First APV, Looking for advice

[Bpiatt]

Hey everyone,


im new to vaping but have knowledge of electronics and how they work. I currently own a pair of Joye Ego Twists with some Kanger T3S'. I like them but I am ready for more. I love to tinker with things and I want to see what mods and RBAs have to offer that my current set up lacks. I have been tinkering with making new coils and trying different wicking materials on my kangers and i think it makes sense that an RBA would be the next logical step. I haven't tried using mesh wicks yet but plan on ordering some with my next purchase. Im looking to get a quality, yet affordable MOd and RBA to start with, but im having trouble deciding. There are tons of mixed reviews on things out there and im not sure which to pick. I plan on ordering from fasttech so i can keep the cost around $100 with batteries and a quality charger.


So what do the experts recommend for my first Mod? I like the Vamo and SVD, is there a paticular version of either of them i should stay away from? Is the V3 Vamo the way to go if i choose a vamo? Is this kind of a ford/chevy debate? Should i just pick the one i feel looks better or are there significant quality/performance differences i need to know about?


As far as RBA's go i am considering the following:


$16.59 Oddy Clear Tank Rebuidable Atomizer - 1.8


I would love to hear feedback from anyone with experience with it.


Last question, which of the following batteries would be my best choice?


$11.03 Panasonic CGR18650CH Rechargeable 2250mAh 3.7V 18650 Lithium Batteries 2-pack - authentic cells / 2-pack at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping


$16.21 Panasonic NCR18650B Protected Rechargeable 3400mAh 3.7V 18650 Lithium Batteries 2-pack - authentic cells / 2-pack / overcharge + over-discharge protection at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping




Thank you all for taking the time to read this, any help is greatly appreciated.

 

[VapHer]

I have a blue K100 and I love it

 

[RottenJeeves]

As far as svd or vamo; I would say svd is better choice. I do love my vamo but I think for the extra 10 dollars or w/e the svd is better. Can't go wrong with either. Any vamo version is good too so no worries there. I recommend stainless if you go with a vamo.

 

[DreC]

The CGR cells should be a little shorter as they are not protected (adds a few mm to the length), and as they are regulated devices, you should not need to protection like a Mech would. Here is a link with a ton of battery test data to help you decide:
Battery test-review 18650 summary

I know that the Vamo has been recommended for quite some time as the go to Mod, but you might want to check out these reviews:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzJ5MLfSlcI - Innokin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7DnXw0MqTs - Innokin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3lUnwV4_h4 - Vamo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68IV0QjnscA - Vamo

Hope this help.

 

[tomzgreat]

On subject of the APV, take a look at the Itaste MVP at $45.00 on Fasttech.
If you vape within the paramaters of the APVand don't mind a box. It's the best deal in the universe. You will spend $45.00 and don't need to buy batteries, chargers etc.

Pardon me for putting temptation in your way.
I'd also like to offer up another alternative that will cost you double what you want to spend but is going to give you the best [Arguably] vape in the universe.
Bogger Box VV at $147.00 [When on Sale 15% off]
Reomizer 2 RBA $45.00

Than add batteries etc.

Bottom Feeding is Dripping without the inconvenience. It offers the best vaping experience because you instantly get fresh liquid to saturates your atomizer/RBA and excess is sucked back into the bottle. [No Flooding]

I've tried the Genesis Tanks styles, and Clearomizers and Cartomizers and everything out there and they all depend on wicking, whereas on a Reomizer 2 you can keep the Atomizer Saturated for Every Vape.

I feel that Bottom Feeding is the best vaping experience aside from Dripping that anyone will experience.

