FDA may soon propose regulation that could ban many/most e-cigarette products, eliminate many/most companies

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Lisa Belle

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Hi everyone and Elaine:
I got this email, just a moment ago from Senator Ward of Alabama:

I believe e-cigarettes have been amended out of the current bill that moved out of Senate Health Committee

Respectfully,

Cam Ward
State Senator
P.O. Box 1749
Alabaster, Al. 35007

Is this true and if so, then writing to them is it necessary???
 
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I am laughing again at myself! I see grammatical errors and bad syntax. I will edit it again. LOL

I applaud your motive and efforts! You are trying to argue with what is coming out of politician's mouths, rather that their true intent.

IMHO, The more we try to convince governments that, "All e-cigarette users were heavy or regular smokers who if they haven’t quit altogether 100%, most are nearly quit.", the more we are convincing them that they will be losing tobacco tax money if more e-cigs are used. I believe that fear of lost tax revenue is the driving factor behind the government's "concern" for us.

I agree with those who prefer the term "Personal Vaporizer (PV)" rather than "e-cigarette" because "e-cigarette" allows a close association with cigarettes, although they have nothing in common except nicotine. Actually, a PV has more in common with a flashlight than a cigarette!

I personally do not vape where I would not smoke, except in my own home and I consider this a courtesy to the public.

I agree with the many good points you have raised, but again, I feel lost revenue overrides their happiness for our improved health. If there was something on the market that doubled the amount a person smoked, I believe they would be much less concerned about rushing to ban it.

Again, IMHO (aka: how I see it, not necessarily the way it is).

Keep your wick wet!
 

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Okay there are 5.5 million smoking, a more accurate figure a big difference. I just got a second email from the Senator Cam Ward which reads:

Yes, it has been removed. The the bill that is being moved forward is Senate Bill 198 which was substituted in committee. When that substitute was added it struck out e-cigarettes.

Respectfully,

Cam Ward
State Senator
Post Office Box 1749
Alabaster, Alabama 35007
205-664-1066
334-242-7873
Home | Cam Ward


So does anyone know about this? I also, went to the Alabama Senate home page, and tried to look up the Bill, my search query wasn't successful.
 

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The answer lies in the middle: 45.3 million adult smokers, as of the most recent CDC report.

Adult - age 18 or over
Smoker - had even 1 puff of smoke during the past 30 days

(In my book, a smoker is someone who needs at least 1 cigarette every day. IMHO anyone who can go for days without smoking without going nuts isn't addicted.)
 

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General tips when writing to legislators:

Be brief. They have very short attention spans.
Be specific. Ask for the desired action in the first paragraph. (e.g., Please OPPOSE HB ###.)
Tell your personal story.

It's not necessary to go into a lot of detail and statistics. You'll be lucky if they read more than three paragraphs of your letter.
 

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Bullets are also helpful. If you write a paragraph with bulleted summary - sometimes you can draw the reader back to the paragraph as long as it is not to long. Note if it is to brief - it does not say anything - if it is to long - it is not worth reading. Style, content, and to the point without going over board is what works... Make the first sentence and the last sentence the most important sentences in any paragraph...
 

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Okay there are 5.5 million smoking, a more accurate figure a big difference. I just got a second email from the Senator Cam Ward which reads:




So does anyone know about this? I also, went to the Alabama Senate home page, and tried to look up the Bill, my search query wasn't successful.
If it is true---send him a NICE THANK YOU NOTE!
 

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The answer lies in the middle: 45.3 million adult smokers, as of the most recent CDC report.

Adult - age 18 or over
Smoker - had even 1 puff of smoke during the past 30 days

(In my book, a smoker is someone who needs at least 1 cigarette every day. IMHO anyone who can go for days without smoking without going nuts isn't addicted.)

I sometimes believe that number is more of a political number as opposed to a real estimate, sort of like 6662 or 443,556 smoking related deaths. When you start looking at smoking bans in hospital organizations and they tell you 35% would be affected and military bans where 45% are affected, you start to wonder where their 20% smoking rate comes from. I see smokers everywhere, certainly among young adults. Perhaps the non-smokers don't get out much. Fear is a great isolating influence and considering one whiff can kill you <sarcasm mine>.

OT, but something I found amazing on QSMB, giving up smoking was never enough, you needed to give up the nicotine. However, that is no longer enough for those radicals. You haven't succeeded in "the quit" now if you are still experiencing "the puff". They don't like E cigs much over there even when you don't use nicotine. The hand to mouth is now evil.
 

