Flavor and Hit What Happened?!

[kevinb83]

Hey guys! Extremely helpful site!

Here's my "been asked a million times but I don't have an hour and a half to find the answer" question:

I use an ego and my first bottle was 18mg menthol from the supplier, which i like just fine. But like anyone I want to find other flavors.

I am a non-smoker of 2 years and don't need the nic really, but i'm ok with it if necessary to have a good experience.

Bought some small bottles of 0mg of 80/20 from JuicyVapor. Lemonade, Cherry Cola, 555, Peach. I cannot even TELL I am inhaling them. NO throat hit, and absolutely NO taste until exhale, and then only a hint. So what's happened?

I have read that 0mg juices have little or no throat hit. OK. What about the taste? I can barely even taste the flavor. Is that because of the reduced pg? I am dismayed. I thought I had this world of exciting flavor coming my way and now it seems as though if there is no mint and nicotine I won't really enjoy it at all.

Where's the rush of bright punchy taste filling my mouth? IS there really NO throat hit with 0mg?

Is this just an isolated poor choice or am I going to be disappointed with every juice I pay for and wait a week to get? Help.

 

[B-Rad_The_Mad_Vapr]

If the juice was freshly made, it will need to steep a while for the flavor to come out and you can give it throat hit by adding some vodka or grain alcohol.

 

[Traver]

You can try a lower ohm carto. That will give more hit and smoke. You can also get juice with more flavor. Did you let the juices steep for a while?
FreedomSmokeUSA
This is one of the dealers that allow you to double or triple the amount of flavor. When it comes to vaping everyone is different and you have to find what works for you. No throat hit and flavor for you may be too much for the next person

 

[mlinky]

Nic is only one component of TH. Aside from the VG/PG ratio, and the equipment, certain flavors have more TH. Cinnamon and menthol are commonly cited, and as a former Kool smoker, I use both. Try VaporBomb Fire n Ice or Cinnabomb in 0 nic. It would be a shame for you to get addicted to nic, just to get TH.

 

[Landrake]

I agree with the steep suggestion as well. I've never tried 0 nic, so I can't comment on the throat hit. The juices I order are freshly made and get to me about 3-5 days after they are mixed. I was also dissapointed with weak flavor but after even a few days they improved.

 

[kevinb83]

hmm i had not read about steeping before but i will definitely give them time. i imagine this is all a combination of the things i mentioned but i really want to find some juices i can rely on without pouring tons of money at different vendors!

 

[texasgranny]

Throat hit comes from a couple different things, as stated above. Alot to read here and learn
to help you in that aspect. I would be hesitant to try the LR carts until you have confirmation that your battery can handle those which many cannot.

I am a menthol smoker as well and have over 15 different "menthols", some of which I hate and some love and some are the middle of the road for throat hit. Different vendors, different mixes of juice will be something that you have to go thru to find that perfect little spot/combination.

Some of the PV's out there just cannot give that menthol type of throat hit that many seek. Larger battery with
LR cartos helped me achieve my desired throat hit.

Trial and error is part of the game for overall satisfaction for each individual.

Good Luck and hope you find the right balance

 

[ScottinSoCal]

Is this just an isolated poor choice or am I going to be disappointed with every juice I pay for and wait a week to get? Help.

I'll second the suggestion for a lower resistance atomizer/cartomizer. Using my eGo, using the same juice, but with a higher resistance cartomizer, the juice tastes like crap. I go back to my low resistance cartomizer, and it's great again.

If you're not familiar with electricity and resistance, think of it like a tap on the garden hose. A high resistance element only opens the tap a little bit (a lot of resistance to the flow of power), so you get less heat, less vapor, less flavor. A low resistance element opens the tap a lot, so you get more heat, more vapor, more flavor.

There are limits to how low you can go - a resistance too low lets too much power through, and just like trying to force too much water through a garden hose, something breaks.

 

[Ray Ray]

I'm going through the same thing only with nicotine. I'm waiting for my lower ohm atty to get here to see if that helps. I'll let ya know

 

[dormouse]

I had a similar problem with strictlyejuice - not enough flavor for me

Some juice companies have very light flavor
Light flavors may work best on PVs that pass through flavor better (I think ones with cooler burning attys or cartos) but that might cut TH further

When I started I had to have really good TH. I had a gorgeous Peach juice (BWB) but it had no TH for me. So I mixed it with a low-flavor good TH tobacco juice (like my starter PG juice) to get Peach w/ TH. Some vanillas also have a nice TH - so that's something else you can mix low TH flavors with.

Try some juices from elsewhere? Some of the juices mixers really vary in their quality, how much flavoring they use, etc.

I've been pretty happy with FreedomSmokeUSA and you can also add extra flavor to many of their juices (or the separate free "splash of flavor" to their Flavor Range single-flavor juices) usual discount code freedomsmokeusa for 10% off (note - their sampler sizes are unconfigurable - fixed pg/vg and 24mg nic) but almost all of their other juices can be whatever pg/vg and nic you want, however some fruity flavors are a fixed 50/50. Also not all of their flavors are available as samplers)

Re FSUSA - I have not tried their vanilla yet. Raspberry tea is like a faint raspberry with some almost tobacco-like TH and they have other tea flavors. I like the Desert Ship (a flavorful Turkish blend and a bit nutty) and I haven't tried their Camel-alike yet which smells similar but maybe a bit spicy. I haven't tried their 555 (but I know Backwoods Brew's 555 is very nutty). Their RY4 is barely sweet, and oRYental 4 is their sweeter RY4 (I prefer oRYental). Their Almond Pleasure tastes real nice but I only had a bit because I got it in 12mg for when I cut my nic down soon. I was not fond of their Marlboro-alike but some people like it alot.

