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Hello! (;

I am trying for few days to mix and match the flavoring I have, but nothing amazing yet :<
Please advise me on good mixtures I can make with the flavors I have right now at home.
Many many (many) thanks!

Double Chocolate Clear (TFA)
French Vanilla (TFA)
Peanut Butter (TFA)

Cantaloupe (TFA)
Papaya (TFA)
Peach (LA)
Watermelon (FA)

Mango (TFA)
Mango (LA)

Apple (TFA)
Apple (LA)
Apple (FA)

555 Type DK tobacco (TFA)
Virginia tobacco (FA)

Ethyl Maltol 10% PG (TFA)
Sweetener (TFA)

100% VG
100% PG
 

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Hello! (;

I am trying for few days to mix and match the flavoring I have, but nothing amazing yet :<
Please advise me on good mixtures I can make...

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100% VG
100% PG

Please provide a little more info. The 100%, is that the nic content? Or, is that just your way of saying plain vg/pg - no nic at all?
 

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French Vanilla with a touch of Mango would make an ice-creamy blend; try maybe 4% van, 2% mango. I don't use LA, but if you like their Peach, I'm sure it would also go with French Vanilla and/or Mango. Peach-Mango is a great combo, better yet as accents in French Vanilla.

Maybe you've already tried a Reese's flavor, but if not, start around 3% Double Choc + 2% Peanut Butter
 

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Please provide a little more info. The 100%, is that the nic content? Or, is that just your way of saying plain vg/pg - no nic at all?

didn't knew its that important for the flavor, i just wanted to mention that i can adjust the pg/vg ratio by your suggestions, but what i have right now are:
100% vg w/o nic, 100% vg 12mg nic
100% pg w/o nic, 100% pg 12mg nic
:)


French Vanilla with a touch of Mango would make an ice-creamy blend; try maybe 4% van, 2% mango. I don't use LA, but if you like their Peach, I'm sure it would also go with French Vanilla and/or Mango. Peach-Mango is a great combo, better yet as accents in French Vanilla.

Maybe you've already tried a Reese's flavor, but if not, start around 3% Double Choc + 2% Peanut Butter

Thanks!
Do you have any suggestions on the amount of sweetener and/or EM I need to add to these mixes?
I tried mixing chocolate and P.B before but it was too dull, I didn't really enjoyed that as I enjoyed "Peanut butter cups" that I got pre-mixed from stores.
 
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didn't knew its that important for the flavor, i just wanted to mention that i can adjust the pg/vg ratio by your suggestions, but what i have right now are:
100% vg w/o nic, 100% vg 12mg nic
100% pg w/o nic, 100% pg 12mg nic
:)

My concern was that you only had the 100mg/ml nic. This is dangerous stuff - they tell me.

The basis of my concern comes from a young man that recently asked "how much distilled water do I need to add to my 100mg/ml nic VG in order to be able to vape?

He had no idea about diluting it with vg or pg down to a safe nic level.

Excuse an old man's caution... I would rather annoy you over a safety issue than ignore you.
 

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Do you have any suggestions on the amount of sweetener and/or EM I need to add to these mixes?
I tried mixing chocolate and P.B before but it was too dull, I didn't really enjoyed that as I enjoyed "Peanut butter cups" that I got pre-mixed from stores.

None! Try it without any first. Do not use EM at all; it's not so much a sweetener as a flavor-muter. THAT stuff will dull your mix!
If you try it first and just gotta have sweetener, use "Sweetener" (sucralose) instead. But know that the sweet will fade if you let your finished mix sit for weeks, and it'll make the flavor muddy over time -- so make a small batch and vape it within a week or so.
 

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Excuse an old man's caution... I would rather annoy you over a safety issue than ignore you.

I appreciate that! I'm a total noob (my first week with liquid DIY) so every tip and suggestion is helpful.
Just right now my main concern is the flavor, I couldn't get to a flavor that I enjoy at least as I enjoy common branded liquids.

Thanks!
 

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It is my experience that very few great juices are less than several days or even weeks old.

Mix, shake and vape is OK for some single or double ingredient mixes - but very few.

Start off with small batches, and low percentages of flavorings. If they do not taste that great immediately, steep them. UC, CP, food dehydrator, PC cooling fan...hubcaps on your car for about 10 miles...(yes, there are many ways...). Test again, repeat. Put away for a week and test again...never give up.

I once took 2 "bad" batches and instead of dumping them in the sink, I just poured them together. The next day, I had a pretty good vanilla flavored tobacco... or was it tobacco flavored vanilla. It did not matter since I did not keep detailed records of what exactly was in the final mix... But, it was good while it lasted...
 

