FOIA Request Results (Open Government Advocacy by CASAA members)
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It's waay better! On the internet, nearly everyone is snarky, but it takes someone like Elaine to be called a "smarty pants" by DOCTOR Anthony Chen. Notice he didn't argue that she proved him wrong and went straight to name-calling???
pwn3d.
Not only that, but Elaine's letter to the editor apparently caused Madison County-area cardiologist Dr. John Johnstone to fill with "contempt and rage," and he called us jerks.
And the tobacco prevention coordinator Kirsten Frandsen said that I gave a "not so scientific rebuttal" to the TPCHD's 'concerns' about e-cigarettes.
And for good measure, an as-of-yet unreplied to e-mail I sent last night in reference to Bullitt County
And the tobacco prevention coordinator Kirsten Frandsen said that I gave a "not so scientific rebuttal" to the TPCHD's 'concerns' about e-cigarettes.
And for good measure, an as-of-yet unreplied to e-mail I sent last night in reference to Bullitt County
Hey, all you guys please get out of my face with all this sciencey high-tech mumbo jumbo!!
I'm busy trying to figure out how to make stuff up to get what I want and I am not interested in your facty thingies!!!!
I'm busy trying to figure out how to make stuff up to get what I want and I am not interested in your facty thingies!!!!
Ever notice how bullies (a.k.a. cowards) never stand alone? lol!
Congrats, Gregory. Your work was highlighted in the THR.org weekly review: Weekly suggested reading in Tobacco Harm Reduction – 13 July 2011 « Tobacco Harm Reduction: News & Opinions
I was popping in to post just that, but Elaine beat me to the punch.
Great work, Greg.
Great job Placebo, thanks for this. It pretty much confirms their need to appear correct rather then be correct.
Keep up the great work on all of our behalf.
Thanks again.
Keep up the great work on all of our behalf.
Thanks again.
+1 It really is disappointing that they have gotten so caught up in the anti-tobacco hatred and politicking that they ignored the fact that Kim is not just putting together an argument for some moneymaking scheme... She was fighting for the right to run a business that is showing a demonstrably positive influence in the community. If the proposed rule had been passed without the revisions, it would have been illegal to allow people to vape inside The Vaporium: A store where you can watch smokers walk in off the street... and if they aren't non-smokers by the time they walk out, there's a really good chance they'll at least cut down a fair bit. Is that really the sort of business you want to run out of town in this economy??
It definitely seems to me that the more they perceive us as organized, getting our ducks in a row, and countering all their points - the more they worry about "strategy" and start to back off. Of course, that means the best way to do that is be organized and get ducks in a row 
Careful with all that 'ducks in a row' chat, guys! Don't forget: if it looks like a duck...
Keep up the good work - you are doing an incredible job!
Cheers,
Katherine
Keep up the good work - you are doing an incredible job!
Cheers,
Katherine
Full e-mail results from the FOIA filed in Madison County, Kentucky. If someone would like to upload these to Scribd, please feel free.
I've posted several thousand pages of e-mails from the Kentucky Center for Smoke-free Policy, Tacoma Pierce County Health Department, Seattle - King County Health Department, and others on CASAA's Scribd page.
Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association (CASAAMedia) on Scribd | Scribd
Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association (CASAAMedia) on Scribd | Scribd
What's the point of all this? It nice to have my suspicions confirmed, they are foofoo heads who had NO interest in reviewing objective research, but saw the clean air act as a vehicle to promote their own social/political agenda.
My own personal interest and the public interest in knowing how taxpayers' dollars are being spent. Also, it provides an opportunity to see who is actively encouraging the bans. There's a lot e-mails about routine local government matters of course, but there's a lot of interesting tidbits in-between that.
Two notes from Seattle off the top of my head: It appears they were originally going to propose an outright ban, and in the day or days before the vote, the Washington Department of Health sent a letter in support of the legislation.
Man I wish that was a searchable doc! I went to see if they responded at all to changing "and other known" but... Alas.. I lost my place lol.
You can actually download them from Scribd, and they should still be in readable format.
Scribd may require you to join and upload something, but it can be anything.
In my opinion, the point of it is to get all vapers as ...... off as I am.
Anger is an effective motivating force for action.
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