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[closetsmokr]

I'm truly sorry about you experiences, Lisa. Mine are quite different. My parents were married for almost 50 years, up til the day my dad died of cancer. Both my parents worked, and they were able to put me and my sister through college. I now live with my mom who is 84. I support her and myself. This is how many components of feminism have benefitted me and my mom.

 

[LisaLisa]

I'm truly sorry about you experiences, Lisa. Mine are quite different. My parents were married for almost 50 years, up til the day my dad died of cancer. Both my parents worked, and they were able to put me and my sister through college. I now live with my mom who is 84. I support her and myself. This is how many components of feminism have benefitted me and my mom.

So, I"m assuming that you aren't married with children? If your mom is 84, you're probably around the same age as me, I"m 42. What do you do for a living?

Believe me when I tell you, my life was not benefited one iota by feminism. In fact, it was damaged by it, severely damaged.

 

[blondeambition3]

The reality is, some women DO have to work. Some women do not have husbands. It is for that reason that equal pay, anti-descrimination, etc were and are important.

Women who do not have Husbands have no choice but to work in this current culture and economy, but this was not God's original plan or choice for Women to not have Husbands. Women who work deserve equal pay and no one, (regardless of age, gender, race or religion) under any circumstances should be discriminated against in the workplace or elsewhere.

No one is arguing 'those' points. Instead of turning this thread into a 'fact finding' mission, let's focus on the 'real' facts behind what we're discussing to begin with. Fear appears to be at the 'basis' of this topic... and at the core of the 'facts' you've outlined above. There's no doubt that 'fear' was at the roots of the Women who led this movement... and perhaps rightfully so, but you'll never convince me or anyone else on this Forum that Man (or Woman's) ways are better than God's ways.. and that's also a fact. I'm not saying this to be mean, I'm stating this also as a fact. Now chances are, unless God Himself changes your mind your mind will stay 'fixed' on your current position also. So be it. We now know where 'you' stand, and I personally receive and respect that.. but you, by the same token must receive and respect our Biblical positions on this matter also. Fair enough?

Let us reason together for a moment, if you will; Fear is the opposite of Faith. Without Faith we can not please God. Have you considered for a moment that Historically Women have been oppressed because the same DEVIL that beguiled Eve in the Garden has been working furiously (over the past few thousand years) to see that this deception (and injustice) be continually perpetuated upon Women? Don't you think it's a little arrogant for a Society to throw the 'roles' God has carefully set out for both Men and Women back in His face and basically rewrite them to bring about what they consider to be their own (separate and superior) Agendas? Again, I reiterate and mean this with all due respect.. anything ending in 'ism' is a red flag to Christian Women because it 'removes God' and replaces Him with 'Man'. I mean I'm just asking you because I truly want to know (factually) what is lying at the basis of all this fear?

 

[blondeambition3]

I'm truly sorry about you experiences, Lisa. Mine are quite different. My parents were married for almost 50 years, up til the day my dad died of cancer. Both my parents worked, and they were able to put me and my sister through college. I now live with my mom who is 84. I support her and myself. This is how many components of feminism have benefitted me and my mom.

Oh, this truly broke and touched my heart closetsmokr. What you're doing for your Mother is truly a beautiful (and rare) thing. I pray God's peace love & blessings surround you.

 

[LisaLisa]

Womens lib told me that it was ok to have an abortion, and it was my right and a choice. It wasn't murder, it was a "choice" wrapped up with a pretty pink ladies bow. So, I did. Biggest mistake of my life.

 

[closetsmokr]

Women's Lib told my birthmother that it was okay to carry a baby to term as an unwed mother, and then put me up for adoption. She could have had an abortion, but since it wasn't, in that time, AS much of a stigma, she was not put in a position where she felt like she had to get rid of me before I was born. My birthmother shouldn't have had pre-marital sex either, but she did, and she got pregnant for the trouble. I don't know her, but I am glad she decided to let me live. My adoptive parents are the only parents I've ever known, and I am grateful to them every day for taking me in and raising me. And, taking care of my mom now is, for me, the least I can do. So, what it comes down to is how experiences are utilized to make certain decisions. Some, we regret later, and others we are thankful for.

