Fear-mongering in Milwaukee - 8 hospitalized

[stols001]

No, it's some dirty looking man with black fingernails like taking the contents of two pods and transferring it into FOUR pods, and then adding whatever cheap liquid that is of the right color and may sort of vaporize and then selling them to the teens.

I'm shocked at how few of you know how the black market like, WORKS.

Oh well, I guess I've worked and labored among families and teens who are dealing with the worst of the worst. Not to mention having been one.

Anna

How many of you have just drank/inhaled etc. something someone handed you, like without checking its provenance (raises hand a million times.)

I totally have a strong constitution I guess. Something.

 

[HigherStateD]

Sounds like this is Becoming one of those Threads that gets Closed.

Like it or not, the topic of : censored:

vape cartridges are the topic.
The general public sees a vape carto. They don't see the difference what the origami purchaser was intending to use it for, they just see a 510 cart. Ignoring the ignorance leads to further ignorance.
We can hope the problem goes away, or address it head on.

 

[zoiDman]

Like it or not, the topic of : censored:

Vape cartridges are the topic.
The general public sees a vape carto. They don't see the difference what the origami purchaser was intending to use it for, they just see a 510 cart. Ignoring the ignorance leads to further ignorance.
We can hope the problem goes away, or address it head on.

It Isn't a Matter of Addressing Things Head On. It's a Matter of a Time and (in the Case of the ECF) a Place.

Threads Don't get Closed if the People Posting are making some Contribution to the Thread. Even if they are Walking on a Knife Edge about what we Can and Can Not Talk About.

 

[Rossum]

specially (in my case), a menthol cigarette afterwards.

 

[Hoggy]

It Isn't a Matter of Addressing Things Head On. It's a Matter of a Time and .............. a Place.

Yeah, I 100% agree with your sentiment, @HigherStateD , ALL THE WAY! TRUST ME! But talk relating to our stuff, in this particular thread, I think should be limited to how it directly relates to the OP.

But absolutely EVERYBODY can get carried away at times with small talk and off-topic'ness, and general aloofness - we're human, after all. And especially us, with our extraordinary passion for wanting to inject reason into a subject where little reasoning exists... We can get carried away, as I did myself.

Now, I gotta get back to my woman that Rossum just posted a pic of. Time's a wastin'!

 

[Unforeseen]

Just a reminder but lets keep the discussion about vaping please.

Why we don't allow drug talk

 

[vaper1960]

I read the original news story a few days ago and immediately thought "They are totally going to make this about vaping (standard) e liquids, even though it was obvious the teens were vaping something else" Who knows what may have been in that mix! Stories this this really hurt the vaping movement, and 9 out of 10 people will say "well, there it is... vaping is bad and dangerous" As was mentioned, half of those just read the headline title. Sad day...

 

[vaper1960]

I tried to stay on topic. I'm in California and many things are legal here (especially recently) but this isn't the place to discuss it... I respect that.

 

[Hoggy]

I'm in California

Have you heard any reports similar to this, there? ...If you follow news (news is way too depressing all the time, so I don't regularly).
(Let's just say I'm concerned.)

 

[CarolT]

Have you heard any reports similar to this, there? ...If you follow news (news is way too depressing all the time, so I don't regularly).
(Let's just say I'm concerned.)

I haven't heard of anything like this anywhere. That's what makes it suspicious that something else was involved. They've lowered the number of suspected cases to 11 now, down from 14.

 

[CarolT]

(WKOW) — A Wisconsin clinic is putting $20,000 towards e-cigarette education and prevention.

The Marshfield Clinic is giving schools and health departments money for vaping education programs.

It’s estimated that one our of every five Wisconsin high school students use e-cigarettes.

Eleven teens and young adults were hospitalized recently with lung damage linked to vaping.

“And I don’t think people realize that these are basically the same as cigarettes and they do the same damage,” said Jacqueline Sii, FACT Student President at Lincoln High School.

