FDA may soon propose regulation that could ban many/most e-cigarette products, eliminate many/most companies

[Petrodus]

I expect that a new thread will be started once the FDA actually releases its proposed regulations.

I predict there will be MANY new threads in several forums
and few will give a hoot about Political Correctness !!

 

[aubergine]

I do remember the Sunvapor thread... I must have read 500 pages just to catch up when I first discovered it. Different feel to it altogether, somehow, and interesting bits of info and updates were ongoing as here, as was tons of discussion. There needs to be a stickied FDA legislation thread it seems to me, perhaps for the sake of convenience limited to actual reportage of events directly related to that action and its direct players as things unfold. Then we wouldn't have to try to remember where amongst the threads to search for it or, for that matter, where to conduct general and possibly heated and partisan political conversations if so minded. That way, as Petrodus suggests, there might be zillions of threads where those interested in opining about the state of the union in general and any other damned thing could happily hang out. (Not me - I do that blogging elsewhere, frequently.) It's not about political correctness, yeesh, it's about the function of this thread.
And thanks, kristen, for your receptivity and unflappable civility.

 

[flintlock62]

I personally think a new sticky should be posted for FDA updates, where no comments are allowed. That would leave out personal opinions, and rants!

 

[DC2]

There needs to be a stickied FDA legislation thread it seems to me, perhaps for the sake of convenience limited to actual reportage of events directly related to that action and its direct players as things unfold.

That's a really good idea, and that's exactly what they eventually did with the NJoy vs FDA court case threads.

 

[aubergine]

"Updates" there wouldn't need to be definitive and after-the-fact final - it's always relevant to read about ongoing political shifts in this action and who is saying what amongst the players and explanations of nuances in the process and items at hand and such. That'd be very helpful after the ruling for that matter, too.
And if there's simply nothing, one click makes that clear and we don't need to waste time listening to the equivalent of a radio show that we'd not find interesting in any case, and can go review juices or jump out the window or line up our apocalypse stash or something.

 

[Petrodus]

Who's going to be in charge of keeping the thread current?
There should be a reference to who should be PMd for suggested additions

 

[flintlock62]

The moderators should be in charge of that.

Who's going to be in charge of keeping the thread current?
There should be a reference to who should be PMd for suggested additions

 

[kristin]

Don't forget folks can get uncluttered FDA updates on the CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association website! (Shameless plug, lol!)

 

[flintlock62]

Factual information beats personal opinion every day!

Don't forget folks canget uncluttered FDA updates on the CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association website! (Shameless plug, lol!)

 

[Berylanna]

Don't forget folks canget uncluttered FDA updates on the CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association website! (Shameless plug, lol!)

Bill and others get insider chats and information that don't rate CASAA posting but do get our blood moving! I assume someone would bring things to their attention of something interesting shows up on another thread, though.

 

[aubergine]

That was my thought, too Berlyanna.

 

[Koman]

Yep, thanks for relinking Berylanna!

 

[jlew]

wasnt the deeming regulations supposed to be "BY" april?
Im certain our government doesnt work weekends.

Or any other day if you really want to get technical

""BY" April" -- April Fools!

 

[jlew]

I don't know how many of you have been seeing some of the new commercials out there...

As we know, Blu has been advertising quite a bit, but it also looks like the FDA/BPharma/etc.,
have also been getting in on the Bandwagon with NRT Patch Commercials.
I have been seeing Nicoderm CQ commercials quite often as well as one Gum commercial.

Perhaps, if some of the other e-cig mfg's (Joyetech, Vision, Smok, etc., out there would do this,
it might help to get more recognition and also show that "Analog Look-a-likes" are not the only
e-cigs around and that millions are using them (of various types and models/makers).

I should guess that there are people within this forum who not only have the know how to
make good commercials, I would be willing to bet with avg person support and the CASAA,
some commercials could be put on TV that could show good comparison and competition
between Blu, FDA/BP, and others...

I would say something like this could help to push for a stable marketing of products other
than just NJoy, Blu, and the NRT's being advertised.

And... if a commercial is made and accepted and found to be similar to Blu's (in not only
method but in manufacturing), the FDA may have to retract some and permit the Newer
products because of their similarity with Blu and others.

Isn't that the main thing we are trying to get across? that they are the same or very
similar, and should not be pulled or regulated out simply because of a "grandfathering?

