Flavor Shots - you are a great, but frustrating idea!

[BostonVape]

Don't get me wrong, it's a great idea in theory.. but this should not be required in order to get a juice to taste decent.

I don't really think I need to list the main vendor I'm referring to.. I'm sure you can take a guess - but here's my beef:


- What happened to just having a great flavor using the house/default blend?

Now I need to check the reviews to see how many flavor shots actually makes it a decent flavor?

I think places that simply give you the option to 'double the flavor' is more than enough - that's a simple option - and most times you don't even need it.


This is so frustrating imo.. I have several bottles that are just so muted in flavor because I didn't order 3-4 flavor shots? now I need to order a new one, and hope that I don't over-flavor it.

And sure I know flavor is subjective and some people will be ok with the house blend.. but more times than not.. you need at least 1-3 flavor shots.. then once you get it, you hope that it will be ok. then you need to actually remember for the next time how many shots to add..

Like really? I'd rather order from a vendor that I know will be good without ordering anything extra.. maybe I'm being over-critical but I'm just a simple man who wants the easiest experience ordering stuff

Opinions? Hate replies? I'll enjoy it all

 

[DirewolfUSMC]

Like you said, flavor is subjective. What you find bland and muted might be just fine for someone else or even (probably rarely) overpowering for others.

I'm lucky in that I have a good, reputable vendor about 5 minutes from my house that I can vape samples of their juices in-store and determine whether or not I'll need an extra shot (or two or three) of flavor in my order beforehand. As for your situation, you're doing the smart thing: reading other users' reviews beforehand and kinda feeling out what their general perception was and whether or not they felt it needed extra flavor and how much extra it needed. Then just keep a log book running for yourself after you receive your orders. It's really not that much extra to do.

 

[patkin]

I agree and when you add the price of those shots to a "sample" size... the whole picture changes. When I order from there ;-) I just order the same in plain flavoring to add my own shots and use it to DIY too. In the long run, it costs less that way to begin with but I'll know how many, if any, shots to order if I decide to go big next time.

BTW, my favorite vendor doesn't charge for extra shots which are seldom, if ever, needed. You just ask for it in the comments when checking out. Whenever I decided to try extra, I didn't do it again. LOL Nothing perfumey just really strong flavor. I don't know how they do that actually and wish I knew where they buy their flavorings. But it was no loss as I just added some pg/vg to it and had a lighter nic for evenings which I had been wanting anyway.

 

[mecocina]

All those flavor shots confuses me. If it's a good juice, why extra flavor? I understand some people like their juices strong...I'm one of them....but I don't know how much would be enough. I have plenty of flavorings that I could add extra myself if I had to. Just my 2¢

 

[Hippieangst]

Well, if this is the vendor we're all thinking about, I've had some success with chatting with the live help. With this vendor, I have noticed a difference in flavor punch when I started changing my PG/VG mix. I just go strong as a rule of thumb.

 

[John Blaze]

Will someone PM me this vendor so I know to add extra shots when I come across said vendor. Also not sure why its left unsaid...

 

[skyztheLynnit]

Will someone PM me this vendor so I know to add extra shots when I come across said vendor. Also not sure why its left unsaid...

Fanboys/girls
just wait til you see a thread where name is mentioned.. people come to the vendor's defense and take it way too personally.

I actually thought about this the other day.. why should i have to decide flavor shots? Isn't that their job? But.. how do you like your movie popcorn? No butter? Extra? How much extra? So.. i get it.. especially those suffering from vapor's tongue.. they may want lotsa shots.

 

[GaryInTexas]

I won't be defending any vendors but I have several flavors that others prefer with 0 or 1 shot while I like it with 2. I have one flavor that really hits good for me at 3 shots. I'm glad I have that option to order flavors at a level that I enjoy. I'm surprised that some are disappointed that they are given this option.

 

[Chimney34]

Drives me krazy!! Part of the reason I'm going to get into DIY. At least if I have too much flavor this way it's my own fault!