Hey everyone,


im new to vaping but have knowledge of electronics and how they work. I currently own a pair of Joye Ego Twists with some Kanger T3S'. I like them but I am ready for more. I love to tinker with things and I want to see what mods and RBAs have to offer that my current set up lacks. I have been tinkering with making new coils and trying different wicking materials on my kangers and i think it makes sense that an RBA would be the next logical step. I haven't tried using mesh wicks yet but plan on ordering some with my next purchase. Im looking to get a quality, yet affordable MOd and RBA to start with, but im having trouble deciding. There are tons of mixed reviews on things out there and im not sure which to pick. I plan on ordering from Fasttech so i can keep the cost around $100 with batteries and a quality charger.


So what do the experts recommend for my first Mod? I like the Vamo and SVD, is there a paticular version of either of them i should stay away from? Is the V3 Vamo the way to go if i choose a vamo? Is this kind of a ford/chevy debate? Should i just pick the one i feel looks better or are there significant quality/performance differences i need to know about?


As far as RBA's go i am considering the following:


$16.59 Oddy Clear Tank Rebuidable Atomizer - 1.8


I would love to hear feedback from anyone with experience with it.


Last question, which of the following batteries would be my best choice?


$11.03 Panasonic CGR18650CH Rechargeable 2250mAh 3.7V 18650 Lithium Batteries 2-pack - authentic cells / 2-pack at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping


$16.21 Panasonic NCR18650B Protected Rechargeable 3400mAh 3.7V 18650 Lithium Batteries 2-pack - authentic cells / 2-pack / overcharge + over-discharge protection at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping




Thank you all for taking the time to read this, any help is greatly appreciated.

 

[repulsivesalvation]

Im in the same boat, but I feel like it would behove me to spend the money and get something thats going to last. I keep looking at the provari as it seems I will end up spending money on APV's to equal the price of the Provari eventually.

 

[tomzgreat]

Im in the same boat, but I feel like it would behove me to spend the money and get something thats going to last. I keep looking at the provari as it seems I will end up spending money on APV's to equal the price of the Provari eventually.

I own a Provari and it's gathering cobwebs. The Provari is a Hummer, strong, durable, high quality and precise.
But it has Amp limitations that don't allow it to be used in many High Wattage Vaping scenarios.

 

[repulsivesalvation]

Could you explain the limitations to me? Thanks!

 

[Bpiatt]

The CGR cells should be a little shorter as they are not protected (adds a few mm to the length), and as they are regulated devices, you should not need to protection like a Mech would. Here is a link with a ton of battery test data to help you decide:
Battery test-review 18650 summary

I know that the Vamo has been recommended for quite some time as the go to Mod, but you might want to check out these reviews:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzJ5MLfSlcI - Innokin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7DnXw0MqTs - Innokin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3lUnwV4_h4 - Vamo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68IV0QjnscA - Vamo

Hope this help.

Awesome info there, thank you!

On subject of the APV, take a look at the Itaste MVP at $45.00 on Fasttech.
If you vape within the paramaters of the APVand don't mind a box. It's the best deal in the universe. You will spend $45.00 and don't need to buy batteries, chargers etc.

Pardon me for putting temptation in your way.
I'd also like to offer up another alternative that will cost you double what you want to spend but is going to give you the best [Arguably] vape in the universe.
Bogger Box VV at $147.00 [When on Sale 15% off]
Reomizer 2 RBA $45.00

Than add batteries etc.

Bottom Feeding is Dripping without the inconvenience. It offers the best vaping experience because you instantly get fresh liquid to saturates your atomizer/RBA and excess is sucked back into the bottle. [No Flooding]

I've tried the Genesis Tanks styles, and Clearomizers and Cartomizers and everything out there and they all depend on wicking, whereas on a Reomizer 2 you can keep the Atomizer Saturated for Every Vape.

I feel that Bottom Feeding is the best vaping experience aside from Dripping that anyone will experience.

Is the MVP ok to use with RBA's?

 

[tomzgreat]

Could you explain the limitations to me? Thanks!

The Provari has an Amp Limitation of 3.5 Amps.
Also on my Provari which is version 2 it will not accept an atomizer lower than 1.2 Ohms [I think not positive] for sure not lower than 1 Ohm.

