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The problem with such high % of concentrates is that they go through a process of what is called 'steeping' which is actually aging the ejuice. The flavorings continue to develop into what they are suppose to taste like over a period of time. While the newly mixed ejuice may taste ok now, it may not in a couple of days. Having made a 15ml bottle is good so maybe you can vape it up quickly before any changes take place. However, for mixing bigger bottles, I would cut the % way down. You just need to experiment with what works for you.
Also you can buy sweetener from almost any online vape shot that sells flavors or eliquid. In a 15 ml bottle I would only put one drop, then shake and taste it before deciding to add more. That stuff is super concentrated.
When I first started DIY, I thought more flavoring equals more flavor. Boy was I wrong! Took me a few wks to get my head out of that sort of thinking. I think after a bit of experimenting you’ll also come to this conclusion. The concentrates have a sweet spot, depending on what your making and it’s role. That being said, IMO it might be good that you did this because you can now learn from it. I recommend you try it at different points while steeping. Example: After mix (as you did), 3 days after mixing, 1 wk, etc. Take notes and compare. If it becomes too unpleasant and you’ve taken from this experiment all you can, stop testing and chalk it up to a learning experience. Then try mixing the same flavors at different percentages until you find what works for you. I’d recommend mixing 5-10 mls at a time but do what works for you. I’m willing to help with any questions you might have as I know many others here also will. Good luck and enjoy the journey!
@Sugar_and_Spice advice to vape it asap before it becomes unvapable might also be a good idea. You should decide which route to take as it’s your journey. I should also add that I’ve only been mixing a couple months myself but I researched for a couple months before I started because I’m extremely .... like that!
I’ve made great strides since my day 1 of DIY ejuice as I’m sure you will as well. I’m a firm believer that you get out what you put in!
I’ve made great strides since my day 1 of DIY ejuice as I’m sure you will as well. I’m a firm believer that you get out what you put in!That amount of flavoring is going to cause problems I'd think, eventually. As it steeps, flavors usually increase in potency, (after a couple days where they fade). I don't think you necessarily need more sweetener, although you MIGHT at a lower percentage. I use SuperSweet, it's a fairly high concentrate of sucralose. I like sucralose, I trust it and I use it in SMALL quantity, think 1 drop per 30 mil. Many of my concentrates are already sweet, so it may take the smallest amount of sweetener to hit my "happy place."
I am not going to suggest adding some to what you have, I'm entirely unsure how it's going to vape and change over time. I'd imagine that it's going to get even stronger so I sort of concur with the idea of vaping it now, if you still like it. If you wind up hating it, you can do a dilution process but that is complicated so make sure you understand your juice calculator if you have to amend it.
The good news on sweetener is that it really doesn't (usually) require steeping, so again I'd say start small (if you must) you can always bump it up if you need to. In my experience dilutions are as PITA, although I have rescued juices that way from time to time.
Now that my tastebuds have recovered, I really only use about 8--10% flavorings TOTAL. I think I'd have a hard time vaping your mix, well, you may wind up liking it. If you add sweetener to it, I would be judicious and start with a very small amount.
Best of luck.
Anna
I am not going to suggest adding some to what you have, I'm entirely unsure how it's going to vape and change over time. I'd imagine that it's going to get even stronger so I sort of concur with the idea of vaping it now, if you still like it. If you wind up hating it, you can do a dilution process but that is complicated so make sure you understand your juice calculator if you have to amend it.
The good news on sweetener is that it really doesn't (usually) require steeping, so again I'd say start small (if you must) you can always bump it up if you need to. In my experience dilutions are as PITA, although I have rescued juices that way from time to time.
Now that my tastebuds have recovered, I really only use about 8--10% flavorings TOTAL. I think I'd have a hard time vaping your mix, well, you may wind up liking it. If you add sweetener to it, I would be judicious and start with a very small amount.
Best of luck.
Anna
Is the taste your major consideration in making the ejuice? Reason I am asking is because you are using far less vg than flavoring and the vapor must be minimal . If today the juice isn't as good, you can always add more vg to reduce the flavorings. And since no nic is being used that isn't a consideration. Just a thought.
