When does this come into effect? Should I start stocking up? And what exactly are the regulations on hardware?
FDA deeming
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I suggest stocking up. Right now the Aug 8 date says no new products allowed. The products we are now using need approved by FDA and from what I know nothing had been approved. We are not sure how hard things will get, so better to have stocked up just incase. Quite a few threads going on about stocking up. Our best hope is the law suits filed go in favor of vaping, but no one knows.
as mentioned 8/8 is the date when no new products are allowed into the market unless approved by the FDA. From 8/8 onward companies have 2 years to file approval with the FDA for all existing products.
Ofc all this can change, should change, and I pray to g*d will change in the coming future as more and more companies file suit against the FDA.
Ofc all this can change, should change, and I pray to g*d will change in the coming future as more and more companies file suit against the FDA.
Man thats {moderated} up. Guess I better start stocking up haha
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Attys and nicotine is whats going to be hard to get. Mods also,(but people talk about making them out of flashlights) so if you like what you are using now,stock up!
And now, a few words from the No, the Sky Isn't Falling gallery.
On stockpiling after FDA deeming regulations
On stockpiling after FDA deeming regulations
90 days does not equal 2 years, okay?
So You're TOTALLY PO'd over Deeming, Want to do something about it TODAY?
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
On stockpiling after FDA deeming regulations
On stockpiling after FDA deeming regulations
Bruce in Ocala, Fl-who lives in a Black Helichopter free zone
On stockpiling after FDA deeming regulations
On stockpiling after FDA deeming regulations
90 days does not equal 2 years, okay?
So You're TOTALLY PO'd over Deeming, Want to do something about it TODAY?
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
On stockpiling after FDA deeming regulations
On stockpiling after FDA deeming regulations
Bruce in Ocala, Fl-who lives in a Black Helichopter free zone
You seem to think you know something the rest of us don't know. Care to share?
I would love to think all will be well but I can't see that happening now that we have had a chance to read the deeming regs. I would love to think that they will come to their senses and change them to something reasonable. I am afraid there has been way to much money paid under the table by BT and BP because they are losing to much of it and they are not going to be happy until all we are left with is something that has already proven not to work very well.
Bruce has made his opinion known in the many threads he linked. While i agree with some of the opinions he shares (the essence seems to be "the sky's not falling"), I can't imagine anyone can read the deeming regs and not recognize the FDA's intent for a de facto ban on vaping.
Bruce may very well be correct that the deeming won't stand as written and even if it does most informed vapers can find work arounds for most of it, my opinion is nothing is certain for either scenario. With that said I think every serious vaper should be stocking up on all need items to keep vaping at they're current comfort level and should refrain from giving potentially erroneous advice to just remain calm cause everythings gonna be ok.
I fear the biggest risk to the "the sky's not falling" advice is for the more casual vapers who aren't as far down the rabbit hole getting a false sense everything is gonna be alright.
Bingo.
That would be against the law. The FDA can't do that. That is one of the main gists of the lawsuits and the House Committee request for info.
Good response Max.
As I've mentioned, the PMTA's have been in effect for 6 years now. The FDA has approved 1. Let me repeat that, One, in 6 years. The FDA's numbers are $330,000-$1,000,000 + per individual device, juice, flavor etc. There is no way Anyone could rationally argue or testify in court that wouldn't kill the industry.
Which, would be EXACTLY why the FDA Blew Off the House Committee request. No replay at all.
Even they know their position is indefensible.
Even if I knew today that all of Deeming would take effect, all the devices available now are going to be available for 2 more years anyway. There's no need to be stockpiling now, especially on perishables. Devices only if the deal is stealer deeming or not.
I would only be Really Concerned right now if I lived in just a few of the nanny states that have zeroed in on Vaping. Thankfully, I don't.
Bruce in Ocala, Fl
Well there's the rub Bruce, with the FDA's deeming they have opened a pandoras box as of 8/8. Now all the states have the lawful right to tax,regulate and stigmatize vaping at will. we have no clue whats in store for us in just a few months not years.
And I live in New England the cradle of nanny state activism.
My thoughts exactly. Each time I see the words "the sky's not falling", I cringe. It may not be falling but it is close. I don't think the regs can possibly stand as written but at this point we need all the help we can get to keep them from standing. Telling someone that has just heard about what is happening not to worry because everything is going to be alright doesn't seem to be the best route to be taking right now. They will read that and just go happily on their way thinking all is well. We need folks to know, unless we all do whatever we can to let the 'powers that be' know that we aren't going to accept this quietly then they will think we are OK with it.
Still, and well likely, it could take years to fully resolve. In the meantime the FDA and its Complicit accomplices are causing almost irreversible Damage to the Vaping industry and Public awareness of HARM REDUCTION!!!!
Here is a Thought........How many Manufacturers are going to continue to support a Stagnant(Frozen) US Market, while Advancing Technology for the rest of the World?
Just try finding a Stumpy RDA(clone)
Yeah, the hammer comes down in Indiana on July 1st. I know there are a few others already. There could be a cascade effect. A few States close their borders and clamp down in-State, that reduces the national customer base a little, vendors start pulling back, more States see the possibilities. Possible problems with the postal service. All with the FDA looming like a dark cloud on the horizon.
My concern is that it might reach a tipping point where the whole vaping supply structure starts to collapse. And that could happen even before the FDA stuff lands. How many high St shops have to get closed down and put in bankruptcy before the rest get scared. Apart from the folks here, most vapers get their supplies from gas stations or high St shops.
Even if the lawsuits against the FDA regs come out in our favor, it could all go bad. The States are all hurting for money. Indiana and the other places will show them an easy way of shoring up some revenue streams.
We are still feeling effects from the last FDA action towards the e-cig industry (2009). Merchant accounts deleted, Ebay bans the sale of e-cigs, seized shipments causing vendors to close, etc. I suspect this time around will be worse.
Still, and well likely, it could take years to fully resolve. In the meantime the FDA and its Complicit accomplices are causing almost irreversible Damage to the Vaping industry and Public awareness of HARM REDUCTION!!!!
Here is a Thought........How many Manufacturers are going to continue to support a Stagnant(Frozen) US Market, while Advancing Technology for the rest of the World?
Just try finding a Stumpy RDA(clone)
For those here on the innerwebz we are aware so we are prepped or trust our government to do the right thing.
But what of those still sick and suffering??
Sean- "sure buddy vaping is the way to go and don't believe all that ban hype"
" all you have to do is find a Chinese web site and order a mod and tank. Its illegal true but they aren't afraid to ship it to you. Screw laws, they are for little people"
"now you need some juice. Guy downtown has a "storefront". Just go up to him and say Sean said your cool. He's got the juice is his truck. The nic hasn't been stepped on to many times so its legit. If you want 6mg I'd say get the 12 and you'll be fine. I'm not sure whats in the flavoring but I haven't heard of but a couple guys dying so it must be pretty good".
So vaping is still possible after the ban but how many smokers are gonna order bootleg mods direct from China??
I love when people say China will put Mr. Chen on the label and nobody will ever know. Yeah cause this is Goodsey's store on Walton's Mountain and all the info isn't on bar codes or anything. Might as well throw in a couple automatic weapons and a small nuke since nobodies checking right??
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