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Discussion in 'DIY E-Liquid' started by dannyv45, Apr 15, 2015.

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  1. DaveP

    DaveP PV Master & Musician ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    May 22, 2010
    Central GA
    FWIW, tobacco right off the plant really doesn't have a flavor that anyone would like, IMO. I once had a friend who lived on his parents' farm where they grew tobacco and sold it at auction to the tobacco giants. My brother in law and I would spend the weekend there once a year, and occasionally we'd pull a cured leaf out of the tobacco barn, roll it up, and smoke it. If you've ever smoked a Picayune or a Home Run cigarette then you know how it tasted! It was like a cigar with no flavorings added.

    Even in ejuice it's the flavors we crave, just like the flavors that were added to the tobacco in our cigarettes. The ashy flavor bases just add the sensation we need to call it a tobacco vape.

    5. Do additives make tobacco more addictive?
     
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  2. Brewdawg1181

    Brewdawg1181 Super Member

    Aug 30, 2017
    Well, welcome back Danny!
    Bood - I clicked the link Danny gave you for the Gold & Silver I recommended. The link is correct, but definitely ignore the description. I don't know where Bull City came up with that, but I don't think there's any cream/cherry at all. It must be a mistake. G&S is supposed to taste like a Benson & Hedges cigarette. Although to me, it tastes like an unfiltered Lucky Strike.

    If Bull City is out of a Hangsen flavor you want, you might try Nicotine River. But they don't sell theirs in original packaging, which I prefer. They repackage in their bottles.
     
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  3. Brewdawg1181

    Brewdawg1181 Super Member

    Aug 30, 2017
    Oh, and go very easy on the DNB or Dark Fire for adding smoky/ashy! It really does what it's supposed to do, but will easily overpower the other flavors.
     
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  4. Brewdawg1181

    Brewdawg1181 Super Member

    Aug 30, 2017
    I'm not Danny (and don't play him on TV!), but I'm a straight tobacco guy who wanted to add a little strawberry because of Screwbacco, for a breakfast/change of pace vape.

    I used some INW Flue Cured (3%) and FA Strawberry (0.5%), and it came out very nice. I tried it at first with more strawberry, but it kind of takes over. It only takes a little strawberry if you still want to taste the tobacco. You might even just tank mix - put a drop in your tank of tobacco, and add until you like it, then backward engineer, by estimating how many drops= ml, then mix a bottle.
     
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  5. -KT-

    -KT- Senior Member

    Oct 12, 2017
    My first post in this thread!

    Yay!

    Anyway - I'm liking Hangsen #5. It's not sweet like #4. It's kind of dry and ashy. Hard to describe.

    Just mixed some, so I expect it will mellow out with time.

    Got it from Nic River.

    Sent from my R1 HD using Tapatalk
     
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  6. Brewdawg1181

    Brewdawg1181 Super Member

    Aug 30, 2017
    Welcome to the thread, KT!
    I've been wanting to try that one, but it's always out of stock when I order. Same with Highway. I hear it's kind of similar to Tab Blended, which has become my base for tank mixing...about 1/2 tank of Tab, then top off with Flue Cured, Gold & Silver, TA Garuda, or Cohiba. Thanks for reminding me - I'm going to order some next order.
     
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  7. Vicman

    Vicman Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 6, 2014
    Chicago
    Just tried a mix I made up about 2 months ago and am loving it. One of those that I mixed and it fell on its side and I just found it while clearing out my cabinet. It is a very nice cigar vape I named Tuscan to the Maxx which I thought I'd share.

    Tuscan (SC) 2%
    Maxx Blend (SC) 1.5%
    Burley (German Flavors) 1%

    It is a 50/50 pg/vg blend with a recommended steep time of at least a month. I added the Burley as I thought it would add the leathery note similar to Cuban Cigar TA (INW). That was a fail on my part but a happy fail. The Burley provides a little more bite to the mix. A darker note which almost reminds me of a slight coffee finish. Very happy with this. The Tuscan provides that high pitch note along with some earthy tones. While the Maxx Blend provides more of a cigar note. I will add Cuban Cigar TA (INW) at about .75% to see if I can add a little leather to the mix. I like it how it is but like anything else, always want to see if I can make something even better.
     
