First extraction tastes like black tea and crap

[Cyrus Vap]

I have two fullish packs of American Spirits (regular, not lights) from before I started vaping (quit on my first day!)

I emptied out 4 cigs into a mug, covered in VG, and thinned it a bit with 96% PGA. I heated it indirectly in a pan of simmering water for a while, then let it cool, covered it and let it sit for a few days

The result was a THICK brown liquid that smelled like strong black tea, maybe some cocoa and earthy notes vaguely reminiscent of a tobacco shop. I filtered it a few times and proceeded to try it.

It tastes like the above, plus some crap I've used it as an add on to mixes I like, and on its own, not too good. Its not terrible, don't get me wrong, but I don't like vaping black tea!

Was it the tobacco or the extraction that went wrong? I dunno. Probably both!

 

[Semiretired]

Maybe it was the chemicals used to process the tobacco in your cigs...

 

[Playa_hamm420]

Maybe it was the chemicals used to process the tobacco in your cigs...

American spirts from what i understand are all natural no additives so i wouldnt think that would be it....

Its prolly just VG dosent absorb ALL the flavors your wanting.. VG can hold only so much " Stuff " before the saturation level is at its Max.. some flavors may have been left behind or it could be there was not enuff heat to transfer flavors from 1 medium into the next..

 

[Tona Aspsusa]

Its prolly just VG dosent absorb ALL the flavors your wanting.. VG can hold only so much " Stuff " before the saturation level is at its Max.. some flavors may have been left behind or it could be there was not enuff heat to transfer flavors from 1 medium into the next..

My first extraction was the innards of one weird cigarillo (brand "Partner", bought in Riga, Latvia, manufactured in Indonesia) in, let me see, 20ml PGA, 10 ml distilled water and 2 ml VG. It has a very mild taste, and is very nice to vape at about 18% in 50/50 PG/VG. I've also been putting in a bit of it in other liquids, and it is just *nice*. Very difficult to describe.

I too did a bit of experimenting today, and something weird happened; must update that thread.

 

[Sweeney Todd]

American spirts from what i understand are all natural no additives so i wouldnt think that would be it....

I've read several articles that mention freebase nicotine levels in American Spirits are through the roof. Ammonia is used to do that.

As one of the articles mentioned, for all we know, they could use cat urine to process their tobacco, that's "natural" and would not be labeled a "chemical additive", because it's a part of the manufacturing process (talk about splitting hairs). You're basically trusting R.J. Reynolds (who owns them) to be 100% forthright and honest.

Regardless, I personally would only do extractions on loose tobacco such as pipe tobacco.

 

[Shilo]

Thread title made me laugh. I don't know maybe it has something to do with the additives in the actual cigarettes. Or its needs a longer steep.

I am this close to actually trying one of the methods on this forum myself. The only tobacco juices I can stand are the house extracted so far but I imagine they are getting a cleaner base product.

 

[Ladypixel]

American Spirit tobacco is actually one of the worst out there for additives. I had to stop smoking them because they gave me near-immediate headaches from the filler crap they put in there, back in the day. I wouldn't use American Spirit for anything.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

so how does one confirm that their base tobacco is actually additive free? what do you guys like to use?

 

[Bostonsnboxers]

so how does one confirm that their base tobacco is actually additive free? what do you guys like to use?

I've got one going right now with Gambler. Go to a smokeshop and get loose tobacco

 

[Sweeney Todd]

Hey, it gives an excuse to hang out in cigar shops and smell pipe tobacco. I never smoked a pipe, but I always loved the aromas of unburned pipe tobacco. I've got some flavored tobacco I should try an extraction on.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

All well and good my friends, but how do you know these products are 'pure tobacco' and not drowning in additives analogous to cigs?

 

[Bostonsnboxers]

I guess you'd have to research...like anything else?

 

[Semiretired]

All well and good my friends, but how do you know these products are 'pure tobacco' and not drowning in additives analogous to cigs?

I doubt there is any tobacco product on the market that does not have some sort of chemicals used during processing. There is something used in everything nowadays - we live with it. But, I would bet that it is less than what is in the analogs we used to smoke...

 

[boneshark187]

It tastes like the above, plus some crap

lol...and how exactly do you know what crap tastes like?

 

[Cyrus Vap]

I was crazy in my twenties....

 

[Cyrus Vap]

j/k lol hahahaah

 

[kodykills]

Do you guys think doing an extraction on fresh dried tobacco leaves grown locally would go any smoother than using pipe tobacco or snus?

 

[Cyrus Vap]

I guess you'd have to research...like anything else?

I guess my point was, even as a former pipe smoker, I don't straight away trust 'loose fresh tobacco' to be anymore 'clean' than marlboro crapola; though it certainly tastes leaps and bounds better

 

[Bostonsnboxers]

I guess my point was, even as a former pipe smoker, I don't straight away trust 'loose fresh tobacco' to be anymore 'clean' than marlboro crapola; though it certainly tastes leaps and bounds better

Sure..just because it's advertised as 'additive free' it's still advertising
Frankly as a smoker, knowingly partaking in carcinogen inducing behavior I didn't much sweat the finer points ya know? Lesser of the evils and all that. I suppose you could have it tested...somewhere (?) if it was a concern for you and you were determined to try it. I'm far from an expert ...

 

[pinellaspete]

I think some type of additives are used in all tobaccos. I think they start with spraying the plants shortly after they are harvested to help with the drying/curing before it even moves to the processing plant.

Pete