*GEM: A new RTA by MarkBugs

[Yozhik]

Folks, kindly avoid talking about clones in this thread. PLEASE.
And remember, they are not clones. They are COUNTERFEITS.

Have to disagree with your last sentence. Not all clones are counterfeits. Counterfeiting generally requires that a seller is misrepresenting the source of manufacture, such as copying brand markings. Regardless, whether clone or counterfeit, this ain't the thread to discuss them.

 

[HBcorpse]

Have to disagree with your last sentence. Not all clones are counterfeits. Counterfeiting generally requires that a seller is misrepresenting the source of manufacture, such as copying brand markings. Regardless, whether clone or counterfeit, this ain't the thread to discuss them.

+10 for redundancy

 

[Blizzzy]

I'm curious does the GEM draw specially better on a Wizard device. i.e. is it recommended to have a WAE to achieve optimum flavor/draw? Initially I was planning on a provari radius + upcoming new kayfun combination until I stumbled onto this thread. Still keen on the radius..

Lastly, if I use the standard kanthal build with japanese cotton as I currently do. Will I be missing any flavor orgasm?

 

[ricks]

Y

I'm curious does the GEM draw specially better on a Wizard device. i.e. is it recommended to have a WAE to achieve optimum flavor/draw? Initially I was planning on a provari radius + upcoming new kayfun combination until I stumbled onto this thread. Still keen on the radius..

Lastly, if I use the standard kanthal build with japanese cotton as I currently do. Will I be missing any flavor orgasm?

You can use any mod you want. I really don't think having the WAE will make the Gem work any better. It will look good tho.

 

[h00ligan]

I'm curious does the GEM draw specially better on a Wizard device. i.e. is it recommended to have a WAE to achieve optimum flavor/draw? Initially I was planning on a provari radius + upcoming new kayfun combination until I stumbled onto this thread. Still keen on the radius..

Lastly, if I use the standard kanthal build with japanese cotton as I currently do. Will I be missing any flavor orgasm?

No in fact I'd say the provari may draw better than the wae. Especially due to the boost setting imo.
I'm a big fan of the p3 boost setting. I find with kanthal builds it give me the extra little oomph to prevent me having to prime and such but given the gem only takes 28 gauge. Maybe 26 but not well it's not a big deal Either way because that gauge heats fast enough.

I do have both and id rather have the gem on the wae for aesthetics and size / weight but steictly speaking it's probably a hair better on the p3

But the p3 in 18350 mod is almost the same length as the wae in 18650 mode and weighs more. And is thicker. I'd also say the p3 eats batteries faster than the DNA 30 wae due to the boost and probably other stuff they do.

The ay it vapes would be the last reason to decide one way or another as its 5% in either direction. Imo

You've made me curious to second guess it. I'm
Going to try on both as I have a very high resistance build for me right now running only ten watts. I usually run 15-20. I'm going to compare the two devices and I'll post back if I notice anything significant. I don't expect to. Like j said the boost setting p3 has is the biggest difference. From there it's all weight size looks.

Here's a huge size difference. Here's the p3 in 18350 compared to 18650 wae ii. This has 1/4-1/5 the battery life of the wae in this mode.

If you wanted similar battery life. Both in 18650 mode

Realistically I wouldn't take the p3 out of the house in bigger than 18500 mode. Here's 18500 compared to wae ii. The provari has 1/3 the battery life of the wae ii when in this mode roughly.

You know
I've been looking for a mod that matches the ti gem well. I hadn't mounted it on the p3 before. It matches pretty well! Can't believe I hadn't realized that and put it on there.

For me the p3 in 18499/500 mode with a good battery you're getting half the battery life of the wae. But it's more than enough to get through a work shift with t. So does it really matter most times? Probably not. 18350
Mode doesn't give enough battery life for me personally and I don't like rising extra batteries. Defeats the point of s smaller mod

As expected the p3 vapes better than the wae. Probably due to be boost setting. That's at like for like settings. Wae can be adjusted up a couple watts and it's pretty even- with longer battery life. the new DNA 40 wae obviously has he benefit of temp Control too. If I was buying for the gem specifically is get the wae but overall the p3!is a better buy as not much fits on a 21mm mod aside form the gem

Hope that all makes sense and helps. Sorry for the length of the post everyone.

 

[h00ligan]

By the way 430 stainless works great in the gem in VV/VW. My build is registering at .75 on that microcoil build

 

[ricks]

By the way 430 stainless works great in the gem in VV/VW. My build is registering at .75 on that microcoil build

Where's can we get some of this wire? I'd like to try it.