This Amp and Ohm Limitation means that you cannot use it in Sub Ohm Vaping also you are limited to your voltage by the amps.'

If you are using the standard Atomizers or Cartomizers or Clearomizers than the Provari may be a good choice

Arguably if you are using RBA than in my opinion more Wattage and Amps is preferrable and needed

Let me give you an example.

My 2nd favorite vape is a :
1.1 Ohms at 20 Wattswith Voltage of 4.69V and my Amps is 4.26
Equipment is DNA20D Bottom Fed Bogger Box, REO Reomizer vs 2, FC-2000 Porous Ceramic Wick and 4 wraps [not sure] 27 Gauge Kanthal.

The maximum that I could run the same atomizer on my Provari, if it will run 1.1OHm which I'm not sure is
1.1 Ohm , 13.5 Watts 3.85V and 3.5 Amps


So the Provari is under performing my DNA20D Bottom Fed Bogger Box by close to a volt. This may or may not be important to you.

By the way on one of the little stock Atomizers this would be plenty and depending on your taste preference this level might be fine for you on an RBA. But to me it would be an unsatisfying cold vape.

I am not criticizing the Provari, only explaining the parameters so Provari Lovers please do not flame me.
If the 3.5 Amp Limitation allows you to vape at the levels that you like than I'm happy that you are happy with your Provari.

By the way my favorite Vape is:
a .61 Ohm RBA Reomizer 2, at 20 Watts on my DNA20D Bottom Fed Bogger Box.

The performance of 5.69 Amps and Sub Ohm is something the Provari can't come close to touching nor can the Vamo. I will emphasize, it all depends on your taste. My Vaping Level may not be mainstream. Take the figures and decide if the Provari will be right for you based on the numbers and not my opinion


My Provari is gathering Cobwebs since I entered RBA.

 

[tomzgreat]

Awesome info there, thank you!


Is the MVP ok to use with RBA's?

There is no 1 size fits all answer for your question.
It all depends on how you set up the RBA. For me no. I believe that the MVP has a Amp limitation of 3 AMPS.

If you set up Micro-Coils at 1.8Ohm and above on the MVP than it would probably be fine. But since I don't do Micro Coils and my preferred Ohm level is lower RBA is not an option for me on the MVP

I use the MVP when I'm going on a camping trip and need a 3 day battery life, and I paired it with a Pro Tank. MVP is more suited to vanilla middle of the road vaping.

The Vamo is a better choice for RBA especially if you use it with two 18350 Batteries. I've been told that the Vamo will do 15 Watts, which is plenty for most [Too Cool For Me] with two 18350 Batteries and only around 10 Watt when using just one 18650 Battery [Here say]. I read that the Amp limitation on the Vamo is 5 Amps which ties in very well with 15 Watt Vaping.

 

[repulsivesalvation]

Wowzers! Thanks for that info, I was trying to wrap my head around what I read about the limitations before and you cleared it up for me.

 

[tmoore]

In a thread titled "First APV, Looking for advice" I don't think sub-ohm coils on a mech mod is quite the direction to go. Good tech info up there, but a bit out of place I think.

What's noteworthy is, yes, sure you can use an rba or rda on an a Vamo, SVD, MVP, Provari and most any other power source. I would in fact advise a VV/VW device because it provides a level of safety and a handy dandy readout of the resistance of the coil you just built, as well as the flexibility to vape at the voltage/wattage you find you like best. The 'limitations' are only relative to mech mods, and those limitations keep you from delving too deep into dangerous territory.

 

[tomzgreat]

You have a very good point except
At the very beginning the op asked

As far as RBA's go i am considering the following:
$16.59 Oddy Clear Tank Rebuidable Atomizer - 1.8
I would love to hear feedback from anyone with experience with it.

So he indicated intends to get into RBA with his next purchase.

