Good for you. I would go so far as to say that many vendors should be actively boycotted (especially those operating in Australia).
I boycott at least 3 very famous brands (UK shops) in protest at their price-gouging of Australian vapers.
Feel like Im vaping too much
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Good for you. I would go so far as to say that many vendors should be actively boycotted (especially those operating in Australia).
I boycott at least 3 very famous brands (UK shops) in protest at their price-gouging of Australian vapers.
Well some good news! I got my mod up and running, and I think for the first time, I'm actually satisfied! The 808D pen vape with 18mg juice worked to keep the cravings at bay, but I was constantly vaping. I'm now vaping at 15 watts with this coil build and 12mg juice. I only need 1-second hits, airflow all the way open, and after a few of those wowzah I'm good for a while lol.
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5 ml is pretty much considered average. Some need more more, others require less. I'm still pretty consistent at 5ml even though my nic has dropped from 24mg down to 6mg. I've been vaping for 3 1/2 years.
Listen to your body, it will tell you if you overdo the nic.
Congratulations on the switch, kudos to you for asking questions
Welcome to ECF!
Listen to your body, it will tell you if you overdo the nic.
Congratulations on the switch, kudos to you for asking questions
Welcome to ECF!
A pack of 20 might contain 240mg before smoking. After smoking, you get (approx.) what it says on the side of the packet, as demanded by law in most countries. Maybe only 1.0mg.
They are not the same thing. I'm sorry to point this out, but it needs to be said.
20 x 1.0mg cigarettes = 20mg.
10ml of 24mg = 240mg... before Vaping.
This is definitely true, and though different devices and setups give different efficiency as far as nicotine preservation in the heating process, a good amount is still lost. With their current setup (speculation a little here) I'd still say they are still lowering nicotine intake.
Don't be sorry! I completely agree, and I see how my original post was a little misleading.
20 x 12mg per cig = 240mg of nicotine before smoking. 10ml of 24mg juice = 240mg of nicotine before vaping. Comparing how much nicotine is produced by a cigarette after smoking to how much is in ejuice before vaping is misleading. You can either compare tobacco-to-ejuice or smoke-to-vapor, otherwise it's apples and oranges.
Correct, of course
The important part is to get these things straight. Cigarettes may contain 12mg of Nicotine, but you might only get 1.0mg.
Vaping is more efficient. Therefore 240mg of un-vaped liquid is going to give the user (after vaping) much more Nicotine (and a LOT more) than 20 cigarettes.
There is a really in-depth blog (on here, ECF) about it. I'm guessing you have read it.... but what does it really conclude? It seems to conclude that vaping is more efficient than smoking but we shouldn't use the nicotine content in cigarettes to work from, but the nicotine yield, since the two are a long way apart in reality.
...personally speaking, I think we should just forget the a cigarette contains 12mg and concentrate on the yield, which is most case is 1.0mg approx.
If a pack of cigarettes yields 20mg, then 240mg in e-liquid is far too much.
I don't know... maybe you can explain it better.
Smoking creates smaller particles that go deep into the lung. Most of the nicotine from smoking gets into the system through the lungs.
Vaping is a different animal. Most of the nicotine gets absorbed in the soft mucus tissues. The vapor is a larger particle so it doesn't get absorbed into the lungs as deeply.
Very different delivery systems. Also, newer vapers don't quite know how to vape as efficiently. I know there is something in the ECF Library that explains all this. I am just going by memory here.
Let me see if I can grab that link. In the meantime, here is a nice place to wander and browse: The ECF Library
Vaping is a different animal. Most of the nicotine gets absorbed in the soft mucus tissues. The vapor is a larger particle so it doesn't get absorbed into the lungs as deeply.
Very different delivery systems. Also, newer vapers don't quite know how to vape as efficiently. I know there is something in the ECF Library that explains all this. I am just going by memory here.
Let me see if I can grab that link. In the meantime, here is a nice place to wander and browse: The ECF Library
I like this topic...im about to start vaping in a week or so, once i receive my gear and was looking for a discussion of this sort.
Since i cant just pop out to a store and buy eliquid i have ordered 300 ml and i'll be thrilled if i can make it last 3 months....so 3-3.5 ml a day on average.
im getting 150ml of 18 mig and 150ml of 12 mg and wont be sub ohming so it'll be good to see how long i can make it last.
Since i cant just pop out to a store and buy eliquid i have ordered 300 ml and i'll be thrilled if i can make it last 3 months....so 3-3.5 ml a day on average.
im getting 150ml of 18 mig and 150ml of 12 mg and wont be sub ohming so it'll be good to see how long i can make it last.
Okay, so based on those articles there are still a lot of unknowns, however the general consensus is that vapor (from an cigalike-type device, aka 808D vape pen) contains anywhere 10% to 50% of the nicotine that cigarette smoke contains. Additionally, the nicotine in vapor is less easily absorbed by the lungs than that in cigarette smoke due to the size of the particulates (1 micron for smoke and 10 microns for vapor).
As such, even if you hold the vapor in your mouth, followed by an inhale, followed by an exhale through the nose to maximize nicotine absorption, you should be able to get anywhere from 2-10 times as many puffs from a cigalike than a cigarette and get about the same amount of nicotine. To put that in practical terms, if we assume you get about 10 puffs off a cigarette, then that would equate to 20 to 100 of equivalent-sized puffs from a cigalike. Since most commercial cartomizers are constructed in a similar manner, I imagine that the wide margin is due to the different levels of nicotine that juice can have (Vuse uses 48mg juice in some flavors, Blu can be anywhere from 12mg to 24mg, etc).
