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Has any found a supplier or company that has tobacco e-juice like or very similar to MFS Turbosmog, Tall Paul, or Red Luck?
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FDA may soon propose regulation that could ban many/most e-cigarette products, eliminate many/most companies
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Whata ya want to bet when they do respond ...
we will get a generic thank-you along with a Quit or Die message
and informing us of the FDA Approved BP garbage ??!!
Whata ya want to bet when they do respond ...
we will get a generic thank-you along with a Quit or Die message
and informing us of the FDA Approved BP garbage ??!!
What?? Like the last petition's "response"? Noooo....! 8-o
Ya know I was thinking...Why don't we try to get some media on this?...Such as a Good Morning America spot...Maybe Bill Godshall could go on the air...I believe there are alot of never-smokers that may not understand the reasons we vape but they do understand that quitting smoking even with vaping is better for you. Maybe we should try to get some Big Media in on this constant takeover by the FDA I believe it could be a positive force in our fight for liberation.
If we can find a way to get media coverage, you can rest assured we will be doing so.
However, even if we can find a way, I think we probably should wait until we see what the proposed regulations look like.
I agree, I guess it would not make sense to fire our ammo until we see what it is we are firing at. I do though have a question DC......Do you know if our "house pros" and CASAA leadership have strong media contacts for when the time does come?
No, I don't know.
It seems that Bill Godshall has a lot of media contacts and has gotten a few stories rolling.
And I get the distinct feeling that Elaine Keller is constantly working on developing some contacts of her own.
I haven't really seen anyone posting in this forum indicate that they are in the media, or have any media contacts.
And that is something that has always surprised me, because I'm sure there MUST be some.
I have registered with the CASAA as soon as I started reading these legislative posts I joined. It just seems to me we talk alot about what the FDA will do but we don't talk a lot about what we will do. I for one believe that going back to analogs is completely unacceptable, but if a ban or very severe regulations take place (IE No more liquids available, online sales, liq nic) What are we going to do? I have seen no plan for this. I also don't see a plan to fight these Regulations. Yes, I have seen a petition/letters to congress, white house, but we are not going to get support from these places. We need support from the people of America, we need media now not after regulations have been proposed, at least, to start making normal people aware of PVs and the good it has done for all of us if not we will just be a blip on the news reel in one day and be gone.
We need action/awareness/a campaign now not later. Or else it will be too late.
We need action/awareness/a campaign now not later. Or else it will be too late.
Welcome to Regulation Nation
If ya come up with any ideas we haven't already tried ...
Ya might want to run it by CASAA ... Odds are we already have "been there done that".
If the FDA isn't challenged in court ...
They will shake us off like a bad case of the fleas !!
How do we challenge them in court then?
I don't think we can have then "been there done that" attitude or else we WILL lose the fight.
Remember even fleas, if bad enough, can kill.
As a user of e-cigarettes since May 2010, who is happy to never smoke again, unless it becomes less expensive to smoke than vape! HB372 This bill will undo the benefits of not smoking, that 3 million American’s and countless others world-wide have had the miraculous pleasure to have been able to afford, and use! We are growing in numbers exponentially and what are you doing, making cigarettes that have cancer causing chemicals and scientifically proven to cause diseases and death, statistics don’t lie and real science doesn’t either! I am opposed to your non-sensible Bill # HB372 on many grounds. Just because it looks like smoking doesn’t mean it’s bad. I loved the old movies, with puffs or clouds and so do many other “baby-boomers”, we grew up with our idols using hand to mouth behaviors, and they do not lose their appeal to the largest population of over 50 years old, to have ever graced this planet at one time. Better than fingernail biting and thumb sucking!!!
I smoked for over 40 years. I could not go to bed without an orchestra of wheezing in harmony, it was not very entertaining or did it signify that I was in good lung health. After using an e-cigarette which alleviates cravings for SMOKING, within 1.5 yrs. of usage, I could again at age 58, ride a bicycle for a 30 mi. round trip.........go figure, before, and while still smoking I just gasped for breath while climbing stairs.