Almost 40 groups from Superior to Eau Claire to Lincoln High School in Wisconsin Rapids will be getting money as part of this effort.
Marshfield clinic backing vaping education programs

 

[zoiDman]

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“And I don’t think people realize that these are basically the same as cigarettes and they do the same damage,” said Jacqueline Sii, FACT Student President at Lincoln High School.

...

It's a Sad Testimonial when people put the Same Weight (or even More!) on a statement made by a Student Body President of a High School than they do from someone like the Royal College of Physicians. Or the UK Health.

And some would Question the Level of Journalistic Integrity of a Media Outlet to print such Unsubstantiated Statements from someone with No Scientific or Medical Degrees.

 

[somdcomputerguy]

“And I don’t think people realize that these are basically the same as cigarettes and they do the same damage,” said Jacqueline Sii, FACT Student President at Lincoln High School.

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[zoiDman]

It's a Sad Testimonial when people put the Same Weight (or even More!) on a statement made by a Student Body President of a High School than they do from someone like the Royal College of Physicians. Or the UK Health.

And some would Question the Level of Journalistic Integrity of a Media Outlet to print such Unsubstantiated Statements from someone with No Scientific or Medical Degrees.

BTW - Here IS someone who holds a Degree in Medicine. And here is what they have to say...

E-cigarettes contain nicotine but do not burn tobacco, which is responsible for many of the health problems associated with smoking combustible cigarettes. “For a smoker, e-cigarettes are less harmful to their health than continuing to smoke cigarettes,” said Rigotti, who is also a professor of medicine at HMS [Harvard Medical School]. “But e-cigarettes have become popular so quickly that many questions remain about how they can best be used to help smokers to quit and minimize any harm.” The third member of this MGH research team was Yuchiao Chang.

Daily e-cigarette use may help smokers quit regular cigarettes

 

[somdcomputerguy]

Is the Wisconsin Lung Disease Outbreak Really About Vaping? - Vaping360

 

[CarolT]

The latest:
"Officials have confirmed a total of 12 cases and are investigating 13 other cases." And it says they ALL reported vaping substances other than the regular flavors +/- nicotine. Some similar cases have been found in northeastern Illinois.
New cases of severe lung injury in Wisconsin tied to vaping nicotine and THC

 

[Jwaterski]

After watching the news for the last few weeks, I'm just relived to know that if I ever decide to quit vaping, I can probably start using the safer alternative, cigarettes! Who knew

 

[stols001]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that since it was on the news, there is NO chance of my COPD symptoms coming back. I do not know what I was thinking, stockpiling all this nic.

Anna

 

[CarolT]

Illinois is trying to get in on the hysteria.

Six hospitalized in Illinois with vaping-related breathing problems
Sun-Times Media Wire
Saturday, August 10, 2019 4:08PMSPRINGFIELD, Ill. -- At least six young people have been hospitalized recently in Illinois after experiencing severe breathing problems possibly related to vaping, health officials say.

The young people experienced symptoms including chest pains, shortness of breath, fatigue, vomiting and ........ after vaping in the days and weeks leading up to their hospitalization, the Illinois Department of Public Health announced Friday.

"IDPH is working with local health departments and hospitals to investigate reported cases of hospitalized individuals with unexplained respiratory illness and a history of vaping," IDPH Director Dr. Ngozi Ezike said. "The short- and long-term effects of vaping are still being researched, but these recent hospitalizations have shown that there is the potential for immediate health consequences."

IDPH said they have been unable to identify the exact chemicals leading to these symptoms, as it was not immediately clear which vaping products the young people were using or where they were obtained.

The majority of cases were reported in northeast Illinois, with a few identified in the St. Louis-area...
Six hospitalized in Illinois with vaping-related breathing problems

 

[somdcomputerguy]

Illinois is trying to get in on the hysteria.

..possibly related to vaping..

Six hospitalized in Illinois with vaping-related breathing problems

(bolding added by me)

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Recently a few of my FFB (freakin' facebook) friends (most of whom who smoke) have felt it necessary and helpful to point out to me these main stream media BS stories. I tried to be polite and educationing when they warned me about formaldehyde and anti-freeze things. The seizure thing has me po'ed to no end. I think I made clear to them my standing on that issue.