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I sometimes believe that number is more of a political number as opposed to a real estimate, sort of like 6662 or 443,556 smoking related deaths. When you start looking at smoking bans in hospital organizations and they tell you 35% would be affected and military bans where 45% are affected, you start to wonder where their 20% smoking rate comes from. I see smokers everywhere, certainly among young adults. Perhaps the non-smokers don't get out much. Fear is a great isolating influence and considering one whiff can kill you <sarcasm mine>.
Well, you live in Pennsylvania, right?

Here in California it can be very hard to find a smoker anywhere.
Seriously, you almost have to go to a bar or liquor store if you want to see a smoker.

I think the statistics might even out if you crunch all the numbers, but who knows?

OT, but something I found amazing on QSMB, giving up smoking was never enough, you needed to give up the nicotine. However, that is no longer enough for those radicals. You haven't succeeded in "the quit" now if you are still experiencing "the puff". They don't like E cigs much over there even when you don't use nicotine. The hand to mouth is now evil.
Yeah, those people are nuts.
 

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Hi Lisa Belle:

I see that you joined ECF in December 2010, but have only 51 posts (at the time of this writing). Perhaps you haven't come here on a regular basis.

There have been several petitions organized between 2009 and now. There are many currently active in other countries.

The first one in the US that I'm aware of was set up on the Petition Site in 2009. The goal was 10,000 signatures.
Petition: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/keep-life-saving-electronic-cigarettes-available/

The most recent petition was submitted to the White House.
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitio...&utm_medium=response&utm_campaign=ecigarettes

The required number of signatures was gathered and the White House responded not by telling the FDA what to do, but rather by punting the question to the FDA to answer. The response was the usual drivel about "If you want to quit, use the FDA approved medications".

Forehead smack! Gosh, why didn't we think of that before!? Duh.

Here are a couple of discussions about the results.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/legislation-news/249012-reply-fda.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...cal-snafu-petition-president-kicked-curb.html

These petitions were supported by and promoted in this forum and all gathered the target number of signatures. They had no measurable effect on the situation.

Where we have seen measurable effects when there is a specific law being proposed, a Call to Action is issued, and a large number of citizens contact the elected officials to urge them to oppose or amend the bill. There is strength in numbers, and when sufficient numbers contact the lawmakers, some of them listen.

When a restrictive law is proposed in some other city or state, everyone needs to jump on the bandwagon together. When a restrictive law gets passed in one locality, it becomes the "model" that other localities point to as justification for passing a similar law.

When a restrictive law is proposed in your own community, the most effective action you can take is to personally contact lawmakers and talk to them either in person or on the phone. Tell them your story about how a smoke-free alternative helped you escape from smoking. Ask them to keep the products available so that other smokers can escape, too. If you can't talk to the lawmakers, send them letters delivered by US mail or Fax.

If the law is being proposed in another jurisdiction, send an email.

The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association (CASAA) has a section of the web site dedicated to Calls to Action. Click "Call to Action" in the navigation bar at the top of the screen and a list drops down.

http://casaa.org/Home_Page.htmlhttp://casaa.org/Home_Page.html

Here is an example:

CTA: Alabama

Each "CTA" describes the proposed legislation, provides a link to the text of the bill, provides tips on what to say, and gives contact information for the legislators who have control over the proposed legislation (e.g., members of the House Ways and Means committee). For those who want to send an email blast, there are two email lists; one is comma-separated and the other is semi-colon separated to accommodate different email editors.


okay maybe a little late but I want to sign the petition as well or is it now closed ?
 

Lisa Belle

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Hi Debbie:
I am glad I have signed every petition. Sent numerous emails to legislatures. I will keep doing it. New email from Bill Godshall to read. I keep current by going to casaa.org and the cta's list. I'm not ready to admit it's hopeless, but it doesn't look good, liars with power, organization and influence are dominating the spin on our safer alternative.
 
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Hell the FDA can't even regulate the drugs big pharm puts on the market, I hear constantly about food that's eaten people get sick some die but they have time to mess with e-cigs. CORRUPTION, misguided priorities !!

I get so tired of writing letters. I recall one letter I wrote and the response I got back wasn't even an answer to my complaint. I wrote back and never received a reply. Might have been because I told him this is the problem with politicians they can't even read nor answer a simple letter.

Basically all that happens is your letter gets a canned response or an Aide reads and reply's then files it with the proper folder. Maybe when it gets big enough they'll pay more attention to it.

Fix the problem by voting the proper people in office. There is one I know who hates government meddling in our affairs.

This stuff gets my blood boiling and I can't even think straight enough to type this out properly.
 
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