FDA may soon propose regulation that could ban many/most e-cigarette products, eliminate many/most companies

[flintlock62]

Yup, agree with it or not, get rid of the 2nd amendment, and it makes it a lot easier to get rid of the 1st.

It seems like the government wants total control of our lives, no matter what.

Precious Freedoms
If you do Not fight for them ... You WILL lose them (period)

 

[DC2]

It seems like the government wants total control of our lives, no matter what.

And you know who is helping them get it done?
The people that want to protect their precious children from everything.

If you are reading this, and you are one of them, please stop being one of them.
The future of our country and our freedom depends on it.

Just be a parent to your children, and leave the rest of us alone.
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[flintlock62]

I hate to admit it, but my parents tried their best to protect me from the world.

And you know who is helping them get it done?
The people that want to protect their precious children from everything.

If you are reading this, and you are one of them, please stop being one of them.
The future of our country and our freedom depends on it.

Just be a parent to your children, and leave the rest of us alone.
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[kristin]

I hate to admit it, but my parents tried their best to protect me from the world.

Makes one wonder, if parents who live with and love a child cannot protect that child from his/her own bad choices, how does the public keep believing that the government will be able to do better?

 

[flintlock62]

Probably the same one's who got the free cell phones!

Makes one wonder, if parents who live with and love a child cannot protect that child from his/her own bad choices, how does the public keep believing that the government will be able to do better?

 

[kristin]

Probably the same one's who got the free cell phones!

Yep, because government intervention has also worked so well for those folks when it comes to education, crime, obesity, drug abuse...even seat belt use.

 

[sbdivemaster]

Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.

--Robert A. Heinlein

 

[Petrodus]

Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.
--Robert A. Heinlein

Guess that's why those who wish to be controlled ...
never met an expansion of the socialist nanny welfare state...they didn't like.
Mmmm ...

 

[kristin]

Guess that's why those who wish to be controlled ...
never met an expansion of the socialist nanny welfare state...they didn't like.
Mmmm ...

Except no one wants to be controlled. Those who support big government do so with the expectation that its the OTHER people the government will control. They always seem to be shocked when the very laws, rules and regulations intended to fix things just make things worse and bite them in the ..... Prohibition and the War on Drugs are perfect examples. Of course, they never see how their laws caused the worse problems, so they just pass more laws, waste more money and take away more freedoms. The definition of insanity....

 

[Petrodus]

Except no one wants to be controlled. Those who support big government do so with the expectation that its the OTHER people the government will control. They always seem to be shocked when the very laws, rules and regulations intended to fix things just make things worse and bite them in the ..... Prohibition and the War on Drugs are perfect examples. Of course, they never see how their laws caused the worse problems, so they just pass more laws, waste more money and take away more freedoms. The definition of insanity....

THEY believe they know what is best and they will decide
what freedoms will and will not be allowed. Anything that
is not politically sanctioned should be forbidden.

They want us all to be the children of the world
that they will guide.

THEY never met an expansion of the socialist nanny welfare state...they didn't like.

 

[rockymtnrobin]

THEY believe they know what is best and they will decide
what freedoms will and will not be allowed. Anything that
is not politically sanctioned should be forbidden.

They want us all to be the children of the world
that they will guide.

THEY never met an expansion of the socialist nanny welfare state...they didn't like.

I don't know about guide. I think " it's children of the world that they can control"

 

[Whosback]

I was going to post but I'm still waiting for the government to tell me what to say.

 

[Petrodus]

I was going to post but I'm still waiting for the government to tell me what to say.

 

[frosting]

What's the likelihood of nicotine liquid being prohibited in April? That's my current burning question.

 

[DC2]

What's the likelihood of nicotine liquid being prohibited in April? That's my current burning question.

Based on recent information, it's looking like April is not even close to when this is going to happen.
Right now it's looking a lot more like sometime in the summer months.

But to answer your question, nobody really knows the likelihood.
My guess, which is nothing more than a guess, is that shutting down free-roaming nicotine would be their highest goal.

It's the one thing that could kill everyone but the Big tobacco and Big Pharma players.

 

[frosting]

Based on recent information, it's looking like April is not even close to when this is going to happen.
Right now it's looking a lot more like sometime in the summer months.

But to answer your question, nobody really knows the likelihood.
My guess, which is nothing more than a guess, is that shutting down free-roaming nicotine would be their highest goal.

It's the one thing that could kill everyone but the Big tobacco and Big Pharma players.

Thanks I appreciate the info. I just got paid and went to wizard to buy stuff to see everything I was looking for sold out. It was pretty mortifying.

 

[DC2]

Thanks I appreciate the info.

If you want to hear the most recent information directly from the source...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/vp-live/236786-vp-live-vape-team-7.html#post9009013

Listen to the part where Bill Godshall is interviewed.

 

[rockymtnrobin]

Thanks I appreciate the info. I just got paid and went to wizard to buy stuff to see everything I was looking for sold out. It was pretty mortifying.

I stalked WL for a good 10 days and when RTS Vapes had nic I bought!
All I'm sure of is, the rules keep changing at neck breaking speed.

 

[flintlock62]

WL is being swamped by people here on ECF, and other e-cig sites over the worry of what the FDA may do. Everyone is running scared and stocking up. I'm a little guilty too.

Thanks I appreciate the info. I just got paid and went to wizard to buy stuff to see everything I was looking for sold out. It was pretty mortifying.

 

[Racehorse]

Probably the same one's who got the free cell phones!

And hopefully, the same ones who have neglected teeth, tattered clothing.....and don't have a car (even if they bought it BEFORE losing a job, having unexpected healthcare expenses that devastated their finances, or just generally falling on hard times) lest they appear to the judgemental that they're not needy enough.

There but for the grace of God go I (and you) ........

It sure makes it difficult for me to feel compassion for people worried about getting their nicotine fix with vaping, when some of you seem so judgemental toward your fellow human beings (who may, for whatever reason, including being part of the working poor, or ill or disabled and poverty stricken) and need a free cell phone just to call 911 or a make a doctor's appointment for their kids.

I know people in this situation here in Arkansas and I don't begrudge them a cell phone, since I know the their poignant stories.

Be grateful you are not in that situation. Life savings can be easily wiped out, no matter how much you planned and worked, if ONE of your loved ones gets a long drawn out illness like cancer.

We are all humbled in this life. Many of those who champion "survival of the fittest" consciously or unconsciously feel that they are among the fittest who will survive................until they are humbled by tragedy and just life itself.

It's been my experience that people who sense their own fallibility are the strongest and wisest human beings.

So, I do find it interesting how some vapers don't like the judgementalism of the ANTZ etc., don't like being referred to as addicts ---- but seem to have no problem judging other people for ---- whatever......

just a thought