Naturally, you'll get fewer puffs from higher nicotine content and/or mods that produce a lot of vapor, but that still assumes your doing the triple-level inhale when you vape. Direct-to-lung hits will result in less nicotine absorption than what the above statements suggest, which is how I was vaping until I read those articles.
As such, even if you hold the vapor in your mouth, followed by an inhale, followed by an exhale through the nose to maximize nicotine absorption, you should be able to get anywhere from 2-10 times as many puffs from a cigalike than a cigarette and get about the same amount of nicotine. To put that in practical terms, if we assume you get about 10 puffs off a cigarette, then that would equate to 20 to 100 of equivalent-sized puffs from a cigalike. Since most commercial cartomizers are constructed in a similar manner, I imagine that the wide margin is due to the different levels of nicotine that juice can have (Vuse uses 48mg juice in some flavors, Blu can be anywhere from 12mg to 24mg, etc).
Naturally, you'll get fewer puffs from higher nicotine content and/or mods that produce a lot of vapor, but that still assumes your doing the triple-level inhale when you vape. Direct-to-lung hits will result in less nicotine absorption than what the above statements suggest, which is how I was vaping until I read those articles.
Kind of eye opening, huh?
Now you know why some people exhale through their nose
I exhale through my nose when it has been a few hours (when I'm busy I don't think about vaping and really am not needing that break to have nic.) and as soon as I sit down.....then my body decides it needs some nic. To maximize what I am absorbing, I hold the vapor in my mouth a bit before inhaling then exhale through the nose. Seems to help get me back on track faster.
I'm similar--I would have never smoked analogs as frequently as I use my e-cig (which is nearly all day). I agree with others--don't worry about it. Even vaping all day I feel a million times better than I did when I'd smoke my pack a day outdoors.
This is just me, but lower nicotine levels work best for me since I vape all day (I work from home--that has a lot to do with it). But then, I've stepped down to lower levels gradually, and when I didn't, I relapsed. Like someone else said, it also depends on your device--there's a lot of anecdotal and scientific evidence showing that the amount of nicotine delivered depends on the device you're using. As long as you're not feeling jittery all day (which is what happened to me at 24 mg even when I started after smoking analogs), you're probably fine. Everyone's different. Trust yourself--you know your body better than anyone : )
This is just me, but lower nicotine levels work best for me since I vape all day (I work from home--that has a lot to do with it). But then, I've stepped down to lower levels gradually, and when I didn't, I relapsed. Like someone else said, it also depends on your device--there's a lot of anecdotal and scientific evidence showing that the amount of nicotine delivered depends on the device you're using. As long as you're not feeling jittery all day (which is what happened to me at 24 mg even when I started after smoking analogs), you're probably fine. Everyone's different. Trust yourself--you know your body better than anyone : )
That is post of the month, @Munk
If your theory is good (and I agree totally) it also means the cig-a-likes that were sold promising 40 cigarettes from one cartomizer was about as close to fraud as is possible.
They might have done 400 puffs (at a push, if you barely vaped them) but the Nicotine levels were so low they were as good as useless.
ECTA of Canada actually managed to scientifically establish a set-up where they did get the same amount of Nicotine in the aerosol as a normal cigarette. Obviously, that doesn't help with the absorption, but it was interesting to see how they did it.
As I remember it, they used an EVOD, a clearo and 18mg liquid.
Now, those things vaped around 7-8 watts, whereas most cig-a-likes are down around 3-4 watts.
Basically, what this tells us is that the cig-a-like brands have always sold a product which might do the puffs, but won't do the Nicotine, unless you load it with 36mg or more.
I have vaped a 3 watt cig-a-like with 48mg liquid. It was most unsatisfying. Kind of rubbish and not worth the $10 or so.
My wife uses cig-a-like and puff on them all day and has for 3 years. When she uses my mod she puffs less. I have a VV mod not a cig-a-like. Don't worry about how much you vape until the analogs start looking better and better, the up the nic! You will eventually slow down in use or go to a different mod that MIGHT slow you some. Just my opinion. Welcome to ECF, please ask questions!
I vape around 10ml of juice a day.
I don't think I vape too much...or do I???
At any rate, you can never get too much of a good thing. Oh, and the sitting and watching TV without having to go outside is the best thing ever, amIright?
At any rate, Vape On!
I don't think I vape too much...or do I???
At any rate, you can never get too much of a good thing. Oh, and the sitting and watching TV without having to go outside is the best thing ever, amIright?
At any rate, Vape On!
I just started watching Game of Thrones (late I know), love just hanging out puffing on the zero mini while getting down on some GoT!
When I quit smoking a few years back, one of the biggest things I missed was the outdoor time I used to get. Don't get me wrong, I love the convenience of vaping, but as the weather here in CO gets better, I find myself going outside sometimes even though I don't have to anymore.
I'm the same. I live in Canada and the weather is (slowly) starting to turn nicer so I go outside as much as possible, even to vape. However, I have no reservations about vaping in my house or around my kids.
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