General Cartomizer Questions | First Post !!!

[caspur]

Hello everyone. This is my first post, and I've heard AMAZING things about this forum. I've been using eCigs for about 6 weeks, and have already gone through 2 different brands/models.

I am currently using the Joye 510-t, using Boge Soft-Cap 510 LR Cartomizers, and a DeLicious variety of Mister-e-liquid juices.

So, the reason I am posting here today, is that I have found that the sheer amount of information on e cigarettes, terminology, and actual devices is overwhelming. I've been able to gather a lot of information, but there are still a couple questions that I have unanswered.

The questions I have today are regarding these Boge 510-LR 1ml Cartomizers. I know how to fill them / refill them, but there are certain things that I am doing, that I have no idea if they are correct or not.

When I first bought my Joye 510-t, I started off using the default LR-Atomizers / cartridges. I ended up dry burning my atomizers to a crisp, despite my attempts to keep the wick wet at all times.

So, as you can image, when I found out that I am able to use my custom e-juice with these 510-Boge cartomizers I was ecstatic! However, I am still not sure of the real purpose of these things are. I am now constantly paranoid of not keeping the absorbant material within the cartomizer wet enough, and therefore I refill it a lot.

But aren't these cartomizers meant to be filled once, and than your able to use them for a day or two ? (or however long). This is whats REALLY confusing me. I just don't get it. When you initially fill an empty cartomizer, the material inside is (of course) going to be wet and moist and dELICIOUS. However, let's say I fill my cartomizer the night before for work the next day. During the 8 hours of sleep, isn't the material inside going to dry out, and therefore dry-burn, thus causing that AWFUL taste I despise?

I thought that these cartomizers were meant to be filled once, and than used for a day or two WITHOUT constant "topping-off" and rewetting. It's just annoying to be out on the town, and feel like "oh my god, I haven't refilled my cartomizer in the last hour, it's totally gonna dry burn".

If someone could please take some time, who actually understands this stuff (unlike me), and explain if I'm correct or not in thinking this? Is it really necesarry to continually wetting it? Or once you fill it initially, is that material still "wet" enough the next day to vape without consequence of dry burning..

I understand that these cartomizers are disposable and NOT supposed to refill more than 2-3 times, but I just don't understand the point if you have to constantly re-wet it.


SORRY for the LONG first post. I just wanted to get this off my chest, since its the ONLY thing that is keeping me from quitting analogs completely. I am so grateful to have a resource like this. Looking forward to someone enlightening me. Thanks!

Caspur

 

[Bawn]

the lr boge cartos only hold a ml of juice. wont last all day. you will have to top off every hr or so. using a small pv like the 510 on a lr cartos is going to drain your batteries pretty quick. you refill the cartos until they die. if you let carto go dry it decreases its life span so try to top off when you taste the flavor starting to diminish. enjoy! if u fill at night it stays wet no worries. if you want add a few drops in the morning but if you filled it the night before it will be fine. the juice doesnt evaporate or anything unless your using it

 

[madjack]

the Boges can go a couple of hours of continuous vaping before dry burning...when I use them, about every hour of continuous use(almost chain vaping) I top them up with 10-15 drops...I also use the 1.7ohm XL cartos, these hold twice as much juice and corresponding top up times...a very damp carto just tastes better and lives longer...if you want something to fill and vape for the day, check out carto-tanks Carto Tank Mods ...you should absolutely not use low resistance(below 2.5ohms) cartos with your batts...use cartos in the 2.5-3ohm rating............
madjack

 

[caspur]

Thanks for the quick reply. I get what your saying, but it seemed that when I first used the cartridges with my 510-t atomizers, they would only hold 3-4 DROPS of e liquid at one time. However, it seemed I was able to make this last a day or two each time.

Now, with the boge cartomizers being able to hold 15-20 drops depending on the juice, I figured I'd be good vaping one cartomizer for a 3 days or so.

Is there a reason that's not the case?

For example,

my first ecig was the BLU (first, and QUICKLY returned). It came with prefilled cartomizers, (looked like the same size), which I was able to vape for a week almost for one cartomizer. The flavor never diminished and I never encountered a odd taste. However, I found the restriction of hardware, and non-variety of juices to be awful, and therefore returned it.

I'm wondering what was different about those cartomizers, and if I could potentially do the same thing with these boges without burning that mesh material into my lungs.

I would be PERFECTLY fine vaping one cartomizer every 2 to 3 days, and than tossing it... but the constant refilling has got me going NUTs, and not possible with my daily routine.

On a side note... is there some system out there, or alternative to cartomizers that are designed for this type of usage (fill once, stay moist and wet for a day or two)?

EDIT:

MadJACK:

Are you saying that the LR cartomizers are not suitable for the 510-t????

I thought for sure that they would be, since the atomizers that came with the Joye 510-t starter kit were LR-atomizers, and the BOGE 510 lr atomizers are being sold as "Cartomizers for the Joye 510 series).

I don't really get the voltage thing, but would it be better to use cartomizers in that range rather than 2.0 below

 

[cyberwolf]

How long a cartomizer lasts depends on how much you vape. If you get a day out of two or three drops on an atomizer and a week out of a Blu carto, then you must not be vaping very much at all. Two or three drops lasts me about one vape break, whether in an atty or a carto. Like others have said, adding 10 drops or so when you start to notice the flavor dropping off is a good rule of thumb.

