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[chopdoc]

I am curious guys what everyone means when they say TA 1%. Does that mean 1% of the super concentrated flavor as you get it from the vendor, or 1% of the diluted 10% solution?

The ones that comes as paste like Rustica or Mothers Milk I mix it up at %10 solution. When a recipe calls for TA at %1, it is to use the solution at %1 in the recipe. With the ready to use like Inawera, I will use it the same as the solution.
A recipe calls for %5 flavor, %2 something else and %1 TA means you add %8 additive to a %92 VG/PG/Nic base.

 

[JD1]

I am curious guys what everyone means when they say TA 1%. Does that mean 1% of the super concentrated flavor as you get it from the vendor, or 1% of the diluted 10% solution?

The Rustica TA is the only one I've tried so far. It arrived as a paste and following Danny's advice, I mixed it down to a 10% solution. That makes it much easier to work with and usually I'm adding 1% of that 10% solution to other flavors.

 

[dannyv45]

I dunno...thats 33% of a 5% cotton candy mix I had made I put into the desert ship. If I made a 33% cotton candy she could put it on her pancakes. . I'm trying to figure out how much cotton candy concentrate I would use to achieve the same ratio in her juice.

I think I misunderstood you. Cotton candy is much like EM. When you buy it, it is mixed from the manufacture into a 5% base solution concentrate just like EM. So when you said "a 5% mix I made of cotton candy (Which is how you make EM from crystals)" I though you ment you used 3ml's straight from the CC flavoring bottle which would equal 33.33%. If what your saying is you used an already mixed juice with 5% cc added then JD1 is correct. Sorry for the mix up I kinda over thought the entire process and I hang my head in shame

 

[dannyv45]

Today I reviewed these flavors. All test samples were 5ml with %4 flavoring at 80VG/20PG. They all sat in the UC for 2 hours on a 30 watt cycle and 1 hour on a 50 watt cycle before first taste test and 30 minutes at 50 watts for second taste sample. Taste test was done on a Nimbus RDA with a large coil at 1.89 ohm with Rayon wicks on a Tesla Invader.


Flavor Art Dusk Had a light sweet leafy taste as is. I added 1 drop of Rutisca TA and 1 drop or Dark Tobacco. Flavor became bolder. Not recommended. Might work well in a mixture.


Flavor Art Latakia. Had high hopes for this from the description. Was suppose to be a smokey tobacco blend. What I got from it was a very hayish strong flavor. Added 1 drop of Mothers Milk TA to it and it rounded out the hayish flavor but never did get a smokey flavor to it. Might need a long term steep to bring it out. If you like hayish tobacco vapes then this one is it. Not as good as Inawera latakia.


Tobacco Express Golden Virginia. This has a very good strong tobacco flavor and is recommended as is. Added 1 drop of Virginia TA and it just becomes even better. Would be a very good base for more complex mixtures.


Inawera Tuscan Garden By itself it has a hayish cig-a-like flavor with a bit of peanut shell to it. Not bad by itself. Added 1 drop of Rustica TA to it and rounded out the hayish flavor and brought the cig flavor out more. Its a pretty good vape either way.


Inawara Burley Had a smooth dry tobacco flavor by itself. Added one drop of TA Virginia and 1 drop of Dark Tobacco to it and it became more of a bold tobacco taste. This one I would also recommend for using as a base for a more complex tobacco mixture.


Inawera American Type. This is a straight up cig flavor vape. Added a drop of Virginia TA and a drop of Dark tobacco and I started detecting a real light spice flavor to it. I pulled the wick, re dry burned the coil and wicked it again just to be sure and yes, a slight spicy flavor to it. Pleasant vape all the way around but wasnt expecting the spice hint.


Inawera Tobacco. By itself it has a sweet flowery flavor to it. Add a drop of TA Virginia and a drop of Dark Tobacco and it enhanced the flowery flavor.


Going to let these samples sit a week and see how the flavor develops.



Now to revisit a few flavors.


FA 7 leaves %5, Virginia TA %1 and Cap Green Apple %1. Last night I was leaning to a tad too heavy apple. Today it blended together very nicely and is an outstanding vape. Highly recommend.


Inawera Canadian Type %5, Garuda TA & DNB. This has become on its own a very nice creamy tobacco vape. Easily an all day vape.

