First Build Help

[trapgod]

Hey guys,
I want to buy my first ecig in a few days My budget is around 100-150 Euros.
A friend of mine had some suggestions for me:

1. A Box:
-ipv2 60 Watt box
-plume veil
-2 batteries and a intelli charger
2. A mod:
-stingray clone ss
-plume veil
-same charger and batteries

What are you opinions on those parts, do you have any other recommendations for me?
Im only an occasional smoker, so the most important things are big clouds and a nice throat kick
Thank you for your help

 

[BoomerFZ1]

1. looks good but I'd never recommend a mech mod especially to someone just getting into vaping.

 

[trapgod]

okay thank you but do you think the sigelei 100w v2 fits better? its the same prize

 

[drunkenbatman]

Hey mate, welcome! A few notes:

1. I'd listen to Boomer and forgo the mechanical. They have their charms and benefits, are an interesting part of the history of vaping, and can be dirt cheap -- but you'll be able to do everything a regulated that you can on a mech. You'll also be doing it safer and with way more control and options. Once you know what you're doing you'll know if you want a mech for a backup.

2. Unless you're set on the plume, be open to something more friendly to single-coil builds so you can progress. You don't know how to wick, and dual coils can be a bit aggravating.

3. For batteries check out the samsung 25r.

4. For the mechanical, you need to be budget for an ohm/multimeter to check the atomizer and mod for shorts.

5. You don't have any redundancy. Really consider some form of backup for the dripper in case you struggle building it, just don't want to carry a dripper and a bottle of eliquid around, or something weird happens and you melt the insulator.

 

[Lova]

Do you want to spend time learning to build coils because both of those sets need an ohm meter/dmm, kanthal and wicking material and you need to learn battery safety, amp limits, what is safe ohms for the batteries, voltage drop of the mod and so forth. If the ipv2 supports 0.5ohms, you should try out either Aspire Atlantis or Kanger Subtank as an easier alternative to getting large clouds of vapor.

 

[itskohler]

I had my first mech mod and was building 2 weeks into vaping, but I researched and read soooooo much material that I was dreaming about Ohms Law in my sleep.

The regulated boxes are good for a beginner, more safety features included into the mod. With mechs, you are your ow safety features (and occasionally your own fail). What are your goals with vaping? Quit smoking, new hobby, etc?

 

[itskohler]

I had my first mech mod and was building 2 weeks into vaping, but I researched and read soooooo much material that I was dreaming about Ohms Law in my sleep.

The regulated boxes are good for a beginner, more safety features included into the mod. With mechs, you are your ow safety features (and occasionally your own fail). What are your goals with vaping? Quit smoking, new hobby, etc?

 

[trapgod]

okay guys, so I´ll definitely take a regulated box. I think I can make the coins with my friend because he has the exact same set-up and built it for another friend too
And I´m seeing Vaping as a new Hobby, so I will learn some more by myself to understand what I´m doing
So do you think the Sigelei has a better quality and produces bigger clouds?

 

[DingerCPA]

Guten Tag, trapgod.

The mod in and of itself is not going to be the "cloud producer". You have to consider the coil, wicking material, airflow, and PG/VG ratio of the juice. PG is the flavor carrier; VG is the vapor producer. The mod has to have sufficient (SAFE) power to fire the coil. I get very satisfactory clouds with about 50/50 juice on a 1.8Ω coil fired at 9W. I DIY my juice, and I'm starting to alter my PG/VG ratio. Right there, I'm finding slightly denser cloud production (but I'm not one who's off to fill a room.)

If you're going to start building your own coils, you certainly need an ohmmeter (and it wouldn't hurt to have a DMM - digital multi-meter - to check your batteries.) I don't have the links handy, but there's a gentleman named Baditude on the forums. He has a great number of blogs regarding Ohm's Law and battery safety. Please make sure to check those out BEFORE you start building.

This has become a great hobby for me. Building coils (very simple ones, but effective for my needs), mixing juices, etc. However, the foremost result is that I've finally quit smoking after almost 30 years.

There's lots of great information out here - do some reading and studying. There's also an application at steam-engine.org that can give you some guidance regarding your builds. It's a great reference, but never fire a built coil (even if you follow the guidance of the calculator) without measuring the resistance first. It might look pretty, but if something's not connected correctly, it could be bad.

Tschuss

 

[drunkenbatman]

So do you think the Sigelei has a better quality and produces bigger clouds?

Regarding build quality, the IPV2 is generally well regarded (IPV3 is having some issues) and the Sigelei even moreso. Regarding the biggest clouds... mate, you have a lot to learn, which isn't a knock but just a reality. You're looking at dropping a lot of cash on an advanced system. If you're looking to blow big clouds, and are:

1. Addicted to nicotine: Get the sigelei or IPV2, along with a kanger subtank mini and tobeco dark horse RDA. The subtank will let you get your fix in a big way, and both the coils and RTA module are rebuildable. If you struggle at all, you'll still be able to get a really satisfying vape. The dark horse is great to build on, has solid flavor and great clouds.