Then there is the stigma and shame. My entire smoking life, was judged in pointed negativity by the many groups including (big Government, FDA), that would now rather that aging and ailing smoker’s continue to smoke (?) which increases US tax dollars across the board, to cover the medical expenses related to smoking diseases, {though, most of these groups, have revenues that increase with the dollars; the profits gained by having an entire generation of aging smokers succumbing to smoking related diseases. Big Pharmaceutical corporations with their shareholders world-wide, will not be able to buy that next BMW ha ha!} just look at the facts and figures, be courageous enough to trust the new and proven tobacco harm reduction product(s), non combustible, non-smoking usage of nicotine, colloquialism: e-cigarettes and snus. It is proven scientifically that e-cigarettes are 98% less harmful than smoking is!!! (and that is a low estimate)
Don’t the politicians, of the Great State of Utah, campaign that they are in support of small businesses? Wasting time on TV, spending lot’s of money on campaign promises for the 15 minute prime-time slot of telling small business, they are supported. If this BILL # HB372, is passed Utah will lose a growing segment of small businesses, start ups and shops that will move out of state. The e-cigarette industry in the USA, is an all grass roots, all American effort to improve the economy and create JOBS, billion of dollars in sales that is growing by leaps and bounds. It is a self-regulating health conscious effort that smoker’s leave cigarettes for and like, these small businesses get reviewed regularly on public forums, which educate, new e-cigarette users, that become x- smokers. They do it without the primetime slot you politicians have at your fingertips, then they clearly communicate that there are safer and affordable alternatives to SMOKING! What Utah’s bill # HB372 will do, is set a precedent to other money conscious leaders and their lobbyists, while claiming to be anti- tax raisers, the same politicians that let lobbyists write our legislation instead of their real constituents. So ridiculously foreign to our Constitution or Bill of Rights “...of the people and/or by the people”. What do you want another “Boston Tea Party”? Or the money, just the tax dollars that will help maintain the status quo, no matter how many millions of Americans will suffer and die from not having an affordable tobacco harm product(s) available? Utah’s government can educate itself by visiting CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association, an organization that is not profitting from BIG TOBACCO or BIG PHARMA. In fact, this organisation will educate every or anyone interested in Tobacco Harm Reduction with links to: Studies (truthful; scientific not what’s on the FDA website), safe alternatives that consumers of tobacco, who have tried the costly prescribed methods that profits statistics and facts show who profits, the MD’s, Health Insurance Corporations, Big Pharmaceutical Corps and last but least, waiving the low down bad finger towards Big Tobacco who actually does sell smokeless products, finally. E- cigarettes and Snus should be available to all and most importantly be affordable! If your state wants to be remembered for being courageous and patriotic,please remove The Great State of Utah’s Bill # HB372 let people live and this bill die! If smoker’s wanted to quit that would be different, most of us don’t!
Just start writing, then get another gmail account, to protect yo self, and go to casaa.org and do the Call To Actions, email 500 representatives and senators, per state LOL. I'm doing it, even if my fingers fall off, hope they don't being an artist, I am rather fond of my fingers.
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I smoked for over 40 years. I could not go to bed without an orchestra of wheezing in harmony, it was not very entertaining or did it signify that I was in good lung health. After using an e-cigarette which alleviates cravings for SMOKING, within 1.5 yrs. of usage, I could again at age 58, ride a bicycle for a 30 mi. round trip.........go figure, before, and while still smoking I just gasped for breath while climbing stairs.