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  8. sk25411

    sk25411 Senior Member

    Sep 8, 2017
    San Diego, California
    Mixed up a few 30ml batches of single flavor tobaccos to find out what I like.

    Did FA Virginia 3%, FA Soho 14%, FA ry4 3%, INW 555 gold 3%, NicRiver vanilla bacco 3%, and FA monsoon 3%.

    Looking forward to these, apart from my usual gold ducat 3%!
     
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  9. Brewdawg1181

    Brewdawg1181 Super Member

    Aug 30, 2017
    I did some FA Virginia on 11/11, and it's really tasting good. Very flavorful. I'm not using it as a standalone, but like INW Flue Cured, it has a really distinct, authentic tobacco flavor.

    In fact, I'm coming to realize that some flavors, like the Virginia and Flue, I like a little more fresh, before their distinctive character fades into the juice.
     
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  10. sk25411

    sk25411 Senior Member

    Sep 8, 2017
    San Diego, California
    Have any recommendations for some mixes I could do with any of my posted tobaccos? I also have ry4d and gold ducat.

    Not sure where to take some mixes, amongst tobaccos, as I am fairly new, and been doing them single flavor, or adding AP to ry4d.

    Thanks!
     
  11. Brewdawg1181

    Brewdawg1181 Super Member

    Aug 30, 2017
    Your Post: Did FA Virginia 3%, FA Soho 14%, FA ry4 3%, INW 555 gold 3%, NicRiver vanilla bacco 3%, and FA monsoon 3%.

    When I started, I did a couple of highly recommended mixes, and didn't really like them. Luckily, I only did tests of 10ml, so I am able finish them all without tossing. What I do is all single mixes, then tank mix to my mood. To my mind, this has a few advantages:
    1. Even if you plan on doing "recipes," to do it well, you'd need to first understand the profile and characterics of each flavor you're using. So once you've learned them, you'll know better which flavor goes with what.
    2. Tobaccos do change, sometimes a lot, over time. Doing them as a single flavor will help you know how they age, and come up with a better recipe that will be good at 2 weeks, 1 month, 2 mo., etc.
    3. You can pretty much try everything with no waste. Say you come to like one specific tobacco, and want to add a little strawberry/cream to it. Try a few drops in the tank, and at worst you have to dump & clean the tank, rather than tossing 10-20 ml of juice away.
    4. If you're anything like me, your vaping taste buds are constantly evolving. I've been doing it only 8 months, but my preferences have changed a lot. Started with commercial, somewhat sweet juices (Halo Tribeca, Indigo Duke), then didn't want anything to do with sweet. Started diy tobacco a couple of months in, and kind of did overload. For a while, I was alternating between flavorless and a diluted tobacco mix. Now, I don't do unflavored, but am really into more flavor. So I can still use pretty much all I've mixed.
    The mode I'm in now, I've discovered that HS Tab Blended is a great, solid but unremarkable tobacco with really good mouthfeel and throat hit. It's become my base. I start a tank with it, then add a more unique, flavorful mix on top of it- something like TA Garuda, SC Cohiba, HS Gold & Silver - flavors that add more sharp "high notes" to the more basic Tab. And lately, I've been adding FA Virginia, or a little HS Arabic (Arabic has a lot of flavor, and tingles the taste buds). I don't really like either of these as standalones, but they really add a lot to the Tab. On evenings with a few cocktails, I like a lot of flavor, so I'd add more than half a tank of these "toppers." I guess I've been doing this long enough now that I could make a batch of say, 50/50 Tab & Cohiba, or something like that. But maybe not - I still like adjusting throughout the day to suit my mood. I may start with a Flue/G&S mix, then have a mood to add a bunch of Virginia toward the end of the day.

    So I guess that's the loooong answer to your question. The short answer is "I don't really do mixes per se." But try the tank mixing thing, and you'll be able to come up with some of your own that you love, I'm sure!
     
