flashlight batteries safe for mech mods

[StrappedKaos]

Hello fellow vapers, so I have always been into high tech flashlights as I needed them for my job and now I have an abundance of batteries that I really don't use that much anymore as I don't work at that job anymore. I have a bunch of diff. Batts that I would like to see if I can use in my vaping world.
Sanyo ur18650a they are red 2200mah
Panny irn18650 green 2200mah
I will add the first three letters once I get home...out waiting for wife.
I have researched and all are unprotected and none are high drain- so a couple questions
Are they ok being non protected in a vamo? What are risk in a mechanical. mod?
I have panny ch18650 grey that are high drain and I can run at 6v no prob. Should I run the other Batts at low volts since they are not high drain?
I am looking to get into mechanical mods since I like rbas and wanna run lr/low ohm, since that is the case should I not run those unprotected and not high discharge Batts in a mech and only my grey pannys?
I know they are odd questions just so many opinions on all site about the unprotected/non high drain Batts would rather ask again then try and die. I am wanting to get some 18350 for my vamo also so then more Batts sitting around or trade for 18350 or mechanical mod. Any info will help. Strapped

 

[bnrkwest]

When it comes to batteries for any PV device, be sure they are high drain, rechargeable, safer chemistry or protected batts. Never skimp on batteries. Wrong batts can and have exploded! Not worth the risk. Much better safe than sorry especially in a mech. bnrk

 

[Baditude]

double post

 

[StrappedKaos]

Thanks for the warning and I do only use quality Batts. Was wondering if anyone had any experience with these or like Batts. The vamo loves the green pannys at 3-3.6volts they last all day, just wondering why or how they work at higher volts? Also if I buy the vapesaver or likes for non protected Batts can I run in mechanical with high ohm rbas? Anyone use these in mechanical with good results? I hate to let great Batts sit when I could be using more often, I had an addiction to lights like I do vaping and tend to buy things to try or that people say are better, I used light an hour a night and always had motto rather have amd not need then vice versa plus I'm a prepper lol. Strapped

 

[Baditude]

All the batteries listed here at RTD Vapor are safe to use in an APV (advanced personal vaporizer). Genuine AW Batteries at RTD Vapor

The batteries that we use are either protected Li Ion or high-drain safer-chemistry IMR Li Mn batteries. You can use either the protected or IMR batteries in a mech mod, but because regulated mods require high drain amperage for their boost circuits IMRs are suggested. To add an additional layer of protection to your APV, you can consider using a Batteries : Vape Safe Mod Fuse 2

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-information/190146-pictures-serious-battery-failure-imr-18650-a.html#post3265928

 

[StrappedKaos]

Thanks for link, Def. Helpful and like the fuse

 

[Steam Turbine]

Should I run the other Batts at low volts since they are not high drain?

Low voltage does not mean low amperage

For example a 0.5 ohm coil running at 3.0 volt = 6 amps... This could set your house on fire if you don't use the right batteries.

 

[Baditude]

Thanks for link, Def. Helpful and like the fuse

Mechanical mods have few if any safety features. A collapsable hot spring or vent holes only come into play once a battery has already decided to become a firecracker. Even protected batteries can use another layer of safety in a mech mod by using a vape safe mod fuse.

Regulated devices like the Vamo have protective circuitry built into the processor. They can generally detect a bad atomizer or a potential short in a battery and either refuse to fire or totally shut down to protect the atty, the processor, and the user from harm.

Li Ion batteries use a volatile chemistry which once they become hot can easily go into thermal runaway, therefore the need for built-in protective circuits in them. The IMR batteries are a safer chemistry that is less volatile and don't need those protective circuits. However, as the one link that I showed of the exploded battery, no battery can be considered completely safe, even an IMR safe chemistry battery. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-information/190146-pictures-serious-battery-failure-imr-18650-a.html#post3265928



This protected battery exploded in my mech mod.

 

[StrappedKaos]

Again thanks for all the info. So green pannys work great and I researched and they are rated to take over 5amp no prob. I did math and using greens at 5volts with 2.8 ohm atty I'm safe with vamo, just less than 2hours of vape time give or take. Not going to use Sanyo or greens in any mechanical as it not safe even with fuse. So grey pannys in mechanical and leaves me 26 panny and Sanyo to run in vamo, still have many batteries I have aquired of the last year for my lights. Really want to trade some of my greens and sanyos for 18350 or a cheap mechanical to add to collection for low ohm rba that I can't run on vamo, anyone know a site I can make trades on? I worked at interstate Batts for some time and learned a lot about Batts and still like to ask and get user feedback but I know we had one explosion out of millions of Batts and it was when I load tested a batt that came off 3day 2amp charge a day after charge, scary stuff but never had an issue with non lead auto Batts. strapped

 

[StrappedKaos]

So I was looking online and found the same pannys I have but grey instead of green? Not sure what the diff. is? Same part number just diff. color, DOes color dictate something with panasonic batts? Strapped

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

Li Ion batteries use a volatile chemistry which once they become hot can easily go into thermal runaway, therefore the need for built-in protective circuits in them. The IMR batteries are a safer chemistry that is less volatile and don't need those protective circuits. However, as the one link that I showed of the exploded battery, no battery can be considered completely safe, even an IMR safe chemistry battery. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-battery-failure-imr-18650-a.html#post3265928

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This protected battery exploded in my mech mod.

Technically, that battery "vented" rather than exploded.

As a kid, I used to get a kick out of tossing expired Duracells into a bonfire and running like hell.

ALL batteries can be dangerous if they are not used properly, abused or... tossed into a fire. Ever had a hot piece of shrapnel smack you where the sun don't shine? I have and it was my own damned fault.

I use a lot of rechargeables in some GPS equipment I must have for emergency response work. The most important document you can have are the MSDS (if applicable) and manufacturer specifications. You should read and memorize those. They'll tell you exactly what your battery can be used for, and how you should not use them.

Like, tossing them into a fire and running like hell. I can run like the wind, but a piece of shrapnel runs faster.

 

[Baditude]

Technically, that battery "vented" rather than exploded.

I agree. To many, venting equates explosion. Had the mechanical mod that I was using not had the means of releasing the hot gases coming from the battery, who can say whether the incident would have been more dramatic than venting hot gas, but become a metal tube bomb?

A venting battery is pretty damn hot, capable of causing a first degree burn or causing a fire. When my battery "vented", the mod it was in was too hot to touch and scorched the pocket in my pants where the mod was residing in my locker.

Here's a picture of another battery catastrophy - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-battery-failure-imr-18650-a.html#post3265928