To Blonde's point about fear. I don't really fear anything because I have faith. I feel plenty of other emotions, but fear is not usually one of them. My whole point earlier in this thread was not to argue whether every aspect of feminism was good or bad, but simply to point out that not all aspects of it (going back to the 1800's to present) were bad, in my opinion. When things are stated as fact that are simply not, I feel compelled to point out the facts. Like them or not, agree with them or not, they are the recounting of what happened in real life. Where we can choose to diverge is on the opinion side of things.

But, I thank you all, because you definitely keep me on my toes, and I get to learn or re-learn something just about every day.

 

[LisaLisa]

Why don't they call it pro-murder instead of pro-choice? Because it is murder, just that nobody likes to hear that word. "Choice" is a much friendlier word, more politically correct.

 

[LisaLisa]

Women's Lib told my birthmother that it was okay to carry a baby to term as an unwed mother, and then put me up for adoption. She could have had an abortion, but since it wasn't, in that time, AS much of a stigma, she was not put in a position where she felt like she had to get rid of me before I was born. My birthmother shouldn't have had pre-marital sex either, but she did, and she got pregnant for the trouble. I don't know her, but I am glad she decided to let me live. My adoptive parents are the only parents I've ever known, and I am grateful to them every day for taking me in and raising me. And, taking care of my mom now is, for me, the least I can do. So, what it comes down to is how experiences are utilized to make certain decisions. Some, we regret later, and others we are thankful for.

To Blonde's point about fear. I don't really fear anything because I have faith. I feel plenty of other emotions, but fear is not usually one of them. My whole point earlier in this thread was not to argue whether every aspect of feminism was good or bad, but simply to point out that not all aspects of it (going back to the 1800's to present) were bad, in my opinion. When things are stated as fact that are simply not, I feel compelled to point out the facts. Like them or not, agree with them or not, they are the recounting of what happened in real life. Where we can choose to diverge is on the opinion side of things.

But, I thank you all, because you definitely keep me on my toes, and I get to learn or re-learn something just about every day.

I"m glad you had a good life, and it's true that we can all learn from each other. Your mom made the right choice because it was in her heart to do that. I'm happy that she did and she did the right thing.

But as a whole, the movement wasn't a good thing, and it has resulted in untold suffering for millions if not billions of people, both born and unborn. Whenever God's holy arrangements are rejected, the result is never a good one. That's the general point I was trying to make.

 

[Saintscruiser]

Lady L, I am sorry for your loss. I can hear the depth of pain in your words. Know that you will see that child again in Heaven, Sweetie....I promise. He/she doesn't hold it against you. That child never had to experience sin, grief, or loss....like my grandson who was stillborn, and my first grandchild who just disolved in her mother's womb.

I can only imagine how you feel, Lady L, and I want you to know that I love you in spite of anything you have/have not done. The same with you, CS. I'm not a judge. I'm a fruit inspector. My parents were married 65 years. I always knew I was blessed and love. My mom brought us up to become good wives and mothers. I didn't go to college except for 1 semester. I hated school.....still do. What I have learned as an education, is through Almighty God and life's mistakes......and God knows of all of these mistakes. They are covered under the Blood of Jesus, thank You, Lord.....and He then forgot them as far as the east is from the west. We all have skeletons in our closet, ladies, to be honest. I love you in spite of your skeletons because Jesus covered your sins like He's covered mine. Isn't He wonderful?Hallelujah to the Lamb of God! I Praise His Name, the Name above all Names. He alone is worthy to be Praised, and my depth of love for Him is growing......due to you ladies and this board. that is an awesome blessing for me. This board has become a major blessing to me, and I want you all to know that regardless of anything, I love you.

 

[LisaLisa]

Lady L, I am sorry for your loss. I can hear the depth of pain in your words. Know that you will see that child again in Heaven, Sweetie....I promise. He/she doesn't hold it against you. That child never had to experience sin, grief, or loss....like my grandson who was stillborn, and my first grandchild who just disolved in her mother's womb.
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Thanks for your kind words SC, and you're right, it's extremely painful. Out of all of the things I've done in my life, that's the one thing that I can't get over. I just can't forgive myself for it.