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  12. capthook

    capthook Super Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 3, 2015
    North Carolina
    I've been trying to DIY a tobacco mix for a long time -
    haven't been able to get one I like.
    I don't have many tobacco flavors, mostly prefer fruits and nuts etc.
    What I do have is:
    RY4 Double-TFA
    Turkish-TFA
    Western-TFA
    Smooth Tobacco-CAP
    Desert Ship-HS

    The RY4 is decent - fruity, carmel/vanilla, pipe tobaccoish.
    Turkish is ok - slight fruity with a bit of spice.
    Western is similar to an analog.
    Desert Ship - didn't care for the grassy/hay/bitter notes.

    Finally did get a mix I like - somewhere around mix #40 ha!
    Had to drop the tobacco notes down in % and add a good bit of other flavors.

    TRW Blend

    RY4 Double (TFA), 1.25%
    Turkish (TFA), 0.50%
    Western (TFA), 0.25%
    Butter Pecan (FW), 3.00%
    Caramel (FA), 1.50%
    Vanilla Swirl (TFA), 1.50%
    Sweet Cream (CAP), 1.00%
    AP 1 drop 10ml
     
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  13. sk25411

    sk25411 Senior Member

    Sep 8, 2017
    San Diego, California
    Boy, 555 gold at 3%, in a premixed 50/50 12mg, smells AMAZING.

    I’m trying it Tuesday for sure, because I left it at work in my locker with my other steeping bottles, hah!
     
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  14. Andree

    Andree New Member

    Dec 1, 2017
    what is that NicRiver vanilla bacco?
     
  15. IDJoel

    IDJoel Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 20, 2015
    Boise, ID
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  16. Brewdawg1181

    Brewdawg1181 Super Member

    Aug 30, 2017
    You were correct, Gary - I'm finding that it's really a unique flavor, and use it to top off a tank pretty often.
    Funny, I usually only vape "straight" tobacco, but this one reminds me of food more than tobacco. I get curry, some spices I can't really put a finger on, and maple syrup. I was sitting at my desk the morning after mixing some the night before, and kept thinking I was smelling pancakes! Really nice vape, though - a great change of pace, but isn't really sweet.
     
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  17. Andree

    Andree New Member

    Dec 1, 2017
  18. Brewdawg1181

    Brewdawg1181 Super Member

    Aug 30, 2017
    Nicotine River Vanilla Bacco
    A smooth Tobacco with dessert notes. Wonderful by itself or with cakes and other delights! Vanilla Bacco may be the new flavor your arsenal has been waiting for.
    Suggested percentage 2-3%
    Diketone Information,
    Diacetyl: None
    Acetoin: None
    Acetyl Propionyl: None
     
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  19. sk25411

    sk25411 Senior Member

    Sep 8, 2017
    San Diego, California
    I haven’t tried vanilla bacco yet, but it smells great.

    I found a black honey 8% that has been sitting for 2 months, and that stuff is freaking good.

    I used it alone, then when I was a little low, filled the tank with ry4d, and it was great
     
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  20. sk25411

    sk25411 Senior Member

    Sep 8, 2017
    San Diego, California
    Tried a few mixes at 3 weeks.

    FA Soho @14% tastes exactly like ry4d to me. Will let it sit more, but right now, it’s so similar.

    NicRiver vanilla bacco @3% tastes really good. Like a ry4, but without the super sweet. You really notice the vanilla with no caramel. I like it a lot, and will make more.

    FA ry4 @3% was good, subtle. I bet longer than 3 weeks will help it more, will try again.

    FA Virginia @3%, not really sure about this one. Was too much, of something, all up front. Will let sit and see! Or add a little bit to other mixes and see how that is.

    INW 555 gold @3% smells better than it tastes, in my opinion. However, it’s still different than other tobaccos ive tried, and I will keep it around. I definitely get peanuts from it, it’s interesting for sure.

    My older mixes of ry4d are still pretty tasty and I always have some made.

    The INW gold ducat is super freaking good, but I’ve noticed it destroying coils and cotton SUPER fast. The concentrate is rather dark.

    And the TFA black honey that I had sitting for 2 months is REAL good. Although I mixed it at 8%, it’s pretty strong, and I could see 5/6% being fine.

    These were my first real big mixing session with tobaccos, and I like it a lot. Seems like there’s a lot to try and experiment with.
     
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