FDA may soon propose regulation that could ban many/most e-cigarette products, eliminate many/most companies

[TennDave]

Well, the only thing going for us Vapers compared to this poor Dr. who was harassed beyond comprehension (well actually not because it all makes sense $$$), is that there are millions of us, where as there was that one Dr. It is easier for them to harass one guy than to do that to the masses. We CAN stand up - I just hope that we really do.

 

[DC2]

I know if it was Health Canada banning e-cigarettes I'd organize a march on down to HQ.

Well, they have banned sales of electronic cigarettes that contain nicotine.
And they have banned the importation of nicotine juice.

So I think you are actually worse off than we are right now.

 

[Lisa Belle]

This is a global cause, The United World of Vapers.

 

[Vocalek]

vaping, that looks like Smoking, being done defiently in no smoking zones, with devices that look like cigarettes - well, what did we really expect our legislators to do ?

Perhaps we need to make ecigs look more like a tampon applicator and claim we are using a big pharma product.... (Nicotrol inhaler in the US, dunno what they call the product in Perth.)

 

[Lisa Belle]

LOL Elaine, glad I'm here we need some humoring

 

[TrueNews]

Perhaps we need to make ecigs look more like a tampon applicator and claim we are using a big pharma product.... (Nicotrol inhaler in the US, dunno what they call the product in Perth.)

Hmm, that one got me thinking and shuddering at the same time.

Your reply in reference to a part of my post which stated:

Vaping, that looks like Smoking, being done defiently in no smoking zones, with devices that look like cigarettes - well, what did we really expect our legislators to do ?

The very next sentence in my original post said:

... Hopefully any legislation will only apply to pre-filled chinese imports, not quality built American product.

To give you some idea of what I really meant by this I have provided a picture of Australia's latest 'Stealth Vaping' technology.
(Click on picture for a larger version)



I was hoping some of you guys here could help us refine this product.
(Not many Airlines would stop you using it though, lol)


NB.
Nicotrol equivalent here is Nicorette, It is 15mg, is available without prescription, has a maximum 'recomended' daily dose of 90mg and a maximum 'recommended' use of one year. (before your next try at quitting that is).
NICORETTE® | NICORETTE® Inhalator | NICORETTE® products | Stop smoking | NICORETTE® AU

Our government here, both state and feral federal, loves NRT, and thinks that E-Cigs are "cynical devices".

 

[Vocalek]

No, the folks who want us to abstain from nicotine are the ones that are cynical.

Love the Aussie stealth-vaping device. Looks quite like my asthma inhaler when used with the spacer.

 

[mwa102464]

The FDA can kiss my Booty, they wont EVER get my vaping gear or all my Nic in the freezer, EVER !
I STAND UP, AND SO SHOULD EVERYONE ELSE !!!

by the way Great post on the Youtube, Burzynski: Cancer is Serious Business FDA Tyranny,, Just goes to show how Crooked the old boyz network of politicians of our Great Govt truly is, Right, = NOT

 

[TrueNews]

No, the folks who want us to abstain from nicotine are the ones that are cynical.

Love the Aussie stealth-vaping device. Looks quite like my asthma inhaler when used with the spacer.

OOPS - Just lost my long post to you Elaine regarding a June 2012 change to our 'Dangerous Poisons' (exemptions) legislation.

Looks like we have just had our loopholes closed, probably as a pre-amble to us all becoming 'nicotinus non gratis'.

We used to have a clause in our poisons legislation that stated that

"NICOTINE for use as an aid in withdrawal from tobacco smoking in preparations for inhalation."

would be classed in the same category as Asprin - Not anymore - Removed.
Underhand, secretive, cynicism on steroids - deliberately designed to stop vaping.

On a lighter note:
YUP, you picked my 'quick fix' for the version 2 'Aussie stealth vaping device'
Version 1 (abandoned due to proposed Fat Tax, Junk Food Tax and Plain Packaging for unhealthy FOOD - and NO I am not joking) was modelled on a 'Hot Dog'.
Actually the real reason for abandoning the concept was that we just couldn't get the 'bun' to absorb all the vapor.

Version 3 out soon

 

[MarVp]

Looks like we have just had our loopholes closed, probably as a pre-amble to us all becoming 'nicotinus non gratis'.

We used to have a clause in our poisons legislation that stated that would be classed in the same category as Asprin - Not anymore - Removed.
Underhand, secretive, cynicism on steroids - deliberately designed to stop vaping.

For real?! Looks like that is a "targeted" change to some of our legislation. Has there been any discussion about this on the Aussie forums?

 

[TrueNews]

For real?! Looks like that is a "targeted" change to some of our legislation. Has there been any discussion about this on the Aussie forums?

