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[marrz74]

I was sitting here thinking. There might be a way to get the FDA to approve of E-Cigs. Lets look at what the FDA doesn't like about them.
1. easy access to the dangerous liquid for kids.
2. unsafe levels of nicotine per smoke.
3. people handling dangerous chemical ( nicotine) to make their own versions.

I do see a way to make it more acceptable to them but I would hate for it to happen.
Pre-filled carts sealed with atomizer as one unit in approved strength.

1. no access to cart for kids
2. approved strength
3. no more DIY
I would hate for this to happen but the FDA might approve it if the dangers were removed. I have seen some E-Cigs sold this way and I would never buy them unless they were my only option.

Candi

 

[Jim Davis]

I was sitting here thinking. There might be a way to get the FDA to approve of E-Cigs.

Good thoughts, but you're missing "The Big Picture". If e-cigs continue as is, the tobacco companies loose sales, the pharmaceutical companies don't get a cut, and the government doesn't collect taxes.

The truth don't mean squat. It's all about the money.

 

[LuckySevens4U]

It's true. It's ALL about the money, nothing else. Kids can get a hold of approved nic gum, mints, cigs, snus, everything we have out there right now, but see the gov, pharm, and tobacco companies are making the $$$ off it so that's different.

 

[marrz74]

Oh I know. I was just thinking of a way to maybe fight the issue. I can't stand the thought of just sitting back and doing nothing while big pharm and big tobacco decide my future. I am hoping that if we can find something even the FDA can't argue with then all we will have to worry about is negative ads by the pharm or tobacco companies.
Yes I live in this pretty little world that if you play your cards right everything will fall into place LOL.
It is such a pretty little world would you like to visit? LOL

 

[TropicalBob]

Sorry, I cannot bring myself to be that cynical. I agree with your considerations, Marzz74, and that's why I think the first approved product will be a single-unit, disposable e-smoking device of regulated nicotine strength. But even that will require expensive approval. Surely some company can see the future profits from such an approved device.

As much as I see them posted, I do not buy into any theory that the FDA decision will be solely based on money. They don't care about where the chips fall; they care how whether the chips are safe and effective.

Better to base our considerations on an agency that is charged with assuring the safety of food and drugs. All other defamatory considerations are insulting and likely untrue.

 

[Jim Davis]

As much as I see them posted, I do not buy into any theory that the FDA decision will be solely based on money. They don't care about where the chips fall; they care how whether the chips are safe and effective.

Although my views are quite different...... In the end, I sincerely hope you're right.

 

[doc g]

The FDA is keeping us safe? really?
Google search the name of any FDA approved drug followed by the word "lawsuit".

 

[LuckySevens4U]

Ya, I disagree about the FDA keeping us safe thing too There is much more to it and still truly believe the $$$ is a main part of the bottom line to this. My opinion.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Ya, I disagree about the FDA keeping us safe thing too There is much more to it and still truly believe the $$$ is a main part of the bottom line to this. My opinion.

Luckey--I would agree with you. In my opinion any one that thinks the FDA bases its decisions on Saftey alone really needs to wake up and vape the coffee--------Sun

 

[QueenInNC]

Speaking of children getting the PVs. Last night, the owner of the restaurant that I was in told me that he saw a group of 13 year olds with PVs. He went on to say that is why these things are no good...blah, blah. My response to him is where the heck are they getting the money for them? He said oh, their only about 30 bucks aren't they? I said um, no. If they bought them in the mall they paid about $150! He was an ex-smoker that, although didn't tell me that I couldn't use it on his patio, did try to discourage me from using the PV because of the nocotine. This is coming from a man that used two 21mg patches everyday to quit smoking and when that didn't work, he used Chantix and is now smoke free. He was telling me how dangerous nicotine is and that it made him dizzy all of the time when he used the patches and I should not be using the PV with nicotine. Well, of course he felt dizzy!! He was using 42mgs of the patch at one time!