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None! Try it without any first. Do not use EM at all; it's not so much a sweetener as a flavor-muter. THAT stuff will dull your mix!
So what's the purpose of EM? why so may recipes using it?


use "Sweetener" (sucralose) instead. But know that the sweet will fade if you let your finished mix sit for weeks, and it'll make the flavor muddy over time -- so make a small batch and vape it within a week or so.
What should I do if I want to sweeten a mix that require steeping? sounds like between steeping and sucralose I'll have about 8 hour window to vape the whole bottle :D

Maybe you've already tried a Reese's flavor, but if not, start around 3% Double Choc + 2% Peanut Butter
I tried 2.5ml pg 2.5ml vg, (i know... i should've use 2.3ml) 0.15ml double chocolate and 0.1ml p.b, didnt had a real noticeable flavor so i added 0.1ml of french vanilla. still its kinda "meh..." okay-ish, i wouldn't really use it instead of the butter cups liquids i have purchased.

what should i do next? add more flavor? i kinda afraid to use sweetener now because i'm switching between liquids often and i want them to stay good for more than couple of weeks...

if steeping is the answer, how long to give it before i can judge if i like it or not?

thanks again you guys are awesome :)
 
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Do not use EM at all; it's not so much a sweetener as a flavor-muter. THAT stuff will dull your mix!
Wow :O I had to try it just to check it out, you're right it's totally a flavor killer, why... why?!?! some people choose to use it?

Is there any other flavor booster or sweetener other than sucralose? preferably something that won't lose taste after few weeks?
I'm tasting my liquids and going back to vape branded eliquids I purchased in the past, it's really disappointing, how can I reach the amount/strength of flavor that provided by "shelf" eliquids?
 
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Wow :O I had to try it just to check it out, you're right it's totally a flavor killer, why... why?!?! some people choose to use it?

Is there any other flavor booster or sweetener other than sucralose? preferably something that won't lose taste after few weeks?
I'm tasting my liquids and going back to vape branded eliquids I purchased in the past, it's really disappointing, how can I reach the amount/strength of flavor that provided by "shelf" eliquids?

'Ever hear the phrase that goes something like...once a lie is repeated enough times, it becomes a "truth"? That is primarily why people think that EM is a sweetener (which it rarely is, because it's hardly sweet at all)...and why people think it's necessary. (it has it's place in very small amounts for blending/muting/smoothing).

Check out the recipe subforum...you'll see all the recipes using more than .5% EM or sucralose ALWAYS have a higher percentage of the other flavors.

Saline solution will help "pop" flavors (in much the same way as salt does on food). We currently use it at 4.5% in all of our mixes (more in some - particularly bakery & chocolate).

Agree with HIC - the TFA French Vanilla and 'most any fruit go together beautifully. But but our taste-buddies prefer higher percentages there. Example: we'd use 6-8% French Vanilla, and around 4-5% on the fruits (because, almost always, when we use 'more heavy cream', it smothers the other flavors). And French Vanilla is pretty heavy (and very yummy with 'most anything).

FA Virginia - 2% ...and you got yerself a vape! It's good with fruits, too (but go easy on the fruit - around .5% for starters).
 

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Wow :O I had to try it just to check it out, you're right it's totally a flavor killer, why... why?!?! some people choose to use it?

Is there any other flavor booster or sweetener other than sucralose? preferably something that won't lose taste after few weeks?
I'm tasting my liquids and going back to vape branded eliquids I purchased in the past, it's really disappointing, how can I reach the amount/strength of flavor that provided by "shelf" eliquids?

People often use EM because they read somewhere that it sweetens, and they haven't done the comparison you just did! It is useful sometimes to mute flavors. Imagine you're making a smooth, creamy lime pie recipe, and the lime you're using has a bitter zest flavor - EM would mute that.

In my opinion, the key to good recipes is starting with great flavors, finding your personal ideal percentage for each as a standalone flavor, and lots of experimenting with combinations. If you can find recipes to copy here, ones you really like, then you'll often like others by that same person. If you want to be able to make your own creations, there's just no way to avoid experimenting. I think it's fun!

Stronger flavor... using your Reese's as a starting point...I suggested starting at 3% Double Choc + 2% Peanut Butter. So you try that and ask yourself how the balance of choc/pb is. If (for example) the pb flavor is too prominent, you add a little more chocolate. Say you end up with 4% Choc and 2% PB. But it's just not strong enough. Then you increase both flavors using the same ratio. Your 4:2 Choc:pB would go to 6:3 next. Still not strong enough, try 8:4, then 10:5... Try in small steps like that, because if you overshoot it, it can taste just horrible.

Continuing the same example, let's say you decide 8% Choc with 4% PB is the right balance of the two flavors, and about the right strength, but still missing something. That's where the real experimenting begins. I really recommend using other sweet flavors instead of Sucralose or any other sweetener. It'll taste better and stay tasty longer. For candy flavors, try adding a little marshmallow and/or caramel instead of sweetener. If you'll be adding more than just a tiny bit, mix a little batch of weaker recipe to add to - like 6:3, which leaves room for some other flavoring without getting too strong. You might still want a little Sucralose, but adding those sweeter flavors will at least minimize the Sucralose. (all the sweeteners have their own weird aftertastes if used excessively)

Regarding steeping... You'll find a lot of strong opinions here on whether it's necessary and what equipment to use for how long. I'll just be blunt - why bother with it! I vape fresh. With the exception of spicy flavors and tobaccos, I make my mix, set the closed bottle in hot tap water for a few minutes (makes the liquid really thin), shake it really well by hand, then a few more times as it cools. Always give it another quick shake before you use it. I make lots of dessert, coffee, candy, fruit, and other recipes (not many tobacco) - some with many different flavorings - and I do not age anything longer than overnight. Why not try it that way! - sure saves me the frustration of waiting, and my recipes taste great to me and most who try them.