 

[Blizzzy]

Thanks h00ligan for the extremely in depth explanation. Of course it helped! Although the shop is closed today, I had cold feet when one of the owners of the shop I frequent to (they do carry SS GEMs) mentioned that he tried GEM but his Kayfun v4 is easier to build and vapes better. A customer from that shop said the same. However,
I spent the whole sunday reading through the whole 158 pages of this thread and am completely sold. I'm running to the shop 11am sharp tomorrow to snag the last 2 GEM TI probably in my country.

Did anyone manage to test on Kanthal and Japanese Organic cotton? If I'm getting the Provari Radius I wouldn't have temp control.

 

[h00ligan]

Thanks h00ligan for the extremely in depth explanation. Although the shop is closed today, I had cold feet when one of the owners of the shop I frequent to (they do carry SS GEMs) mentioned that he tried GEM but his Kayfun v4 is easier to build and vapes better. A customer from that shop said the same. However,
I spent the whole sunday reading through the whole 158 pages of this thread and am completely sold. I'm running to the shop 11am sharp tomorrow to snag the last 2 GEM TI probably in my country.

Did anyone manage to test on Kanthal and Japanese Organic cotton? If I'm getting the Provari Radius I wouldn't have temp control.

I used to run organic cotton but specifically for the gem cotton bacon works way better imo. I is rested they're rebranding something (I don't k is what that something is) but whatever the material is, dental cotton, industrial cotton, whatever - it is more absorbent and faster to wick than Koh Gen Doh which to me wicks way better than muji

In a kayfun 4 / taifun gt2 I'll still use KGD because the cut strips are super easy to repeat consistently and position. But in the gem where we are dealing with small coils k find cotton bacon to be worth the purchase. Besides a bag of cotton bacon would wick the gem for a year. Can't complain about $5 a year.

On the discussion the kayfun v4 is easier to build - that's maybe true if only because wicking is easier.

As to whether it cakes better. Well I feel the taifun gt2 tapes better and is just as easy to build as the kayfun v4 with less moving parts and more consistent temp control. All the way around I feel the gt2 is a better atomizer than the kf4 with the exception of top fill. So I have s taifun gt2 on a boxer that is my big setup and it's really good.

I bought a gem after the taifun gt2. I bought the ti gem after that. I don't agree the kayfun or taifun gt2 are a better vape than the gem. Providing you're sticking to simple coils builds. If I start humdinger infinity coils in the kayfun or taifun they get closer to the flavor of the gem but the gem is still better.

The only atomizer imo that gives the gem anti for its money fortune types of juices I vape (sweet dessert) is the spheroid v4 / piccoloid v2 setup. I haven't had another atomizer that's better. Which is why I have two gems.

The heron may be close but isn't there and the heron is a better vape than the kayfun v4 also imo.

So as far as I'm concerned the gem is the top of the pile. Every time I think I found something else better for flavor it's not.

All that said the gem has a very limited build deck and isn't a good choice for crazy coilers. If you want very simple easy fast builds with the top notch flavor the titanium gem is the tops. Followed by the stain less gem which for me is a little finicky with wicking if you're over 80% vg. Then the heron and gt2 are the next in the list. The kayfun v4 would struggle to make my top ten atomizers.

If you vape 25/75 to 50/50 the stainless shouldn't give you issues. If you vape 24/76 to 5/95 it will take a short while to Learn to wick it properly

One thing remains constant. The gem brings out subtleties in the juices I vape which are unequalled by any other. Even with the wicking troubles k bought a second stainless only sold one of them because the titanium came out. I wouldn't have more than one if there was anything else as good.

Maybe you can find s used gem. I know a member just sold a wae ii and a stainless gem in 7/10 condition for $225. Why kit try and get a used one and save some money for a mod too?

 

[Blizzzy]

awesome!! sold!! I hope to post my first pics tomorrow! Thank you Thank you Thank you for clearing all my doubts!

 

[h00ligan]

awesome!! sold!! I hope to post my first pics tomorrow! Thank you Thank you Thank you for clearing all my doubts!

You're welcome!

As with any atomizer don't expect the first build to be exactly perfect. But it's hardly rocket surgery. I'm sure you'll love it

Oh and by the way. Through my surgeries and injuries it's been difficult to coil. Because of the simplistic build deck the gem is one of the fastest and easiest to coil. It's hair the wicking that needs to be dialed in The cooking portion is probably the fastest going aside form the tilemahos with springomizer. And even then the tilemahos takes a lot more effort to reach the build deck.

 

[Kruzer00]

I think I first posted about 130 pages ago ..... and now I can proudly say I finally gave in. Who knows if I will ever get it set up properly but at least I can play matchy matchy with my WAE and a grey colored L frame. Will post proper pics with the GEM when I get it.

