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STILLSMOK9

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Definition

Business governed by the laws of supply and demand, not restrained by government interference, regulation or subsidy. also called free market.




E-cicarettes are not going to threat tobacco companies or big pharma because e-cigarettes are NOT for everyone. I have tried to get several of my smoker friends to convert. Not one of my friends have converted. They feel these little devices are "too much work". Most people will not have the patience for these devices.IMO

So with this being said there will always be a market for real cigarettes. Just open the pack pull out the cancer stick and smoke your life away. For people that feel the work is worth the lowered risk to your health, then they should be able to choose the e-cigarette.

Free Enterprise

Is this not a true test to the integrity of our constitution?

Just read the definition and give this some thought! :evil:
 

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Read the definitions of "drug" and "drug delivery device" as spelled out in regulations the FDA follows. Fact: Approved products can compete in the free market. Like them or not, laws protect you and everyone else from the unscrupulous who sell worthless or dangerous potions as having value. If something has value and commercial appeal, prove it worthy of competition.

And I agree on the potential market for e-cigs. If one in 10 smokers converted, it would be a miracle that I don't think will happen. Cigarettes are unique. Since this forum went online, we have seen many enthusiastic e-smokers travel the road back to cigarettes and then disappear from posts here.

Our "failure" rate is no doubt high but we need at least a year of exclusive e-cig use to get a number. I'm expecting to see one in a Goodwill before long ...
 

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I think if those whom sell electronic cigarettes had, from the beginning, sought FDA approval as a 'stop smoking' device, like nicotine gum or patches, then the FDA would have approved e-cigarettes quickly.

However, the e-cigarette industry simply refuses to classify this product as one that can be used to stop smoking. As such, from my understanding, the FDA is getting its back up and is seeking to regulate the e-cigarettes as some type of drug.

By the by: the U.S. Constitution does not address the type of economic system this county must have.
 

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We should have the right to vape!!!!!!!

We should have the right to do whatever we desire that makes us happy - as long as we are not harming others.

Smokers have the right to smoke.
Fat (I am one) people have the right to eat.
Alcoholics have the right to drink.
The list goes on, and on, and on....

Eating too much can kill you too - don't see them putting a ban on McDonald's, do ya??

I think it is time for us as American's to let the Gov't know that we run them, not the other way around. We fought to become free from the British. We fought to be free of slavery. We have fought for the right to vote. Now, I am asking myself - what the @*%# have we fought for???

The more I see on the news and read in the paper is making me absolutely embarrassed to call myself an American. America is supposed to be the "Land of the free, and home of the brave". Funny, we are anything but free, and chicken sh#t of our own government that WE VOTED FOR AND PUT IN OFFICE!!!!

Sorry for the rant. I am just sooo tired of losing my freedom because some ...... thinks he/she knows what is best for me. I already have a Mommy & Daddy, and I do not need another.

Vape in Peace.....
 

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Those of us who wish to smoke e-cigarettes have the right to do so. If they are banned perhaps a class action lawsuit, or loud, continual protests would work. Our government has been moving away from democracy for some time. Politicians refusing to listen to constituents and federal agencies applying contraints upon personal freedom. Protests are needed and not just surrounding the e-cigarettes, but our politicians need to be reminded that this is a democracy.
 

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we should have the right to do whatever we desire that makes us happy - as long as we are not harming others.

Smokers have the right to smoke.
Fat (i am one) people have the right to eat.
Alcoholics have the right to drink.
The list goes on, and on, and on....

Eating too much can kill you too - don't see them putting a ban on mcdonald's, do ya??

I think it is time for us as american's to let the gov't know that we run them, not the other way around. We fought to become free from the british. We fought to be free of slavery. We have fought for the right to vote. Now, i am asking myself - what the @*%# have we fought for???

The more i see on the news and read in the paper is making me absolutely embarrassed to call myself an american. America is supposed to be the "land of the free, and home of the brave". Funny, we are anything but free, and chicken sh#t of our own government that we voted for and put in office!!!!

Sorry for the rant. I am just sooo tired of losing my freedom because some ...... thinks he/she knows what is best for me. I already have a mommy & daddy, and i do not need another.

Vape in peace.....
amen!!!!!!!
 

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There is no doubt electronic cigarettes are not for everyone. I've shown them to many people who expressed interest, but after telling them the cost they respond, "Whoa that's too much."