I don't think so, but not certain, MarVp, I only picked it up today after noticing that the legislation from 2011 had changed in June 2012.
Search on the word Nicotine - Section 2 - (Non Prescription, over the counter) no longer has nicotine in it.
Ref:
Poisons Standard 2011

Poisons Standard 2012

Spread the word mate.

 

[Vocalek]

So, TrueNews, is it now illegal to sell nicotine patches, gum, and lozenges OTC?

 

[TrueNews]

So, TrueNews, is it now illegal to sell nicotine patches, gum, and lozenges OTC?

Oh No - They are still readilly available 'over the counter' at pharmacies and I think they might even be sold at some supermarkets.

The Poisons Standard (legislative instrument) exempted the Nicotine Patches, Gum, Lozenges and Inhalers from all of its schedules by using this catchy little phrase

"NICOTINE in preparations for human therapeutic use except for use as an aid in withdrawal from tobacco smoking in preparations for oromucosal or transdermal use."

They also exempted Nicotine in cigarettes -

"in tobacco prepared and packed for smoking."

BTW. Did you know that in Australia, the tobacco tax is reveiwed each year and adjusted to compensate for lost revenue from the number of smokers who have given up the habit in that year ?

No wonder they want to stop vaping - cigarettes could be a $100 a pack soon.

Did you mention CYNICAL before ?

 

[MarVp]

Schedule 4 - "NICOTINE in preparations for human therapeutic use except for use as an aid in withdrawal from tobacco smoking in preparations for oromucosal or transdermal use."
Schedule 7 - except - "in tobacco prepared and packed for smoking."

So effectively looks like Nicotine is completely removed from Schedule 2 (need license to sell, same class as aspirin) where it once specifically existed for inhalation. In class 4 (prescription required) it is there for therapeutic use, except where used as an aid for withdraw from smoking. In class 7 all other nicotine use exists (where it can't be used for domestic or domestic garden purposes), unless it is used in therapeutic or you are buying it packaged and ready to transform it into 4000 deadly chemicals and suck it to the bottom of your lungs.

I wonder if Health and Ageing publish anywhere their thinking behind the changes they make to such standards (perhaps an explanation). It would be interesting to know whether influences had come more from the Pharmaceutical or Tobacco industry. Nothing like recommending states and territories align their legislation to ensure smokers are kept on the NRT/Smoking merry-go-round and removing the ability for someones to persue an effective harm minimization strategy when dealing with their own health problem.

 

[DC2]

So effectively looks like Nicotine is completely removed from Schedule 2 (need license to sell, same class as aspirin) where it once specifically existed for inhalation. In class 4 (prescription required) it is there for therapeutic use, except where used as an aid for withdraw from smoking. In class 7 all other nicotine use exists (where it can't be used for domestic or domestic garden purposes), unless it is used in therapeutic or you are buying it packaged and ready to transform it into 4000 deadly chemicals and suck it to the bottom of your lungs.

It looks like Australia is well ahead of the game.
I'm pretty sure this is the direction that all countries will be heading soon enough.

Big Pharma wants to own nicotine, and they probably will some day.
Unless we stop them.

 

[Lisa Belle]

They might as well own caffeine too

 

[MarVp]

Big Pharma wants to own nicotine, and they probably will some day.
Unless we stop them.

Interesting. Had not thought of it like that.

I'll still have my tomatoes though!

 

[Lisa Belle]

some study or dimestore health book I read, only a passage of, suggested all nightshade family plants, tomatoes, eggplant, tobacco etc., could worsen or be an agent in making osteoarthritis symptoms intensify....LLA LAH LAH, I am ready to fly to a new planet LOL wait.... not just yet!

 

[TrueNews]

I wonder if Health and Ageing publish anywhere their thinking behind the changes they make to such standards (perhaps an explanation). It would be interesting to know whether influences had come more from the Pharmaceutical or Tobacco industry..

Guess what - I found it - and it makes interesting reading.

TGA - Reasons for Change to the 2011 legislation (Detailed reasons about Nicotine start on page 72)
http://www.tga.gov.au/pdf/scheduling/scheduling-decisions-1108-interim-a.pdf

On first reading, I was very cynical that they had just removed the loophole in schedule 2, but on reading the 'Reasons for Change to the 2011 legislation' I am now, not so sure.
(As this is getting a slightly off topic, for FDA matters, see the sticky-'Official Documents and Resource Information' on aussievapers for the whole post and info)

 

[TrueNews]

some study or dimestore health book I read, only a passage of, suggested all nightshade family plants, tomatoes, eggplant, tobacco etc., could worsen or be an agent in making osteoarthritis symptoms intensify....LLA LAH LAH, I am ready to fly to a new planet LOL wait.... not just yet!

Depending on who you read, or in the case of government, get forced to listen to - Everything on this Earth is bad for you.

I'll look out for your 'Vapor Trail' when you emigrate
(Is that the right word for inter Planetary migration ?)

PS.
Send me a Postcard