Then there is the stigma and shame. My entire smoking life, was judged in pointed negativity by the many groups including (big Government, FDA), that would now rather that aging and ailing smoker’s continue to smoke (?) which increases US tax dollars across the board, to cover the medical expenses related to smoking diseases, {though, most of these groups, have revenues that increase with the dollars; the profits gained by having an entire generation of aging smokers succumbing to smoking related diseases. Big Pharmaceutical corporations with their shareholders world-wide, will not be able to buy that next BMW ha ha!} just look at the facts and figures, be courageous enough to trust the new and proven tobacco harm reduction product(s), non combustible, non-smoking usage of nicotine, colloquialism: e-cigarettes and snus. It is proven scientifically that e-cigarettes are 98% less harmful than smoking is!!! (and that is a low estimate)
Don’t the politicians, of the Great State of Utah, campaign that they are in support of small businesses? Wasting time on TV, spending lot’s of money on campaign promises for the 15 minute prime-time slot of telling small business, they are supported. If this BILL # HB372, is passed Utah will lose a growing segment of small businesses, start ups and shops that will move out of state. The e-cigarette industry in the USA, is an all grass roots, all American effort to improve the economy and create JOBS, billion of dollars in sales that is growing by leaps and bounds. It is a self-regulating health conscious effort that smoker’s leave cigarettes for and like, these small businesses get reviewed regularly on public forums, which educate, new e-cigarette users, that become x- smokers. They do it without the primetime slot you politicians have at your fingertips, then they clearly communicate that there are safer and affordable alternatives to SMOKING! What Utah’s bill # HB372 will do, is set a precedent to other money conscious leaders and their lobbyists, while claiming to be anti- tax raisers, the same politicians that let lobbyists write our legislation instead of their real constituents. So ridiculously foreign to our Constitution or Bill of Rights “...of the people and/or by the people”. What do you want another “Boston Tea Party”? Or the money, just the tax dollars that will help maintain the status quo, no matter how many millions of Americans will suffer and die from not having an affordable tobacco harm product(s) available? Utah’s government can educate itself by visiting CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association, an organization that is not profitting from BIG TOBACCO or BIG PHARMA. In fact, this organisation will educate every or anyone interested in Tobacco Harm Reduction with links to: Studies (truthful; scientific not what’s on the FDA website), safe alternatives that consumers of tobacco, who have tried the costly prescribed methods that profits statistics and facts show who profits, the MD’s, Health Insurance Corporations, Big Pharmaceutical Corps and last but least, waiving the low down bad finger towards Big Tobacco who actually does sell smokeless products, finally. E- cigarettes and Snus should be available to all and most importantly be affordable! If your state wants to be remembered for being courageous and patriotic,please remove The Great State of Utah’s Bill # HB372 let people live and this bill die! If smoker’s wanted to quit that would be different, most of us don’t!
Just start writing, then get another gmail account, to protect yo self, and go to casaa.org and do the Call To Actions, email 500 representatives and senators, per state LOL. I'm doing it, even if my fingers fall off, hope they don't being an artist, I am rather fond of my fingers.
NOT 
How do we challenge them in court then?
I don't think we can have then "been there done that" attitude or else we WILL lose the fight.
Remember even fleas, if bad enough, can kill.
I may be wrong, but I believe when shipments were getting seized a few years back, they were challenged in court, and lost.
yeah let's see if it loses or wins in April when deeming regulations seize what's affordable now 
I have joined CASAA, but cannot find on their page or anywhere else the regulations that people are saying the FDA will consider in April. Where can I find those proposed regulations? The CASAA page has links to the regulations being proposed in each state that is considering them, but no link to any nation-wide regulations.
I'm sure this must be available somewhere on this forum so I hope someone will point me in the right direction. I like to read the fine print and to be truly educated rather than just read headlines-only-style reporting.
I'm sure this must be available somewhere on this forum so I hope someone will point me in the right direction. I like to read the fine print and to be truly educated rather than just read headlines-only-style reporting.
Hello bigbells
Here is a link to their facebook page we are casaa https://www.facebook.com/groups/casaamembers/?ref=ts&fref=ts There is mucho info about all the FDA and more States enacting exorbitant tax hikes on e-cigarettes and supplies. State by state we are in a fight for our choice to vape. I am so glad, you are vaping and wish to get involved. Utah is about to make 86% tax hike on everything electronic cigarette related. I have been writing to their State Reps. and Senators. Emailing, hoping thousands of other concerned vapers in the US are too. Welcome, to having your breath back.
Here is a link to their facebook page we are casaa https://www.facebook.com/groups/casaamembers/?ref=ts&fref=ts There is mucho info about all the FDA and more States enacting exorbitant tax hikes on e-cigarettes and supplies. State by state we are in a fight for our choice to vape. I am so glad, you are vaping and wish to get involved. Utah is about to make 86% tax hike on everything electronic cigarette related. I have been writing to their State Reps. and Senators. Emailing, hoping thousands of other concerned vapers in the US are too. Welcome, to having your breath back.
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Still hoping that someone can supply detailed information on any proposed FDA regulations, which I cannot find on this site, the CASAA site, or the CASAA Facebook page. Plenty of info on regulations being proposed by individual states, none that I can find on regulations being considered by the FDA.
Thanks, that's helpful. I can't find where the month of the legislative proposal is given.
Dumb question, probably: is tobacco the only reasonable source for nicotine, or is it made from other substances as well?
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