A lot of people, though I explain to them in the long run it's WORLDS cheaper, still don't want to fork over the initial costs, despite the low upkeep.

That's really been my biggest sales pitch killer.
 

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There is no doubt electronic cigarettes are not for everyone. I've shown them to many people who expressed interest, but after telling them the cost they respond, "Whoa that's too much."

A lot of people, though I explain to them in the long run it's WORLDS cheaper, still don't want to fork over the initial costs, despite the low upkeep.

That's really been my biggest sales pitch killer.
Features do not sell, BENEFITS SELL!!!

E-cigarettes have TREMENDOUS BENEFITS!!!!
 

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Since this forum went online, we have seen many enthusiastic e-smokers travel the road back to cigarettes and then disappear from posts here.
We all know many have disappeared from these boards Bob; but do we really have any number on who of those went back to tobacco; how many perhaps went to other forms of nicotine; how many got off the nicotine and vaping and just dwindled away because of that; how many went happily on vaping, but got 'forum-tired' (or got chased away because of the changes to the boards)?


I think if those whom sell electronic cigarettes had, from the beginning, sought FDA approval as a 'stop smoking' device, like nicotine gum or patches, then the FDA would have approved e-cigarettes quickly.
History: US wasn't the first country where e-cigs were marketed: outside of china itself, it all started on the mainland of europe, namely in the Benelux. And it was marketed as... smoking-cessation device. Which immediately got followed by outcries from those governments that the e-cig should be stopped cold right there, because marketing it as a cessation device was not allowed/possible without first doing slews of tests and undergoing strict regulations... Belgium banned it; Luxembourg did too I think; Netherlands banned any advertizing on them (as advertizing is forbidden for any medical device or drug there).

So Ruyan and others got a shock from those reactions, and learned from that; and switched to marketing them as tobacco-alternative in any further countries they entered. Because marketing them as cessation-devices would clearly lead nowhere...
 

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We all know many have disappeared from these boards Bob; but do we really have any number on who of those went back to tobacco; how many perhaps went to other forms of nicotine; how many got off the nicotine and vaping and just dwindled away because of that; how many went happily on vaping, but got 'forum-tired' (or got chased away because of the changes to the boards)?



History: US wasn't the first country where e-cigs were marketed: outside of china itself, it all started on the mainland of europe, namely in the Benelux. And it was marketed as... smoking-cessation device. Which immediately got followed by outcries from those governments that the e-cig should be stopped cold right there, because marketing it as a cessation device was not allowed/possible without first doing slews of tests and undergoing strict regulations... Belgium banned it; Luxembourg did too I think; Netherlands banned any advertizing on them (as advertizing is forbidden for any medical device or drug there).

So Ruyan and others got a shock from those reactions, and learned from that; and switched to marketing them as tobacco-alternative in any further countries they entered. Because marketing them as cessation-devices would clearly lead nowhere...
We all know many have disappeared from these boards Bob; but do we really have any number on who of those went back to tobacco; how many perhaps went to other forms of nicotine; how many got off the nicotine and vaping and just dwindled away because of that; how many went happily on vaping, but got 'forum-tired' (or got chased away because of the changes to the boards)?


Very Good Point Katink!!!
 

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True e-cigs aren't for everyone at this point in time, I too have been unable to convert most of my friends, although I have seen younger people are much more opposed to the transition than people over 30.

However, I strongly feel that once e-cigs become a household name and accepted by the public that anyone who does not switch will be looked at like they are crazy, when such a similar, acceptalbe alternative is right there and easily accesible.

Just my lowly opinion though.
 

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Same thing here. I did get my boss to order one, and one other co-worker who is still debating. Most hear the startup costs and say "forget it". I just tell them that no longer having a morning hack, and all the brown crap that comes up with it is worth every penny. Only one month, and I definitely feel the benefits.

Most people are afraid of change, and what they do not understand. I for one, would never have even given the e-cig a thought, if it weren't for my Mom & Dad. They happened to see a fellow puffing on his e-cig at a restaurant. He let them try his, and my Dad, a smoker of 40 years said it was pretty close to smoking. Once I heard this, I had to try it. I had tried vaping some other stuff (no other comments necessary) a while back, so I already knew what it was about.

Best thing I have done in a long time (the e-cig, that is).
 
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