FDA to propose rule on ecigarettes Monday 4-28-2014

[Kryyptyk]

...Wow. Just saw this too...

"This rule is consistent with other approaches that the Agency has taken to address the tobacco epidemic and is particularly necessary given that consumer use may be gravitating to the proposed deemed products."

So...FDA thinks we're part of this 'tobacco epidemic'...gee, thanks FDA.

 

[Talyon]

...Wow. Just saw this too...

"This rule is consistent with other approaches that the Agency has taken to address the tobacco epidemic and is particularly necessary given that consumer use may be gravitating to the proposed deemed products."

So...FDA thinks we're part of this 'tobacco epidemic'...gee, thanks FDA.

I've no doubt that some here on ECF are, and that is truly sad.....

 

[CassiusCloud]

If they list this as tobacco product, then we will just have to infest their food supply and extract our need, until there is nothing left and they have came for everyone's goodies..
only then shall we have a full on rebellion
What say we hit the peppers industry next

 

[Sirius]

Truth be known the wording of e-cigarette could just be the answer to our problems here. I don't use a e-cig I use a mechanical vaping device. The juice I use is customized or DIY and my atty is rebuildable dripper that I maintain.
Come on now people, the more complicated we make it the longer it will take them to regulate us. Maybe by the time they get to us mechanical and RDA users they will only be into page 5000 of vol.10 of the FDA Regulations sometime near the year 2029.

I suppose that that really wouldn't matter because the only real way they can damage us is with banning online sales of e-liquids. We are way to organized now to even let that stop us. Most of us would just go underground with the nic-liquids and anything else anyone would need. We'll find a way. Vaping is way to important to those of us that were burdened by the tobacco industry for so many years imo.

 

[Sirius]

If they list this as tobacco product, then we will just have to infest their food supply and extract our need, until there is nothing left and they have came for everyone's goodies..
only then shall we have a full on rebellion
What say we hit the peppers industry next

Yeah "Doom Is On" once again for e-cigs! Lets riot! hehe

 

[paigekoontz]

I'm pretty sure I disagree with this line of thinking. Pigeon holing what we do in with tobacco products will provide the government with the immediate justification they need to tax the hell out of us after they've made the product virtually unusable.

I originally thought regulation might be a good thing but after educating a little and reflecting on personal experiences, I can no longer say such a thing. I think that juice manufacturers who proactively disclose their ingredients on their labels are wise in doing so. I also think that our best bet is for those who make juice on a mass level come together to agree to a set of "best practice guidelines".

I also think that vendors - specifically on the local front - should pull their heads out of their a$$es and hold themselves to standards in terms of WHO they sell to (at least two shops sell to kids locally), as well as HOW they position the product ("you can smoke these anywhere").

Worthy of note, many vendors, suppliers, and manufacturers are already setting/maintaining the bar in terms of standards.

I can say from personal experience, we do not need government oversight. We don't want or need the FDA to get involved and we don't need the government telling us how we should do what we do. From personal experience, government is good at taxing things to death and ruining some businesses to benefit others. They're not good at taking a real world, sensible approach to things.

Well first of all, it is a tobacco product as of 2009 when the FDA was trying to ban us all together. We have to have regulation, there's no way around it. It's a product on a shelf, you can't just have it unregulated so I'm unclear about what your proposed the plan of action is? And if we don't need government oversight, what do you propose? We let each state handle it? Is it safe to assume you're not from a state that has already imposed a 95% tax on electronic cigarettes? Every state creating their own regulations will not help this industry. Like in California for instance, where they are trying to ban ecomerce sales (online). I know that national regulation will be tough, but it will not be worse that each state creating and implementing their own rules.

 

[Sirius]

Well first of all, it is a tobacco product as of 2009 when the FDA was trying to ban us all together. We have to have regulation, there's no way around it. It's a product on a shelf, you can't just have it unregulated so I'm unclear about what your proposed the plan of action is? And if we don't need government oversight, what do you propose? We let each state handle it? Is it safe to assume you're not from a state that has already imposed a 95% tax on electronic cigarettes? Every state creating their own regulations will not help this industry. Like in California for instance, where they are trying to ban ecomerce sales (online). I know that national regulation will be tough, but it will not be worse that each state creating and implementing their own rules.

Where there's a will there's a way Paige. Online sales isn't the only answer and products such as e-liquids consumed my humans should be safe I agree but regulated? No way. Regulation brings on taxation and that's a given.

 

[pamdis]

NO!!! NO NO , NO! I DON'T WANT TO BE FORCED TO GO BACK TO SMOKING! Unbelievable! ....finally I was able to quit smoking.! Why do they want to kill me!

Because you're not paying your confiscatory cigarette taxes anymore.