I second this as it’s a great idea!Is the taste your major consideration in making the ejuice? Reason I am asking is because you are using far less vg than flavoring and the vapor must be minimal . If today the juice isn't as good, you can always add more vg to reduce the flavorings. And since no nic is being used that isn't a consideration. Just a thought.
Holy guano Batman that is a lot of flavoring... I would drop that by a lot how long are you letting that infuse? Are you just playing SnV with it, from looking at it I would mix and then not touch for at least a week maybe two
I may be completely misreading your above post (and I apologize if I am); but it sounds as if you are trying to make your flavor concentrates do double duty, and take the place of PG (get to a desired PG/VG ratio).
While you are correct in thinking that PG-based concentrates count toward the PG portion of the ratio; you would be much better served using only the amount of concentrate(s) needed to arrive at optimal flavor, and then fill out (arrive at) your desired PG target using plain PG. It is much less expensive (per mL), and it will help prevent over flavoring.... which can often have the opposite of the desired affect... and mute perceived taste.
I totally missed that last line of his post....duh....now looking at it, I do believe you solved his confusion(and mine, lol)
I totally missed that last line of his post....duh....now looking at it, I do believe you solved his confusion(and mine, lol)
We all missed it
That's why we keep @IDJoel around. He spots missing and erroneous information.
I'd agree, don't use your flavorings as your PG (if that indeed is what you were doing). Your flavors will be COUNTED as PG, in most juice calculators unless you specify otherwise, as most of them are suspended in PG.
Hence the term "Max VG" it's not 100% VG if you are buying it premade. Most of the time, whatever percentage of flavoring they use is going to be PG, so manufacturer's can't legitimately put "100% VG" which is what most cloud chasers use (unflavored VG) during cloud competitions. They aren't looking for nic or flavoring, just trying to make the biggest clouds. Once you get to DIY, you come to understand the idea of "max" VG as sort of "we're going to try to get you to think it's 100% VG but it's not."
Anna
I'd agree, don't use your flavorings as your PG (if that indeed is what you were doing). Your flavors will be COUNTED as PG, in most juice calculators unless you specify otherwise, as most of them are suspended in PG.
Hence the term "Max VG" it's not 100% VG if you are buying it premade. Most of the time, whatever percentage of flavoring they use is going to be PG, so manufacturer's can't legitimately put "100% VG" which is what most cloud chasers use (unflavored VG) during cloud competitions. They aren't looking for nic or flavoring, just trying to make the biggest clouds. Once you get to DIY, you come to understand the idea of "max" VG as sort of "we're going to try to get you to think it's 100% VG but it's not."
Anna
You may have better result using Letitia suggestion of 10% donut, 5% chocolate and 3% coconut. These percentages are still pretty high, but if you are coming from store bought ejuice it is to be expected. Also, once mixed it needs some steep time to age(try waiting 2-5 days before trying it out)
New recipe should look something like this.
Using your screen shot as an example and it says total volume mixed is 10 ml
10% of 10 ml bottle = 1 ml (donut)
5% of 10 ml bottle = 0.5 ml (chocolate)
3% of 10 ml bottle = 0.3 ml (coconut)
Total flavoring = 1.8 ml
Volume of bottle = 10 ml (subtract the amount of flavoring) - 1.8 % leaves you with 8.2ml in order to fill the rest of the bottle with. This is where the plain pg/vg comes in. You can either use 8.2 ml of vg OR
8.2ml of plain pg OR
You can split the difference to make closer to the 50/50 mark or the 70/30 mark etc.
to get a 50/50 ratio of pg/vg you have to count the pg in the flavoring on the pg side of the equation. ie.
50/50 of a 10 ml bottle is 5ml
so you would add 5ml of vg to the mix and then counting the pg already in there with the flavoring you would have 5ml - 1.8 = 3.2 ml to add for the pg.
If you decide on you next recipes to add the nicotine to whatever you mix the use the same calculator as you have above and enter the amount you want to end up (mg) in your juice and the strength of the nic(mg) you bought as the source.
I hope this helps get a clearer picture of how to mix ejuice.