I like the option but sometimes it's so hard to tell. Some vendors are light on flavor in general. Some are heavier! I guess we all are just picky! Lol! But in all seriousness we all are different and have different tastes. This doesn't mean it's the vendors fault. It would be impossible to try to please each & every one of us. I usually try ordering without anything first to see how that works & if I need more then I go from there.

 

[TyrannyUnleashed]

I guess I'm missing how this thread has a purpose.

If a vendor offers extra flavor shots and you aren't sure how many to get, Don't order any!
If they charge for the shots and you don't feel like you should pay for the shots, Don't order any!
If you order without added flavor shots and the liquid isn't to your liking and you still don't want to pay .25 (just an example) per shot, Don't order juice from them!

This is NOT "Rocket Science" people. If you think I'm going to get upset, because you or anyone else doesn't like a juice I like, you are sorely mistaken. I don't know you in real life, and I certaintly don't care what juice you like or don't like. I have nothing to gain or loose in what you vape

Just as I don't care if you like to order from vendors that charge for juice based on the current price of an ounce of gold. and if you like to order juice from a vendor that makes you go through hoops just to order a stupid vaping juice, such as being open for ordering a liquid, ten minutes every third day of the week in even numbered months and every fourth day of odd numbered months Go for it.

Have a blast! the important part is that you stay off the analogs, not that you have a pretty bottle or better yet a bright cool looking juice in your tank.

Please feel free to let us know why you like the/a juice. Heck you may even succeed in getting me to want to try it once I hit the lottery. But once people start getting petty trying to start arguments over a juice vendor that you don't own any stock in, is just down-right childish.

Sorry if I offended anyone, but if I did you may want to ask yourself, why are you here on the ECF forums?

 

[Plumes.91]

They should make a good house blended juice and then offer to subtract 1.50 for LESS flavor!! haha. Not make a weak juice and give you the illusion of having the option to try an extra flavor shot.

 

[lasttango]

I agree with the OP... I want a juice at its most optimal strength - and optimal pg/vg ratio. Manipulating these variables changes the taste and quality of the juice beyond what the creator may have intended... I have more faith in a vendor that either sets these variables or offers few options and explains how each may or may not change the character / taste / performance of the juice.

 

[hottierockstar]

i get the OP.
i look at it this way....especially if you have never purchased from said company before....it is somewhat disadvantageous really...
two things:
1. if i go to a new restaurant and ask the chef to change a recipe before even tasting it, it could ruin the dish and i would write off the entire restaurant as having crappy food
2. isn't part of the price of a juice purchase the "recipe"?

i am not talking about adding menthol or a "cold shot" or whatever...i mean if you are getting "banana" and you put extra shots...it can ruin it and/or mute it through overflavoring no?

hopefully that makes sense.

 

[GaryInTexas]

Yeah I just hate having to choose flavor strength and than choosing nicotine level and PG/VG levels. I think it should also be in restaurants where you just tell them to bring food and are not bothered with menus.

 

[chellemmm]

Ummm. The point is: IF the juice is flavored to appeal to the majority of the customers, extra flavor shots should only be needed by extreme flavor "junkies." Part of the recipe and price is mixing the blend that is pleasing to 99% of people, not to make the WEAKEST blend and then charge for extra flavor. That is akin to ordering coffee water and charging for stronger coffee. Just make the darn coffee (or whatever) the way it is supposed to taste for 99% of your clients.

It is disingenuous to charge a low price for weak, tasteless juice and then charge extra to make it taste like something.

 

[CapableVapable]

Yeah, I agree wholeheartedly. If I go to a vendor's site for the first time and see options for sweetener, extra flavor, fussing with the pg/vg ratio, menthol/no-menthol, etc, I'm backing away and turning off the light on the way out. I'm not going to order a juice 30 times until I finally make it right. YOU make it right, I'll try it, and if I like it, cool, and if I don't, cool.