I think that flexibility and future compatability are relevant to the choice.

In a thread titled "First APV, Looking for advice" I don't think sub-ohm coils on a mech mod is quite the direction to go. Good tech info up there, but a bit out of place I think.

What's noteworthy is, yes, sure you can use an rba or rda on an a Vamo, SVD, MVP, Provari and most any other power source. I would in fact advise a VV/VW device because it provides a level of safety and a handy dandy readout of the resistance of the coil you just built, as well as the flexibility to vape at the voltage/wattage you find you like best. The 'limitations' are only relative to mech mods, and those limitations keep you from delving too deep into dangerous territory.

 

[repulsivesalvation]

I went ahead and bought an MVP as I found a kit on Clouds of Vapor for $50.80 shipped with a coupon code. I couldn't make my mind up about jumping into expensive mechanicals or a Provari so I went with something safe.

 

[dhomes]

Affordable and good for a beginner:

- Smotech Natural, once you sand the contact points it works great!
- K100 clone hits pretty good too and it's dirt cheap, I just dont like how Gennies look on top of it (but it's a very nice device for attys and RDAs)
- Best RDAs for the money, IGO-L/W or Phoenix v1 or 2
- Best RBA (again, for the money) RSST or AGA-T

- Just saw a Caravela clone with promo code for $30 until the end of july with a very good review on youtube (very little voltage drop): the link is at gotsmok.com

mid-range GOOD mod Rainbow Heaven MKB-TS (about $80 to $100). using one right this seconds with an AGA-T on top.

EH Pro EA Clone (or something like that) is getting some really good reviews too for $50 but they are hard to find at the moment

all in all, if you bargain shop, you can get device + rba + wick (best price on mesh is at steammonkey btw) and wire (ebay for this!!!!) for some $50 to $60, $100 to for to $120 for mid range

'high end' but easy to find: Provaris & Reos come to mind

and then off course the +$250, hard to get things you need to hunt down (looking at you, GGTS)

Oh! stay away from a VAMO, I have one, it relies on Pulse-width-modulation. You will down the like like to experiment with low ohm? (& I'm taking here 1.2 to 1.5, not even sub-ohm, it's not good)

Also, a provari is GREAT for anything on or above 1.5 ohms, it has a flat signal unlike the vamo and you wont always want to vape sub ohms (I enjoy both worlds myself)

 

[tomzgreat]

I went ahead and bought an MVP as I found a kit on Clouds of Vapor for $50.80 shipped with a coupon code. I couldn't make my mind up about jumping into expensive mechanicals or a Provari so I went with something safe.

Come back and tell us about how you like your choice maybe a week after you own the APV.

At the price Point of $50.00 it's great value, heck if you bought a quality charger and batteries for a Vamo that would cost around $50.00 alone.

 

[Bpiatt]

Thanks for all of the great information everyone. I think i am going to go with the stainless steel v3 Vamo as my first APV. It has all of the features that I am looking for and is well within my price range. It also has the highest amp rating (5 amps) of the models in my price range. I am going to buck up and buy a RSST or AGA-T as my first RBA. Where is the best place to buy 400 mesh stainless steel for making wicks?

 

[tomzgreat]

Thanks for all of the great information everyone. I think i am going to go with the stainless steel v3 Vamo as my first APV. It has all of the features that I am looking for and is well within my price range. It also has the highest amp rating (5 amps) of the models in my price range. I am going to buck up and buy a RSST or AGA-T as my first RBA. Where is the best place to buy 400 mesh stainless steel for making wicks?

Vamos a great choice for the reasons you described.
I've never owned one because they are one of the longest Tube Mods around.
I dislike long units. That's a personal preference.

I'm lazy and don't like rolling and oxidizing my own so I bought Pre-Oxidized, Pre-rolled
ss400 at good prophets. Worked out fine.

 

[repulsivesalvation]

I also found out that they updated the MVP and it now does wattage and reads ohm's.