ETA: Oh, and also, because you had the audacity to break the never ending "cigarette - NRT - cigarette - different NRT - cigarette - different NRT - cigarette - etc. etc." cycle with a product that those in the cycle loop didn't create for you.

 

[CassiusCloud]

Yeah "Doom Is On" once again for e-cigs! Lets riot! hehe

Wait ,Before we do ,have to get our tunes..
Everyone lets synchronize our iPods..

I actually got a chill listening to this,because it fits like a wet suit.

 

[Sirius]

Well bad news for the Aussies. This could happen here so stay prepped ppl.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...and-forum/552397-its-started-w-ban-sales.html

E-Cig doom is on in OZ!

 

[pamdis]

It's a product on a shelf, you can't just have it unregulated

This statement is a big problem for me.

 

[Coca]

I've been waiting for this, hope it goes in our favor. If not i'm glad i stocked up.

 

[CassiusCloud]

Regulation should be for things that need it..
Not for things that are pretty much regulating themselves..

I've never walked into a vape shop that did not have "you must be 18 to purchase products here" or been to a vape site that either had you must be 18 to enter or 18 to purchase..

maybe people just need to start raising their own kids and stop trying to raise us adults.

 

[Sirius]

Regulation should be for things that need it..
Not for things that are pretty much regulating themselves..

I've never walked into a vape shop that did not have "you must be 18 to purchase products here" or been to a vape site that either had you must be 18 to enter or 18 to purchase..

maybe people just need to start raising their own kids and stop trying to raise us adults.

Damn right CC. Screw the nanny state mentality and the govermnentards they ride in on.

 

[CES]

There's lots of information about the FDA and proposed state regulations in this subforum Legislation News

Links to the research and information about how to get involved can be found here CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association

 

[dave51]

Thanks for that important quote.

The intent of that would have been to prevent the tobacco companies from using flavors as a way to ensnare the public towards smoking.
Now, the tricky part is: that does not apply to vaping for the same reason that it does not apply to pastry.

Thats the problem
Nicotine they consider a dangerous product and a tobacco derivative
As i said before tobacco pipe smokers have been fighting this for years

You smoke a tobacco pipe the same as vaping no inhale ,slow draws
Pipe tobacco comes in many flavors and FDA decided because of the nicotine pipe smoking is unhealthy

So they have been making rules on the pipe tobacco

Your not vapeing a pastry you are vapeing nicotine with a process of drawing in a substance into your mouth and exhaling that substance

If they ban flavors unflavored juice will be the only thing you can buy and that will be taxed as a tobacco product

 

[drummerskey]

I assume the validity of the OP is accurate but...........

I saw a commercial for the first time a week ago that was basically a PSA about menthol. Some dude pulls his tooth out for a pack of menthol cigarettes. Everyone that stated that getting nicotine from something other than tobacco is the work-around is wishfully thinking as well.

The sad truth is that this is going to happen and I am not saying to "just accept it" but all the FDA and government needs to do is link e-cigs to tobacco products. Once that is done; taxes, regulation, taking away all flavors, banning public use........they all become really easy to do. They don't need logic or reason..........they just need the sheeple to buy into it.

I don't think they will ban it completely but I see the government tying it to tobacco products first. Then they can sin tax it like cigarettes and then ban internet sales, which would force your tax dollars back to the states.........maybe the flavors go away, maybe they don't

 

[pamdis]

Just saw a clip of GMA report from today about nicotine poisoning in kids. The last statement by the reporter:

We asked the Tobacco Vapor Electronic Cigarette Association about all of this. Their CEO told ABC news that the FDA just sent him a copy of proposed regulations could be released publicly as early as Monday

 

[paigekoontz]

Where there's a will there's a way Paige. Online sales isn't the only answer and products such as e-liquids consumed my humans should be safe I agree but regulated? No way. Regulation brings on taxation and that's a given.

Yea I agree that regulation will most definitely bring on taxation. I do feel bad for the states that have approved a 95% tax because that is ridiculous. But does it worry you at all having an unregulated product? Not having quality standards does scare me because I want to make sure I'm getting the highest quality eliquid. I'm also really curious about the effects of heating the flavoring. If burnt sugar can be a carcinogen, is there any possibility that these flavorings can pose any threat? Does anyone have any hard evidence about it? I'm just curious.

 

[Maestro]

The last thing I worry about is a ban on flavorings. That's an easy work-around. I can see sites selling unflavored juice and also selling pre-mixed "food" flavorings. The real problem is if they make regulations that are so expensive to comply with that only the tobacco industry can afford it. Then they'll only have bland, pre-filled, tamper-proof cartridges which will be taxed to the limit.