2. Not addicted to nicotine: Get the Sig or IPV2, along with a tobeco dark horse RDA & either a doge or mutation X v2/3.

 

[Rat2chat2]

to ecf trapgod. Nice to meet you and so glad you are here. There are so many mods to choose from these days which I think is wonderful. Here is a thread that lists some mods under $100 which I think is pretty cool. Hope it helps some.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/variable-voltage-apv-discussion/640761-little-itty-bitty-mods-under-100-a.html

Good luck to you and I look forward to reading more about what you decide on and your successful vaping. Have fun.

 

[trapgod]

ok thank you guys for your fast and competent help
That´s what I ordered:
ipv2s 60W box
Tobeco Dark Horse Clone
2 Sony Konion US18650VTC4
and some nice Ice Apple Liquid with 3mg Nicotine

I will use the box at 0,2 Ohm at 50-60 Watts. I was using steam-engine to calculate this and it´s the median resistance. Do you think this amount is safe or should i go for 0,25 ohm, which is the "sweet spot"?

 

[itskohler]

At .2 you should really start at 20 watts and work your way up and find what you like.

 

[alexfeetham]

I personally think you're nuts to go for an RDA as your first let alone going down to 0.2 ohms!!! I've been vaping since last year and have only just got an RDA and mech mod. I would HIGHLY recommend you do NOT go above 6 volts if you decide to go for 0.2 ohms as this would put you right at the limit of your battery.

I would start with something a little higher ohm wise, try 0.8 ohms. With box mods the coils resistance matters less as you can adjust the output of the mod. Theres so much more to consider than just the ohms, the thickness of the wire, how its wicked, the airflow of the RDA. Make sure to do plenty of research.

You're also going to need:

Wire (Kanthal 28g seems to be the starter gauge)
Wicking material (organic cotton, japenese cotton, rayon)
An ohm meter (You want to be able to accurately check the resistance of your coil when its in the RDA off the box mod)
Multimeter (EXTREMELY HELPFUL)
Something to build your coils around (I use a drill bit set, steam engine lets you set the inner diameter of the coil, this is the size of the thing you build around, for me I usually build around a 2mm drill bit)

You really do need to look into safety when using RDAs and mods. Plenty of useful stuff here on the forums. Oh and welcome to vaping!

 

[drunkenbatman]

ok thank you guys for your fast and competent help
That´s what I ordered:
ipv2s 60W box
Tobeco Dark Horse Clone
2 Sony Konion US18650VTC4
and some nice Ice Apple Liquid with 3mg Nicotine

I will use the box at 0,2 Ohm at 50-60 Watts. I was using steam-engine to calculate this and it´s the median resistance. Do you think this amount is safe or should i go for 0,25 ohm, which is the "sweet spot"?

Some notes:

1. I don't know where you ordered those batteries, but unless it's one of the few known-good places, treat them as though they are counterfeits as I don't think have the ability to really test them. They're hard to find and widely counterfeited -- and you don't know what's being wrapped, but hopefully it's at least 20amp.

2. Your first build shouldn't be below 1ohm, and then start lowering from there in increments as you learn. You have to allow for your IPVs ohm meter to be off by 0.1 - 0.2, and you have so much to learn. Kanthal is cheap. If you're after blowing big clouds, 0.1-2 ohms isn't going to be your achilles heal it's going to be the quality of your coils, wicking, and airflow.

3. With a regulated box you can generally do a higher ohm and then increase the wattage to compensate.

4. What's the PG/VG ratio of the eliquid? For what you're wanting to do you're going to want 70%+ VG and most likely 100% VG, both for the vapor and not destroying your throat.

 

[trapgod]

OK guys again a big thanks a friend of mine has all the needed equipment and also a gold knowledge. He has the same setup and i tested his ecig at 50w and 0,2 ohm and Fell in love im getting the batteries from ecig-hardware.de is that a well known good shop? The liquid is 65%pg and 35% vg

 

[drunkenbatman]

OK guys again a big thanks a friend of mine has all the needed equipment and also a gold knowledge. He has the same setup and i tested his ecig at 50w and 0,2 ohm and Fell in love im getting the batteries from ecig-hardware.de is that a well known good shop? The liquid is 65%pg and 35% vg

Can't speak to the place you're buying, I'd check the negative reviews section and now that you have 5 posts head over to the foreign language/german area and ask (might need to tick over the hour for the server to catch up).

You're definitely going to want a higher VG for blowing clouds, 65% PG is what you'd want in a tank not a dripper. 50/50 would be your minimum, and 7-100% more ideal -- it's going to have a pretty monster throat hit if you kick up the wattage.

 

[trapgod]

I was missinformed about the liquid, it has a sick 80/10/10 mixture, which blows some nice clouds so all my doubts are gone andI´m just hoping I can vape asap
Ty all guys for your help

 

[Asbestos4004]

Some friend. These folks are trying to steer you right, trap. With a 60w box mod, you'd do much better with a .7-1.0 ohm coil than a .2 . It'll just work better. If your wicking and airflow are right, you can blow big clouds. Then you can lie and tell everybody its a .2

 

[alexfeetham]

Yeah thats the thing with box mods, you don't have to go low. You can go higher ohms and just whack up the power. I would highly recommend you get a tank of some kind though, I'd personally recommend an aspire atlantis. Its as close as you can get to an RDA with a tank IMO.