Thank you for the great reviews.

 

[dannyv45]

I am curious guys what everyone means when they say TA 1%. Does that mean 1% of the super concentrated flavor as you get it from the vendor, or 1% of the diluted 10% solution?

TA in it's raw form is a thick paste like product that needs to be diluted into a concentrate. You would mix 1% of that paste into 9% base (PG/PGA) and use that concentrate at 1 - 3% in your tobacco juice recipes.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

TA in it's raw form is a thick paste like product that needs to be diluted into a concentrate. You would mix 1% of that paste into 9% base (PG/PGA) and use that concentrate at 1 - 3% in your tobacco juice recipes.

Is that '10% TA + 90% base (PG/PGA) Mixture' that is then used at 10% to 30% in the final e-juice? That would yield a final amount of TA in the e-juice of 1% to 3% TA. Or is the '10% TA Mixture' used at 1% to 3% which would yield 0.1% to 0.3% final amount of TA in the e-juice?

 

[JD1]

Is that '10% TA + 90% base (PG/PGA) Mixture' that is then used at 10% to 30% in the final e-juice? That would yield a final amount of TA in the e-juice of 1% to 3% TA. Or is the '10% TA Mixture' used at 1% to 3% which would yield 0.1% to 0.3% final amount of TA in the e-juice?

The latter. 1% of 10%.

 

[JD1]

Right on... Thanks JD
I'm under the gun a bit since she is down to her last couple 50's of the juicemafia. Now discovering using a Hangsen tobacco instead of plain base is a giant leap toward my Happy Wife goal, now its a few taste adjustments and I'm golden.
Not having mail order juice to pass customs no more, thats the best bonus.

You're welcome. Does she like vanilla and caramel? The reason I ask is because I've seen the TFA Ry4 Double mentioned in some posts along the lines of " I don't even like tobacco but I like this". It might go well as a change of pace sub for the DS, or maybe even a more complicated recipe like this one. Scutch - RWhy4 Reloaded | E-Cigarette Forum

 

[Exchaner]

The latter. 1% of 10%.

1% of 10% won't even satisfy a baby. I am vaping it at 10% and it's great; it translates to 1% of raw Rustica.

 

[Alter]

If what your saying is you used an already mixed juice with 5% cc added then JD1 is correct. Sorry for the mix up I kinda over thought the entire process and I hang my head in shame

There is no need to even think about hanging your head in shame, you've been a valuable asset in many peoples DIY juice journey in this thread, I know you've changed my way of thinking about TA's.
To me the mix smells like a light desert ship that I've added sweetener. Its no where near as strong as the straight DS I have in another bottle. I'm in no hurry to test vape it or bait and switch my wife's juice to find her reaction to the new juice.
I have finally gotten around to test vape some stand alone grapes( Cap, TFA, Natures flavors) I built weeks ago and they all are still disappointingly weak and may as well add nic to the straight concentrate and vape that cause I'd have to exceed 20% to maybe find some taste...into the closet they go. I still have a small jug of Hangsen grape that I still haven't tried. So maybe once I get my ADV tobac locked down I might get into adding fruits to my tobaccos and see if that helps pop out some flavor.
She hates vanilla but hates custard more, she can pick out custards in a vape exhale and almost makes her sick and I won't vape those around her. I haven't tried caramel since I don't like it for the reason I don't like chocolate or coffee, it has a burnt taste right from the get go

 

[JD1]

1% of 10% won't even satisfy a baby. I am vaping it at 10% and it's great; it translates to 1% of raw Rustica.

Lol. Yeal, but you're hard core! I tried it at 10% and liked it pretty good actually. I'm mostly using it with other flavors though and 1 to 2% (of the 10% solution) seems to work really well for me.

 

[JD1]

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She hates vanilla but hates custard more, she can pick out custards in a vape exhale and almost makes her sick and I won't vape those around her. I haven't tried caramel since I don't like it for the reason I don't like chocolate or coffee, it has a burnt taste right from the get go

Aha! Scratch the Ry4D then lol.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

The latter. 1% of 10%.

1% of 10% won't even satisfy a baby. I am vaping it at 10% and it's great; it translates to 1% of raw Rustica.