 

[h00ligan]

I think I first posted about 130 pages ago ..... and now I can proudly say I finally gave in. Who knows if I will ever get it set up properly but at least I can play matchy matchy with my WAE and a grey colored L frame. Will post proper pics with the GEM when I get it. [emoji2]. View attachment 522951

In unfamiliar with the L frame but it seems
To fit the wae well.

I struggle to find anything else that works with it - which is why I passed the second one on and haven't bought the dna40 wae yet

 

[ricks]

I find that the Gem is easier to build than the KF4. Just still playing with all ways to coil and wick them to get the best flavor.

What is everyone here using???

 

[h00ligan]

I find that the Gem is easier to build than the KF4. Just still playing with all ways to coil and wick them to get the best flavor.

What is everyone here using???

Stainless steel and cotton bacon for me gives the most pure flavor. Or stainless and mesh. That said mesh is a bit of a pain and cotton bacon allows mento crank the power up for their times I want MOAR VAPE


I use 304/316/317/430. 43p is the best so far for non temp mods. It does a little better evenly hearing and doesn't freak out when things are a little off. If you use 316 and try to make a contact coil it can be difficult. 430 doesn't have that issue. Contact coils work great in VW/VV and tc which is nice given such a small build deck

+430 is 200 feet for around $10

 

[hippieben]

Hey guys I just decided to try something with the gem and it turned out fantastic.

SS 430 in a proper microcoil. Remember microcoil is a subset of coil. They're not the same thing. Not every coil is a microcoil but every microcoil is s coil.

Microcoil is defined as

1.5mm inner diameter or less.
Around ten wraps or more
Typically 28 gauge or smaller (30,32,etc)
The major benefit is even smooth heating that occurs quickly. Much more sim than a standard coil larger than 1.5mm.

Ten wraps here fits perfectly. Contact coil works great so long as you elevate the coil to the height of the legs. If you have hot legs move it up

Wick as thick as possible (barely makes it through)and cut just inside the channels.

Coil is .67

Tcr for 430 SS is .00138 it's $10 for 200 ft of 28 gauge from unkamen and it's great wire.

28 gauge Stainless Steel Wire - 430 Grade Nickel Free - 200 feet - 100% Guarantee - Unkamen Supplies

This is amazing flavor even for the gem it's another notch up and temp control is working perfectly on the Yihi l. This wicks consistently - and feeds to the point you could hold the button and vape for five mins and it would just keep cycling (assuming your mod would let you. I'm illustrating a point!) vapor density is a bit lower but production is good. Conserves juice comparatively.

You get the idea. I only have two hands here.

Give it a shot. Flavor vs vapor production is just under twice as much. Meaning I'm getting almost twice the flavor intensity at similar vapor production levels.

I hope someone gives this a .... and enjoys it! As for the stainless the tcr and this wire are spot on. It's the smoothest and most accurate stainless steel tc build I've had. Id say that's due to the grade of stainless and the quality of the supplied wire

It's odd that you get 7x as much for $4 less than 317L when it seems to vape so much better than 317L. Which I also ordered from unkamen

You can also then switch mods to a non temp mod and it works fine there too. Bear in mind you can do this build with kanthal. To test out if you like the less dense vape which packs more
Flavor per volume

What kind of wattage are you pumping through that coil? Can I also trouble you for a glow shot? Is the resistance stable with the microcoil? I've always been a huge fan of micro coils, but haven't had much luck with Ti or Ni with them an TC. I have some samples of 317L but haven't tried it. I've got such a perfect build in my gem right now that I kind of don't want to pull it out, but I want to give the SS a go :\

 

[ricks]

Stainless steel and cotton bacon for me gives the most pure flavor. Or stainless and mesh. That said mesh is a bit of a pain and cotton bacon allows mento crank the power up for their times I want MOAR VAPE


I use 304/316/317/430. 43p is the best so far for non temp mods. It does a little better evenly hearing and doesn't freak out when things are a little off. If you use 316 and try to make a contact coil it can be difficult. 430 doesn't have that issue. Contact coils work great in VW/VV and tc which is nice given such a small build deck

+430 is 200 feet for around $10

Got any pics of your Mesh build? I'd like to try mesh someday on the Gems.

 

[Cloudrider]

The original WAE were designated (L) 18650 and (M) 18500
Here a pic of a (M) designation:

 

[hippieben]

Got any pics of your Mesh build? I'd like to try mesh someday on the Gems.

don't do it man, save yourself the aggravation. Tastes great until you get a hot spot, then it's a pain to get rid of it due to the deck design.

 

[ricks]

don't do it man, save yourself the aggravation. Tastes great until you get a hot spot, then it's a pain to get rid of it due to the deck design.

Thanks for you advice and you might be right. But I've used mesh in other atties before and never had a problem with hot spots. You just have to prep the mesh properly. It will be different in these Gems so I might have issues but I still want to try it. When and if try it I'll let you know.