Future plans for 26650?
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I asked Imeo that in his interview on VTTV and he said he has no plans. He is working with some companys to make high capacity batterys and feels that there will be no need for a 26650 mod.
Things are not going well with those batteries fright. The amount of money they desided to ask for them is so big that it made me laugh. None will give 65 euros for a battery. Never mind, I am trying to see what else I can do about the power issue. A 26650 mod is too thick and I also dont see a reason to make a GG like this just to earn 25% more power papa. We have to think of something else, even if I think that 18650 batteries are more than enough for our purposes for now. I was just hoping to double the capacity in a reasonable price but I was fooled.
That is fine I have really high hopes for the VV combo with 18650 bat. Although most anything longer then 3 hours would make me happy lol.
To bad I really think the a SS GGTSG (Stainless Steel Golden Greek Telescopic Storm Grand) would be a kick ... device.
4000 mAh and a fine conversation piece.
Maybe a small run of them? if we can get 50-75 prepaid buyers?
I would need to wait until later in the year after I return to work but I know I would be interested.
4000 mAh and a fine conversation piece.
Maybe a small run of them? if we can get 50-75 prepaid buyers?
I would need to wait until later in the year after I return to work but I know I would be interested.
Probaly not that simple, and I imagine Imeo can explain better than I.
In a manufacturing process, the first item you produce is the the most expensive one, as the all the costs of design, CNC programming, tooling, are expensive. If you only build that one, it's got got a huge cost on it. when you build the second one, the average cost of all that initial start costs starts to spread out making the individual resale costs less prohibitively expensive.
Pricing becomes in part a function of number of units sold.
A lot of 75 would be pretty limited run, and require a pretty hefty price to do so with any sort of profit.
-Z
Given the demand and lack of current product for 26650 mods I think you could probably do a much bigger run then 75 units or so and I admit I am one of the people that would gladly prepay for one. That being said I also think Imeo has his plate pretty full with the current demand for more GGTS, Stealth, Ody, the likely demand for the GG he has been thinking about making and the VV unit.
I do understand that initial setup cost and CNC work is expensive but the template is there. we know what sizes we need for the switch the atomizer cap hole all of that. And seeing it would only be for a 26650 battery this would eliminate the telescope portion. I am sure that setup costs would not be as high as initially spent on the setup and design of the current GGTS.
I am sure Imeo is super busy but he responds to our requests, what the customer wants. I am just curious if he has given it some thought.
Imeo,
you posted that there is only 25% more capacity but this capacity is raw, and has the ability to produce higher amperage draw.This equated in less Voltage drop while vaping and maintaining a more consistent vape with less battery drop off. It is not all about capacity. Of course I am sure you know this having worked with the Variable Voltage set up. More people are really looking for a more consistent vape without realizing it.
If I could hit my device all day long set at 4.0-4.2V and get that fresh 18650 vape all day long then that would be all I need. Whether that be from a regulated device to give the user that experience or a battery with massive power (not mAh) to carry the user through the day then at a more consistent vape. Then so be it.
A batteries power is not only rated by it mAh rating just like your description of watts through different size wire. So your initial thought of 25% more is surely lacking.
I would love someone that has a battery tester or oscilloscope to measure Voltage drop on and 26650 vs. a 18650 and see how much different it is. I would venture to guess that after cycling the battery on for 5 seconds every 2 minutes that the 26650 would be in much better shape than the 18650 after one hours time.
Just food for thought.
Maybe Imeo can just design an integrated GGTS backpack, (could be like a camel back) holding 1 Liter of juice, and triple odysseus atties, run simultaneously to a mouthpiece, powered by a 12 Volt Gel Cell battery, offered with the optional unicycle with regenerative braking 
You'd look like a one wheeled choo choo train
A man can dream can't he?
You'd look like a one wheeled choo choo train A man can dream can't he?
Papa, I dont disagree to what you said, but we can solve those issues with the VV module if you agree. And with GG VV we will solve other problems too. When I will be ready with it, I will show you what I mean
Oh I agree that Voltage regulation will be a great thing on the GGTS. I for one would be glad to see it come to life.
I am merely asserting my opinion that most people only look at mAh as the batteries power and performance but it is merely one component of the battery.
many more factors go into rating a battery other than mAh.
The 26650 is a BS battery anyways... 4000mAh my ...
The AW 26500 is only 2300mAh and will last just as long and out perform it.
The AW 26500 is only 2300mAh and will last just as long and out perform it.
Don't disagree here.
But, and maybe I'm in the minority here, I don't see the need, at least for my usage. A pair of 18350s does me just fine for several hours, and I've got the charging capacity to have spares. I rotate 3 pairs, soon to be 4, so longevity isn't really a problem.
What is a problem, again my usage, is I keep a ikenvape 4.5 in my UFS(s), and also like to drop to an ikenvape io6 at 3.5 (Highest they have), meaning two sets of rotating batteries and chargers. I would love to PIF all my 3.0/3.2v batteries and supplies and simply deal with 3.7, making VV more important to me.
Frankly, despite the build quality of the GG, I don't want that much claimed energy in my hand. The law of conservation of energy suggests if things go bad, they will go really bad.
-Z
I'm dying to get in on the GG line and VV would be an interesting add on to a beautiful mod.
According to my research the new KingKong 26650 is testing out better than the MNKE and that cell is no joke.
Those flashlight people are crazy about there batteries and I learn everything I can from those guys.
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