Regarding great flavorings... different people have different preferences, and each flavor brand has its superstar flavors. There's just no way to know which ones you'll like without trying them yourself as standalone flavors. It takes time, I know. You can minimize the expense by buying small samples first. Bullcityvapor and purevapes have very cheap sample sizes, less than even wizardlabs, onestopshop, and rtsvapes.

We've come up with some super-tasty recipes using all/mostly FlavourArt flavorings over here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...pure-vapes-has-3ml-flavourart-flavorings.html It's a long thread, but full of tips, flavor descriptions, recipes, and ideas. There are similar threads for TFA and other brands. I have a huge flavor collection, but FA are my most-used.
 

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Are you using regular salt? how do you blend it to your mix?

We use (what is generically called) .9% sterline saline solution (for wound/eye irrigation). It should not have any preservatives or anti-microbial ingredients. Just USP sodium chloride & distilled water.

We would not make a solution using any type of typical salt due to the impurities (even Kosher salt without anti-caking agents is still impure because "salt" is impure). You can find it saline solution under many labels on Amazon - Baxter is a common brand.

We've been using saline solution for over a year now in every juice we make. When we changed wicking material (from standard silica to Nextel), we lowered the saline percentage. Since we use it in everything (and we only use VG - except for the PG that's in the flavors), we mix it into our VG/dilution and use that as "VG".

Our VG Base is 80% VG; 13.5% distilled water; 4.5% saline solution (.9%) and 2% pure grain alcohol.

If you want to make your own...

For those wanting to DIY saline solution, here's pure, USP sodium chloride tablets (fwiw, USP/pure is the only thing we'd consider using) Amazon.com: Sodium Chloride 1 Gm 100 Tablets: Health & Personal Care

It took us forEVER to locate USP sodium chloride/NaCl in a "buyable" pre-measured quantity (and from the reviews, we're not the only ones). We just ordered a bottle...how cool, "1 gram" tablets :) These (and the powder) can also be found on eBay. Most of the powders are ACS/Reagent grade - which is MORE pure than USP (but some have added iodine).

Btw, one 1 gram tablet + 110 mls distilled water = .9% solution

Once you have some, testing it is easy. Just add it as a "flavor" in any mix (at around 5%-ish)...make one mix with it, and one mix without it just like you did with the EM.

Nobody has to "premix" like we do. It can be added just like a flavor to any mix.
 
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Regarding steeping... You'll find a lot of strong opinions here on whether it's necessary and what equipment to use for how long. I'll just be blunt - why bother with it! I vape fresh. With the exception of spicy flavors and tobaccos, I make my mix, set the closed bottle in hot tap water for a few minutes (makes the liquid really thin), shake it really well by hand, then a few more times as it cools. Always give it another quick shake before you use it. I make lots of dessert, coffee, candy, fruit, and other recipes (not many tobacco) - some with many different flavorings - and I do not age anything longer than overnight. Why not try it that way! - sure saves me the frustration of waiting, and my recipes taste great to me and most who try them.

Regarding great flavorings... different people have different preferences, and each flavor brand has its superstar flavors. There's just no way to know which ones you'll like without trying them yourself as standalone flavors. It takes time, I know. You can minimize the expense by buying small samples first. Bullcityvapor and purevapes have very cheap sample sizes, less than even wizardlabs, onestopshop, and rtsvapes.

We've come up with some super-tasty recipes using all/mostly FlavourArt flavorings over here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...pure-vapes-has-3ml-flavourart-flavorings.html It's a long thread, but full of tips, flavor descriptions, recipes, and ideas. There are similar threads for TFA and other brands. I have a huge flavor collection, but FA are my most-used.

Regarding steeping -

Steeping does alter the taste of many mixes, sometimes substantially. We2 simply do not have the time/lifestyle/space to do be able to "mix as we vape".

We keep over 50 different juices in our 'pantry'...and only have time/space to mix once or twice a month. (We have a TINY house, and getting out the flavors, bases & equipment totally overwhelms our kitchen). We can't be getting everything out and putting it away everytime we want to make a few mls of juice. Besides, we can't even begin to get everything done in a day that we NEED to get done, so even if we had the space to leave everything out, we don't have space on our 'to do list' to be able to add anything else.

BUT, we want all 50+ 'to taste the way they taste' every time we fill a tank - and we want to know exactly what that taste is going to be before we store them. So each mix is steeped for 4 hours @ 150 degrees (or a little longer for some tobaccos) - and then we can 'vape them fast' or 'vape them slow' (over a few months) - and they almost always taste exactly the same as the day we made them.

It'd be great to be able to be "shake n' vape" vapers - but it just won't work for we2 :(
 
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