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Tha ks alot for the very detailed advice on how to make juice, i really do love the vape community lol, i would add nic but I'm trying to go without itYou may have better result using Letitia suggestion of 10% donut, 5% chocolate and 3% coconut. These percentages are still pretty high, but if you are coming from store bought ejuice it is to be expected. Also, once mixed it needs some steep time to age(try waiting 2-5 days before trying it out)
New recipe should look something like this.
Using your screen shot as an example and it says total volume mixed is 10 ml
10% of 10 ml bottle = 1 ml (donut)
5% of 10 ml bottle = 0.5 ml (chocolate)
3% of 10 ml bottle = 0.3 ml (coconut)
Total flavoring = 1.8 ml
Volume of bottle = 10 ml (subtract the amount of flavoring) - 1.8 % leaves you with 8.2ml in order to fill the rest of the bottle with. This is where the plain pg/vg comes in. You can either use 8.2 ml or vg OR
8.2ml of plain pv OR
You can split the difference to make closer to the 50/50 mark or the 70/30 mark etc.
to get a 50/50 ratio of pg/vg you have to count the pg in the flavoring on the pg side of the equation. ie.
50/50 of a 10 ml bottle is 5ml
so you would add 5ml of vg to the mix and then counting the pg already in there with the flavoring you would have 5ml - 1.8 = 3.2 ml to add for the pg.
If you decide on you next recipes to add the nicotine to whatever you mix the use the same calculator as you have above and enter the amount you want to end up (mg) in your juice and the strength of the nic(mg) you bought as the source.
I hope this helps get a clearer picture of how to mix ejuice.
, I've been on 0% for a couple days now
Tha ks alot for the very detailed advice on how to make juice, i really do love the vape community lol, i would add nic but I'm trying to go without it
Good luck with the no nic If you need more help ask well not about going without nic I can't help you there I know if I ever try it by the end of day one I will be in a clock tower with high powered rifles and a lot of ammo
I totally missed that last line of his post....duh....now looking at it, I do believe you solved his confusion(and mine, lol)
You have no idea how many times I read through this thread before I caught on. I would love to say I picked up on it right off the bat... but I'd be lie'n!We all missed it
In spite of all my other obnoxious, and unsociable habits.
I took the liberty of fixing two small typos, that may have been confusing to some new DIYers; I hope that's okay.
Great explanation, @Sugar_and_Spice!
Oh, HEL...., um, I mean: HECK NO!!! I can't run my own life with any sort of efficiency. And now, you want me running the country?! We all wanna pass on that ever happening.2nd
Total respect for you trying to do without... just don't return to the stinkies because of it. Nicotine is cheap(er)(compared to smoking). And, if it keeps you from returning to cigarettes, well worth it in my opinion.Tha ks alot for the very detailed advice on how to make juice, i really do love the vape community lol, i would add nic but I'm trying to go without it
I wish you all the best. And don't hesitate to use us whenever a question comes up. We don't have all the answers, but we do pretty well. Collectively; we are one sharp cookie!
Everyone else covered what I was going to say except:
I don't know that particular chocolate but I've been messing with chocolate for the last week (especially a TFA) and too much (5%) was bitter. Could be why you're wanting sweeter.
To give you an idea of working up a recipe, I bounced that chocolate down 1% orange up 1%, chocolate down 1% orange up 1% again, chocolate up 1% orange down 3% and added a stronger orange 2%. Next time I will drop the added orange 1% and add a different chocolate 1%.
Generally it's small steps of .5%-1%.
When I get a new flavor I mix up a small amount at 1%-5% depending on the brand and flavor type and their tendency to make strong or weak flavors (TFA is hard to predict). That way I get an idea of what percentage I want to use it at.
I don't know that particular chocolate but I've been messing with chocolate for the last week (especially a TFA) and too much (5%) was bitter. Could be why you're wanting sweeter.
To give you an idea of working up a recipe, I bounced that chocolate down 1% orange up 1%, chocolate down 1% orange up 1% again, chocolate up 1% orange down 3% and added a stronger orange 2%. Next time I will drop the added orange 1% and add a different chocolate 1%.
Generally it's small steps of .5%-1%.
When I get a new flavor I mix up a small amount at 1%-5% depending on the brand and flavor type and their tendency to make strong or weak flavors (TFA is hard to predict). That way I get an idea of what percentage I want to use it at.
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