Lol. Yeal, but you're hard core! I tried it at 10% and liked it pretty good actually. I'm mostly using it with other flavors though and 1 to 2% (of the 10% solution) seems to work really well for me.

Us poor civilians out here...
Is there a 10X difference in flavoring quantity preference, or is clarification of math and mixing ratios needed in general in this thread? ...perhaps both!

 

[dannyv45]

Is that '10% TA + 90% base (PG/PGA) Mixture' that is then used at 10% to 30% in the final e-juice? That would yield a final amount of TA in the e-juice of 1% to 3% TA. Or is the '10% TA Mixture' used at 1% to 3% which would yield 0.1% to 0.3% final amount of TA in the e-juice?

Or is the '10% TA Mixture' used at 1% to 3% which would yield 0.1% to 0.3% final amount of TA in the e-juice?

Is the correct answer.

 

[dannyv45]

There is no need to even think about hanging your head in shame, you've been a valuable asset in many peoples DIY juice journey in this thread, I know you've changed my way of thinking about TA's.
To me the mix smells like a light desert ship that I've added sweetener. Its no where near as strong as the straight DS I have in another bottle. I'm in no hurry to test vape it or bait and switch my wife's juice to find her reaction to the new juice.
I have finally gotten around to test vape some stand alone grapes( Cap, TFA, Natures flavors) I built weeks ago and they all are still disappointingly weak and may as well add nic to the straight concentrate and vape that cause I'd have to exceed 20% to maybe find some taste...into the closet they go. I still have a small jug of Hangsen grape that I still haven't tried. So maybe once I get my ADV tobac locked down I might get into adding fruits to my tobaccos and see if that helps pop out some flavor.
She hates vanilla but hates custard more, she can pick out custards in a vape exhale and almost makes her sick and I won't vape those around her. I haven't tried caramel since I don't like it for the reason I don't like chocolate or coffee, it has a burnt taste right from the get go

Thank you for those kind words.

If you haven't added anything but fruit flavoring to those fruit mixes try adding .05% sweetener and .05% EM to those fruits, steep 24 - 48 hours and see if they improve. The EM should give the mix a thickness and the sweetener should enhance the flavor without over sweetening them. Also if you over flavored those fruits then you may have to dilute. Fruit has a nasty habit of delivering little to no taste if over flavored expecially the TFA stuff.

 

[dannyv45]

1% of 10% won't even satisfy a baby. I am vaping it at 10% and it's great; it translates to 1% of raw Rustica.

Lol. Yeal, but you're hard core! I tried it at 10% and liked it pretty good actually. I'm mostly using it with other flavors though and 1 to 2% (of the 10% solution) seems to work really well for me.

LOL!!! Boy at that percentage it should leave a pretty nasty bath tub ring around the tank

 

[dannyv45]

1% of 10% won't even satisfy a baby. I am vaping it at 10% and it's great; it translates to 1% of raw Rustica.

Us poor civilians out here...
Is there a 10X difference in flavoring quantity preference, or is clarification of math and mixing ratios needed in general in this thread? ...perhaps both!

Dang that new math there teaching in schools to the youngsters these days

 

[JD1]

Us poor civilians out here...
Is there a 10X difference in flavoring quantity preference, or is clarification of math and mixing ratios needed in general in this thread? ...perhaps both!

Lol! If I were going to vape it stand a lone I'd probably mix it at about 3 to 4%. When I tried it at 10%, I didn't perceive it as 3 times stronger than 3% though. I'm not sure that can be blamed on the math though.

 

[Exchaner]

Us poor civilians out here...
Is there a 10X difference in flavoring quantity preference, or is clarification of math and mixing ratios needed in general in this thread? ...perhaps both!

I am planning to cut down from 10% to 5 and see how much of a difference would that make; probably not that much since doubling the flavor does not always double the taste. As for the math, it's actually pretty simple: 10% of raw Rustica =.1 in decimal terms. And then, 10% of that 10% is .1x.1=.01 (Or 1%)of Raw Rustica. Of course you already know all this; just trying to test me.

 

[dannyv45]

Are you talking about cutting down the raw TA for the concentrate to 5% or were you adding 10% of the concentrate to your recipe? If it's the latter then Wow 10% to a final mix is a lot.