 

[DC2]

I imagine everyone would love to do a commercial, but the cost is pretty prohibitive...
The Cost Of 30 Second TV Commercial On Primetime TV Fall 2012: And You Only Want to Pay What for the Domain | Domain Shane

Below is the cost of a 30 SECOND commercial on American Prime Time Television. Yes 30 Seconds. Half a million dollars for 30 seconds. $30,000 for 30 seconds on a terrible show.

 

[crownedsparrow]

Whoa that is expensive considering DVR.

 

[jlew]

Put them on PBS or Local Public stations that are run by local (small community) stations.

I can't see how they would cost that much considering most commercials run for months on end
and a hundred times a day... No company could afford (or would afford it) -- That would be costing
in the millions for a month worth of advertising.

So if not TV -- Paper and Phone Book Ads


I saw a commercial for the Nicoderm CQ the other night and it was sort of funny...

Guys in a bar - one turns to the other and says
"Would you care for one" (handing him a cigarette)
The guy hesitates and then says
"Mmm no thank you, I'm good." (showing the patch on his arm).

Took him a few seconds to decide if he really wanted a cigarette or not...

The funniest part is how it says "Nicoderm CQ, Curb the Desire" ...

Curb the desire my ... lol

 

[aikanae1]

Another idea would be by combining with an outreach effort to expose more people to the benefits of e-cig's. Panda recently gave away a free disposal that was so successful they had to shut it down. There is a lot of interest and what smoker wouldn't want to quit if they knew they could? For everyone smoker that tries an e-cig, there are usually several non-smokers that are educated that vapor is not the same as second-hand smoke.

I don't know the details of how this would work, but I think there could be a way to offer some sort of a starter kit at cost (or less) with CASAA information to educate and inform the public. Until a person tries an e-cig, it's all words and hard to believe that they are not another toy or "gadget" or latest Apple iCig.

I'm sure there are people on the forum that would help fund an outreach program, maybe a few manufacturers willing to discount or donate to it as well. This would expand CASAA membership immediatley. This is not unlike what a company would do with a new product. Hopefully this would generate word of mouth advertising and that can be highly effective and efficient.

Smoking is a public health issue and I suspect it's had an additional spotlight since it appears there will be an additional surcharge allowed with the new medical insurance packages. It's also an enviromental issue since many cities claim that cigarette butts are their number 1 litter problem. Everyone has a stake in this whether they smoke or not, they benefit from wider e-cig useage. They just may not be aware of it yet.

 

[brooke2775]

Im not seeing anything on the FDA website about the hearing that was set, is it still gonna happen?

 

[swissfactor]

I wish these control freaks would take their hands out of our pockets and focus on more pressing issues. All of my e-cig purchases are shipped from the US and my money I spend goes into the hands of other taxpaying US citizens. I am stimulating my economy and helping these small time businesses grow and flourish in an otherwise stagnant economy. Pardon me for finding an alternative to paying the white bearded aristocrats of big tobacco for my hobbies and habits. They are trying to stifle small businesses in the e-cig arena in an effort to grab whatever they can from an idea that wasnt theirs. It's like a bad manager who's fledgeling musician just had a radio hit, they're trying to cash in on the big money before the vocal talents can thoroughly be explored (sorry for the bad analogy). There are so many small companies who are bringing creativity and expression into this business, creating with their hearts and sweat and tears in an attempt to make it in a sea of over-manufacturing and cookie cutter products. With the FDA's hands in this equation, many taxes and regulations will overpower the little guys trying to make an honest effort in this business. Only the strongest will make it out unscathed (partially due to lining the pockets of these fat cats), and the creativity that spawns from heart and dedication to mom and pop business shall be smothered in the sea of paperwork and legal fees. Why are there so many McDonalds and Burger King's in this world? They have the buying power to overcome the many obstacles of legality and regulation, while mom and pop suffer 90 hr work weeks just to make enough to keep the lights on. Big government stifles the creativity that spawned the US and brought it to its days of glory. These were the days where your hard work and sweat determined how much you brought to your dinner table, not how many politicians you can pay off to in an attempt to ignore your missteps and wrong decisions. Let's stop these guys from crushing so many dreams and hopes of hardworking Americans. Let's stand united in an attempt to keep the freedoms and our right to choose who and what we spend our hard earned money on.