 

[tresrottn]

The beauty of doing it yourself. If you don't get enough flavor in your mix, you just add more flavor! I see learning to DIY in your future

I get my menthol from perfumers apprentice, and I can BANG ZOOM!! myself straight to the moon with menthol if I want to.

 

[Traver]

I'm going through the same thing only with nicotine. I'm waiting for my lower ohm atty to get here to see if that helps. I'll let ya know

I use my Ego down to 2.0 ohms but for those of you that are thinking of using this type of battery with LR attys be aware that you may be shortening the life of you battery. Most of these batteries aren't made to draw that much current. Attys and cartomizers are available in a range of 2.0 or less to around 3.6 ohms. I find my sweet spot is 2.5 with an ego type and 2.8 with an KR808.

 

[wherewolf]

I've done some mixing and find that 0mg just doesn't provide much TH at all - I've always added a little back in to the mix. Pure VG (USP 99.9%) cut 85% VG to 15% good vodka makes wonderful vapor base, with adequate TH, but it just needs a little nicotine to satisfy me. Then you can mix in your preference for flavor. Home Mixing is rather fun, and you can adjust for your own tastes. I'm going to try some of the high end flavored vodka next and see where that goes....
HTH,
Wherewolf

 

[pAth77]

...Pure VG (USP 99.9%) cut 85% VG to 15% good vodka makes wonderful vapor base, with adequate TH, but it just needs a little nicotine to satisfy me...

Thanks for that. I've always heard people say to use vodka or grain alcohol to get more TH, but you're the first I've seen to give an actual value. Out of curiosity, did you come to that value by trial and error or is 15% kind of an accepted number? I'll have to try this out on some of my weaker hitting juices.

 

[kevinb83]

i'm not quite ready to mix on my own. and frankly, with vendors out there who have SO MANY choices I am pretty sure it will be a while, if ever.

i have placed a few orders other places, nic and non-nic, and mostly if not straight pg. so we'll see!

 

[wherewolf]

Actually that number comes from the dilution of pure VG. Vegetable Glycerin is very thick; to make it vapable, you need to cut it with distilled water, DI water, or a mostly pure alcohol like vodka (nothing with extra "stuff" that will carbonize the atty's - like Kaluha!) the 85/15 ratio seems to give a pretty good mixture that is thin enough to vape without being so thin that it floods the atty's. Feel free to experiment on your own - since I direct drip, I sometimes use a thicker mix - seems to work better for me.
If you have a weak juice, cutting it with vodka will make it weaker tasting and thinner. The mixes I'm talking about are starting from scratch.

If I had weak juice that wasn't working for me, I would buy strong (24-36mg) of the same flavor and use the weak stuff to cut the strong stuff (50% 0mg weak to 50% 36mg strong) would make an 18mg liquid....without wasting the weak stuff...

Hope this helps....

 

[pAth77]

Ah, I see what you're saying. I, just like the OP, will probably never start doing DIY juices. There's just so much to choose from out there that I probably wont ever have to. Luckily, I've found my daily vape, but I'm sometimes disappointed by some juices that have a weak TH so I know where the OP is coming from. The flavors are usually good, especially if I let them steep for a bit. I usually order an 80/20 or 70/30 mix...how much vodka/grain alcohol would you add without thinning it out too much?

Also, I found this Throat Hit Plus stuff. Have you tried or heard anything about this? Figured the OP might be interested.

 

[kevinb83]

i have not tried that, but what i DID try was taking some of my 0mg peach from juicy vapor and my 18mg menthol from megacig and dripped about 2 parts menthol and 1 peach and tried that. a little strong on the menthol still but i think im getting somewhere. maybe mixing IS in my future, but i think i might be served just as well to keep trying out suppliers' juices. i have a couple other orders out that im excited to try.

 

[pAth77]

i have not tried that, but what i DID try was taking some of my 0mg peach from juicy vapor and my 18mg menthol from megacig and dripped about 2 parts menthol and 1 peach and tried that. a little strong on the menthol still but i think im getting somewhere. maybe mixing IS in my future, but i think i might be served just as well to keep trying out suppliers' juices. i have a couple other orders out that im excited to try.

Funny that you mentioned mixing peach and menthol. I just received an order from Gourmet Vapor that included what they call BigIceDogs Jumpoff Juice. It's a combination of peach, apricot, lemonade, and menthol crystals. Its probably similar to what you mixed....nice peach/apricot flavor with a slight hint of lemon and then the cooling menthol crystals kick in on the exhale. I was pleasantly surprised at how great it tasted. It may even become my new all-day vape, depending on how the other 6 flavors I ordered turned out.

I'll probably test out that Throat Hit Plus stuff sometime soon, and I'll let you know how it turns out. I emailed the vendor to find out what exactly is in it before I order.

 

[kevinb83]

it'll prob be 30 mils of grey goose lol. that jumpoff sounds right up my alley