty praying that the Tobacco and Related Products Regulations 2016, laid before the House on 22 April, be annulled on the grounds that its restrictions on product choice and advertising of vaping devices were devised before evidence had accumulated that vaping was enabling many people to quit smoking, run counter to advice from the Royal College of Physicians to promote vaping and are so severe that they could force vapers back to smoking and create a black market with harmful products (SI 2015/507)

    House Of Lords Vote Would Scupper TPD

    Petition set up to support the Motion. It already has over 3,000 signatures. Please help to get more for it if you can:
    David Cameron MP: Support Parliamentary moves to block crazy e-cigarette regulations
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  2. Toby

    Toby Unregistered Supplier ECF Veteran

    Dec 10, 2008
    York UK
    In the House of Lords Lord Callanan has put down a motion which if passed would stop implementation of the TPD in the UK. This is a critical development.

    Why this is different?

    Lord Callanan: is a hugely experienced senior politician. In the European Parliament he led the successful efforts by which MEPs blocked compulsory medicinal regulation that would have wiped out of vaping. Nobody has been more effective at defending vaping than him.

    Procedural: unless Lord Callanan is forced by pressure from Downing Street to withdraw his motion there will be a debate and a vote. Under parliamentary rules if the Lords agree to this motion the statutory instrument implementing the TPD in the UK will fall. Such procedures are called “fatal motions” because the regulations get killed outright and do not go back to the Commons. (For geeks: the Lords have until 10 June to vote against this delegated legislation. That will be the end of the 40 days of “praying time” during which a successful motion can block the statutory instrument. This is the case even though the law has previously gone into effect as the TPD will on 20 May.)

    Politics: the Lords are strongly against the TPD rules on vaping as was shown in last week’s debate. (Lords debate)

    Government and Opposition: they know there are severe problems with the TPD’s rules on vaping. Government officials have acknowledged that they could increase smoking and the health minister told the Lords that he hoped enforcement would be lax. The shadow minister said that he could not understand why e-cigarettes were included in the TPD and described opposition to vaping as “bonkers”. Two years ago his boss, Jeremy Corbyn, signed a parliamentary motion against the TPD rules on vaping.

    Momentum: as politicians see increasing vaper pressure they are already trying to be creative in finding a solution. Technically the EU could start “infraction proceedings” against the UK for not fully implementing Article 20 but this would look very bad. Brussels wants to make friends not encourage anti-EU sentiment.

    Why we could succeed:

    There are more of us: In 2013 when vaper power helped swing the day in the European Parliament there were 1.3 million vapers in the UK. Now there are 2.8 million of us.
    Political concern: Westminster and Brussels have reason to be helpful. The politicians are seeing the evidence that some of the rules are no longer fit for purpose. More fundamentally they do not want vapers to decide their referendum votes on this issue.

    What you can do?

    If ever there was a day for vaper power this is it. So let us respectfully urge our leaders to use the opportunity of Lord Callanan’s motion to rethink the specific problems we have with TPD.

    Tweet: send your support for the ‪#‎LordsVapeVote‬ to @Number10gov @jeremycorbyn @MartinCallanan

    Petition: here is one ready to go:…

    Final Thought

    When vapers work together they are an unstoppable force. If we do not take today’s opportunity presented by Lord Callanan’s gutsy initiative then we might literally have to wait until around 2026 for the next Tobacco Products Directive to be implemented for even a chance of improvement.

    So wait ten years - or tweet today like you have never tweeted before.

    **Everyone please feel free to adapt this note and publish it as you see fit**

    In my eyes its our very last chance to put some pressure on the powers to be. Why not give it a shot!
  3. Chrissie

    Chrissie Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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  4. Toby

    Toby Unregistered Supplier ECF Veteran

    Dec 10, 2008
    York UK
    Yeah Chrissie, I can't believe that nobody has responded to this thread..

    .. or have they simply supported the petition (our last chance) already, so they don't need to comment ?

    Or is ECF UK Forum just about Fastech et al these days, so f¨çk anyone that might be affected by the disastrous regulation due to come in, via Article 20 of the EU TPD... ?
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  5. sonicbomb

    sonicbomb Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 17, 2015
    1187 Hundertwasser
    Signed of course, and shared and promoted.
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  6. Rickajho

    Rickajho ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 23, 2011
    Boston MA
    Ever feeling like you are living in the middle of some kind of global war on sanity? Best of luck (and efforts) from this side of the pond.
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  7. terry w

    terry w Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 1, 2012
    Manchester UK
    Signed :)
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  8. jwbnyc

    jwbnyc Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    Mar 4, 2014
    Totally signed.
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  9. Pictor

    Pictor Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 27, 2009
    Many of us in the UK have signed - look at the sticky too: Read this! - TPD European regulations come into effect tomorrow: Or do they (UK)? ...lots of US citizens have signed it too!
  10. pfaber11

    pfaber11 Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 16, 2009
    I've signed it. It still needs another 37000 signatures . come on peeps there's over 2 million of us
    where are you all.
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