The thing is, I was 20 years old at the time, on drugs, and in a very abusive relationship. At the time, I thought I was doing the "right" thing and it didn't bother me much at all. It's not until the last few years that I've felt the actual reality of what I did, how incredibly wrong it was, and that is was in fact murdering my own child. No different then those mothers that kill their kids in other ways. The full realization didn't hit me until I got older and grew on a spiritual path, and let me tell you that it's a really difficult thing to live with, knowing that you took someone elses life, your own helpless child. I don't think I'll ever get over it in this life time.

But the world says that abortion is ok, and in some instances it's actually a good thing. I'm here to say, it's never a good thing, never.

 

[blondeambition3]

Thanks for your kind words SC, and you're right, it's extremely painful. Out of all of the things I've done in my life, that's the one thing that I can't get over. I just can't forgive myself for it.

The thing is, I was 20 years old at the time, on drugs, and in a very abusive relationship. At the time, I thought I was doing the "right" thing and it didn't bother me much at all. It's not until the last few years that I've felt the actual reality of what I did, how incredibly wrong it was, and that is was in fact murdering my own child. No different then those mothers that kill their kids in other ways. The full realization didn't hit me until I got older and grew on a spiritual path, and let me tell you that it's a really difficult thing to live with, knowing that you took someone elses life, your own helpless child. I don't think I'll ever get over it in this life time.

But the world says that abortion is ok, and in some instances it's actually a good thing. I'm here to say, it's never a good thing, never.

I agree wholeheartedly with saintscruiser.. I am so sorry for your loss and love you like my actual flesh & blood Sister. If you were here I'd cry with you. Christ is so merciful to us, no matter what we've done before we came to Him.. it's all 'under the blood'.... cast into the 'sea of God's forgetfulness'... never to be 'remembered' by God again. If you were here Lisa I'd help to be a constant reminder that if God's 'forgotten' this and 'forgiven' you, then you should also. You are now such a wonderful (and powerful!) advocate 'against' abortion.. as I too am.

 

[angelique510]

I am very sorry for your loss, Lisa. I cried when I read your post. I can't even imagine the heartache and guilt you feel. (big hug)

ALL sin pains God. Stealing that candy bar when you were a kid was a sin. Telling your husband that you paid less for that new dress than you actually did was a sin. Snapping at your kids when they are driving you up a wall, is not speaking lovingly, and is a sin. Looking at someone with lust in your heart is a sin. A sin is a sin is a sin. No sin is "wronger" than another sin. I am not making light of abortion. It is a horrible thing. But God doesn't differentiate sins the way we do. As Christians, we are supposed to imitate Christ. We need to look at sin the same way He does and not categorize them into levels of wrongness.

Believing that some sins are worse than others is dangerous. If one sin is bad, and the next is badder, and the next is badder still, you can go down that line to a point where a sin is so very bad that it can't be forgiven. That puts a limitation on God's Grace. That says that His death on the cross was not 100% sufficient.

It is dangerous going the other direction too. If this sin is not as bad as the previous one, and the next sin is not as bad as this one, and so on down the line, you go from very bad, to bad, to only a little bad, to not bad at all. You will be calling sin good.

God forgives you. He said He forgives ANY sin, if you ask Him. If God forgives you, you are going against Him by not forgiving yourself. He commands us to forgive others. If we are to love our neighbors as ourselves, we ought to love ourselves as we love our neighbors. He wants you to be free. He doesn't want you to beat yourself up over it. He already had the Romans beat Him up for it. If you think about it that way, you will love Him instead of hating yourself. Love is better than hate. And focusing on Him is better than focusing on you.

I preach a lot better than I practice. Don't we all? (Poster #46 in this thread needs to read this too )

Be well,
~A

 

[angelique510]

I'm not a judge. I'm a fruit inspector.

I can't begin to explain how much I love that. It is so perfect and profound. I am going to tell myself that a hundred times a day.