And don't get me started on the whole "Well, if you don't like it when you get it, put it in a dark drawer for eight days with the cap off, shaking gently every afternoon at 2:00..."

 

[FinallyQuit]

I ordered from two vendors who offer variable ratios of pg/vg, extra flavor, add a shot of a different flavor, etc. etc. I just got the stock flavoring. Putting too much flavor into the bottle equals little to no flavor in the vape. And, surprisingly, with no extra shots, some of the juices were WAY strong to me. I think they have an idea that they can please everyone with all the options offered, and for the price I paid from both places, I considered it a win.

I buy expensive juice, not made with unicorn tears, doesn't come in fancy glass bottles with cork tips, but it's good stuff. It's not the ONLY thing I want to buy. There are a million and one options out there. If a company doesn't suit, move on to the next one. . .

 

[OhaiKrikket]

Personally, I totally think it's AMAZING that we (as vapers) have SO MANY choices now, and many of them are super-accessible even to new vapers.

I tried to quit smoking and switch to vaping a couple years ago, and I was so frustrated with pre-filled cartos and what felt like - at least to me at the time - a complete lack of resources and options to find something better without laying out another hundred dollars or so, both my fiance and I ended up back on analogs for a little over two years.

This time? Hey, maybe I didn't choose THE BEST equipment out of the gate, but it works. We went into this KNOWING we wanted to buy juice and refill our own cartos (he's experimenting with clearos, but I'm not there yet). And we got lucky - the second vendor we ordered from (the first, if you don't include the liquid samplers we bought with our starter kits) really WORKED for us. We liked the options, and the flavor choices, and the prices.

Someday, we may want more. Someday, we might need fancy APV's and tanks and stuff I can't even RECOGNIZE now but may become that thing WE MUST HAVE in the future. But today, I want to order my inexpensive juice, and pay for my flavor shots when it suits me, and actually really really ENJOY vaping. And I don't see how me having that option takes anything away from anyone else. There are plenty of juice vendors out there who are perfectly happy to give you NO options, if that's what you want, but it's not what I want.

 

[unclestu]

I oredered a juice and added 1 shot I thought it was just fine. After vaping steady for two days I noticed the flavor was not as strong. I tried another juice and when I went back to the first one a couple of days later I found it to be OK again. I guess your taste buds change at times. I like the idea ifbeing able to modify a juice to suite my taste as taste seems to change. I couldn't imagine going into a resturant and only being able to have my coffee one way. ome like their coffee sweet some black some light some dark. Can you imagine if when at a resturant and you couldn't add salt or pepper to your meal. That would be rediculous.
I would think that if the bargain priced juice that was being purchased was not good unless you had to add so many additional flavor shots that it ws no longer a good value people would stop buying it. For that matter the vender that I purchased from chaarges the same amount for a flavor shot for a 15ml bottle or a 120ml bottle so I don't think he is getting rich on selling extra shots.
Stu

 

[TyrannyUnleashed]

It is disingenuous to charge a low price for weak, tasteless juice and then charge extra to make it taste like something.

Who made the final decision the juice was weak and tasteless? You?
What if I find the juice to be perfect at the house suggested (default) levels? Is my oppinion then invalid?

So what everyone is saying is that if I order from a vender that does not offer any options with maybe the exception of nic. level and I find their juice to not have enough taste that I should then move-on to a different vender?

But if you come back that I should just order additonal bottle/s of concentrated juice, isn't that pretty much the same thing as requesting additional flavor shots? Do I want to pay for an entire bottle of additional flavor, or would I rather pay for a little additional flavor (at a little price)?

Now lets add-in different PG/VG levels. Won't changes in those change the flavor as well? If thats the case, people who may have issues with PG will be even more limited with who they can order fromif they can't make flavor adjustments without the need of ordering at least two bottles to get the correct flavor for one juice.

Options are NOT bad. If you can't make a decision if being offered options, then ASK someone from there, or even from here.

I can't stand it when someone feels they know what's best for me. We all are different and like different things.


I'm out of this thread!