After I educated him on the PVs and the nicotine that I use in it (10 or 11mgs) and explained how it worked he was a little less opposed to the idea.

Anyway the point of this was the kids somehow getting a hold of these. Not the man. lol I agree with Lucky though. These children can get cigarettes, gum, patches and snuss with no problems. They will get this too. Some jack ... is probably out there selling them to minors to make a profit and it is going to screw the whole system up for us. The responsible adults.


ETA: I also agree that it is all about the money!!

 

[Jim Davis]

Anyway the point of this was the kids somehow getting a hold of these.

Kids getting e-cig's is sort of an invalid argument with me. I see kids pass my house every day, smoking like chimneys. They get drugs, guns, pornography, and 1000's of other "banned" items.

 

[LuckySevens4U]

Luckey--I would agree with you. In my opinion any one that thinks the FDA bases its decisions on Saftey alone really needs to wake up and vape the coffee--------Sun

Exactly, Sun.

 

[LuckySevens4U]

Kids getting e-cig's is sort of an invalid argument with me. I see kids pass my house every day, smoking like chimneys. They get drugs, guns, pornography, and 1000's of other "banned" items.

Ditto on this too.

 

[QueenInNC]

Kids getting e-cig's is sort of an invalid argument with me. I see kids pass my house every day, smoking like chimneys. They get drugs, guns, pornography, and 1000's of other "banned" items.

If you read the whole post...that was followed by this...

"These children can get cigarettes, gum, patches and snuss with no problems. They will get this too. Some jack ... is probably out there selling them to minors to make a profit and it is going to screw the whole system up for us. The responsible adults.'


My point being that this is certainly not going to help our case when it comes to the FDA.

 

[taz3cat]

Jim Davis, TB would be right if politics and money did not drive the FDA ship. There are good people at the FDA that want to do right but, the Politicians really control the FDA. That is why they put tobacco in the FDA so CONGRESS CAN CONTROL IT.

 

[marrz74]

I agree that kids can get them. I was referring to the worry that some toddler or pet swallowing a cart or a whole bottle because of the flavorings. I am also trying to figure out a way to leave the FDA with nothing left to point at. Yes I do realize that is an impossible dream. If we could do enough that we can say "You were worried about kids swallowing these so we put them in sealed containers, You were worried about nic content so we put a set non lethal amount in the sealed carts, You were worried about the toxic effects of handling the liquid and now we don't sell it in bottles. Now what would you like us to do to please you." LOL I'm sure they would come up with another list that would keep contradicting till it was impossible to fill the requests but at least we would try.

 

[Vicks Vap-oh-Yeah]

IMO - the FDA needs to stop worrying about "what the children will get into." If the children want to get into something, no amount of legislation or regulation will stop them fom getting into it - they're smoking smarties, for God's sake!!!

Struggling to keep the children safe is NOT the duty of any government agency, it's the responsibility of the parents of the children.....

on topic, there will be regulation of our PV's. How much and when is still up in the air, but there will be government hands in the pie....

 

[LuckySevens4U]

I think children would much rather get ahold of my yummy fruit chill nic gum and swallow that before a carty and nic gum is legal.

 

[Christopher]

I have talked with the FDA many times in the past two years about the drug Singulair. Hell I was even on tv talking about it. Every person I talked to at the fda told me they have zero power to do anything, and that if Merck(makers of singulair) says it's safe then it's safe for everyone.

The fda is told what to do, and then they in turn tell you what to do. Everyone who says it's all about the money is right.

 

[Jim Davis]

I think children would much rather get ahold of my yummy fruit chill nic gum and swallow that before a carty and nic gum is legal.

You're thinking of tiny children. They'll swallow almost anything, and that's a matter of parents keeping hazardous things away from them.

I'm talking about the large children, who can get a hold of anything, so the "kid & e-cig" argument doesn't hold water with me. And furthermore, if they're going to do it, I'd rather see them with an e-cig, than an analog.