Thank you

 

[LisaLisa]

You guys are so awesome, so loving, so encouraging, I don't know what I'd do without you! I love you guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[blondeambition3]

I am very sorry for your loss, Lisa. I cried when I read your post. I can't even imagine the heartache and guilt you feel. (big hug)

ALL sin pains God. Stealing that candy bar when you were a kid was a sin. Telling your husband that you paid less for that new dress than you actually did was a sin. Snapping at your kids when they are driving you up a wall, is not speaking lovingly, and is a sin. Looking at someone with lust in your heart is a sin. A sin is a sin is a sin. No sin is "wronger" than another sin. I am not making light of abortion. It is a horrible thing. But God doesn't differentiate sins the way we do. As Christians, we are supposed to imitate Christ. We need to look at sin the same way He does and not categorize them into levels of wrongness.

Believing that some sins are worse than others is dangerous. If one sin is bad, and the next is badder, and the next is badder still, you can go down that line to a point where a sin is so very bad that it can't be forgiven. That puts a limitation on God's Grace. That says that His death on the cross was not 100% sufficient.

It is dangerous going the other direction too. If this sin is not as bad as the previous one, and the next sin is not as bad as this one, and so on down the line, you go from very bad, to bad, to only a little bad, to not bad at all. You will be calling sin good.

God forgives you. He said He forgives ANY sin, if you ask Him. If God forgives you, you are going against Him by not forgiving yourself. He commands us to forgive others. If we are to love our neighbors as ourselves, we ought to love ourselves as we love our neighbors. He wants you to be free. He doesn't want you to beat yourself up over it. He already had the Romans beat Him up for it. If you think about it that way, you will love Him instead of hating yourself. Love is better than hate. And focusing on Him is better than focusing on you.

I preach a lot better than I practice. Don't we all? (Poster #46 in this thread needs to read this too )

Be well,
~A

Amen ~A.. I preach a lot better than I practice also..

This post rang so much of Christ's love & truth it made me cry also... out of relief and gratitude that we serve such an awesome God. I thank God for your transparency in Christ

 

[blondeambition3]

I can't begin to explain how much I love that. It is so perfect and profound. I am going to tell myself that a hundred times a day.

Thank you

You and me both ~A... It is so perfect and profound.... I perceive a 'truth' the Holy Spirit led her into....

 

[blondeambition3]

You guys are so awesome, so loving, so encouraging, I don't know what I'd do without you! I love you guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, YOU are awesome Lisa! YOU are so loving & so encouraging ... and I personally don't know what I'd do without YOU!

 

[blondeambition3]

You guys are so awesome, so loving, so encouraging, I don't know what I'd do without you! I love you guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your name in Hebrew, by the way is "Lisa"... (hard to believe that's a Hebrew name isn't it?... but it is).... and it literally means 'Consecrated to GOD"... and if you'd like to see how it's spelled (and looks) in Hebrew... Lisa in Hebrew

 

[Saintscruiser]

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I can't begin to explain how much I love that. It is so perfect and profound. I am going to tell myself that a hundred times a day.

Thank you

Angel, you are so precious to Jesus.....don't you know that? If He had a refrigerator in Heaven, YOUR picture would be on it! No matter what you've done, and trust me when I say I've done plenty, you are a child of THE KING! I've said it before and I'll say it again. Since you are His child, that makes YOU a Princess. The first 5 letters of your name is angel! So you were into the dark side. Every time we sin, we're into the dark side. I would love to hear your testimony! Jesus brightens the darkness with His Light. It's impossible for darkness to stay around the light. When the p.o.p. accuses you of something you know you've been forgiven of, just rebuke his .... in the Name of Jesus. That's what I do when he reminds me of something. You don't have to take that......take authority over it through the Power of Jesus! Stand tall and stand firm.

Lisa, same to you! I hate sounding like a Nike commercial, but 'Just do it!" You both will feel better and stronger! Allow God to strengthen you!

 

[trukinlady]

Heavenly Father, we thank You so very much for your infinite love, healing, and forgiveness in every area of this life You have given us. Only You understand the heartache that lies deep within, and only You can heal it. By Your loving Grace and gentle hands that hold us close to You. Your love is unconditional, and eternal. You take the fiery darts of the wicked one, and shield us from the flames. You surround us with Grace and Mercy, by the Blood of Your precious Son Jesus. Keep our hearts, Father. And know our love for You knows no end. In Jesus Holy Name, AMEN!