The main advantage to cartomizers is that they provide nice consistent flavor for a long time. Cartridges generally are a little finnicky and sometimes give a good vape, sometimes not. So people end up "dripping" directly on the atomizer, which is somewhat of a nuisance. Even though you still have to add liquid to cartomizers as the day goes by, it's not nearly as often as dripping.

I would recommend not using anything lower than 2.0ohm on a standard 510 battery. LR can mean anything from 1.5 to 2.5, so you need to check that out when buying.

 

[madjack]

...first, it all depends on how much you vape...I vape 5+-ml/day...and since, I don't like to vape a carto below 50%, I would need to top up a Boge(which holds 1ml) 10 time a day...if I was dealing with a work situation, I know I can get around 2hours out of one(continuous vaping) and would plan accordingly...on the resistance deal...if you have a slimline, ciggy sized unit, you should stick with attys/cartos in the 2.5ohm and up range...lower than that can have a detrimental effect on slimline units...they just don't have the power to drive them for long...also, LR gear will use up juice faster...........
madjack

p.s. there is a convenience curve to using these things and there is no way around it...........mj

 

[Santaclaws]

...first, it all depends on how much you vape...I vape 5+-ml/day...and since, I don't like to vape a carto below 50%, I would need to top up a Boge(which holds 1ml) 10 time a day...if I was dealing with a work situation, I know I can get around 2hours out of one(continuous vaping) and would plan accordingly...on the resistance deal...if you have a slimline, ciggy sized unit, you should stick with attys/cartos in the 2.5ohm and up range...lower than that can have a detrimental effect on slimline units...they just don't have the power to drive them for long...also, LR gear will use up juice faster...........
madjack

p.s. there is a convenience curve to using these things and there is no way around it...........mj

Are cartos and a tank mod the most convenient way to go?

 

[Pioneersnt]

Are cartos and a tank mod the most convenient way to go?

Carto tank mods can hold 2 to 5 ml of juice or more depending on the particular mod. This greatly increases the time between refills.

ETA:They also reduce the chance of dry burning and increases the life of the carto. I vape 6-8ml per day and a 3ohm boge carto in an M1A1 buzz tank on my provari will last about a week.

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[madjack]

Are cartos and a tank mod the most convenient way to go?

...pretty close IMO...I actually use the Resurrectors and find them pretty fiddle free...I have some supplies on order to build some tanks and find out for sure...I gottan E-Power so I wouldn't havvta change batts but once a day, so filling a tank once a day would be a plus as well........
madjack

 

[dormouse]

LR cartomizers are not meant to be used on slim batteries and can damage slim batteries. Slim batteries should only be using standard resistance cartomizers which are around 2.5 to 3 ohms. LR cartos are meant for batteries 450mah+ like Ego, Riva 510, Kgo etc and mods.

I use Boge 3 ohm cartos on slim 510. They aren't as warm but that's what safe to use on slim batteries. I wish Boge 2.5 ohm were more available but they are hard to find. I can get 10 days use out of a Boge with thin clear juices and keeping the carto damp so it doesn't singe. For me that's about 20ml of juice run through the carto. I use PG w/ 20% or less VG and I avoid dark/cloudy/opaque juices that drop flavoring sediment in the carto because sediment will really cut short the life of a carto, ruining the drag and wicking.

And note - if you have an automatic 510-T, never ever use its charging cable for any batteries other than 510-T auto batteries. the 510-T auto charging cable is different and can damage (as in melt) normal 510 batteries. But they can be charged with normal 510 charging cables.

 

[VaperEd]

Welcome Caspur
I started out with atty's and cartridges on my Mega Ego and thought they were great. Then I found DCC tanks. Alright, I could vape almost a whole day on these without refilling but I noticed a definite flavor reduction. I purchased a Lavatube and had the same problem with the tanks. I am using 2.5 ohm dual coil and 3.0 ohm single coil cartomizers (definitely better flavor) on the Lava tube now and it seems the 3.0 are working out the best for me. The 2.0 and 2.5 DC work good on my mega ego. These are larger batteries than you have and are not LR carto's. I fill them with a few drops rolling the carto in my fingers alternating sides as I drip and slowly let it soak up the juice and repeat until the top of the carto is wet. From what you have said I would think the tanks would be a good compromise for you. Happy Vaping.

 

[caspur]

Guys, I can not express how grateful I am for all the responses. I honestly knew nothing about the whole voltage / ohms thing with my Joye 510-t "slim" manual batt.

Something I'm still not clear on is the whole "tank" word being thrown around. I thought that the 510-t was a "tank" ecig, but are there cartomizers that are also built for "Tanks"?

Could someone recommend / link to a good / BIG tank cartomizer that would work with a Joye 510-t manual battery??

I know people were throwing some names around in this thread, but I don't want to purchase the wrong thing...and end up screwing my battery.

I feel a lot better knowing that there are a lot more options regarding cartomizers, and am looking forward to trying them.

So in summary, if someone could take some time and list / link to a couple of good TANK cartomizers that work with my slim 510-t battery I would be eternally grateful.

Again, thanks for everything. This forum is truly amazing.

EDIT:

So from what I've seen. A Tank Mod is basically something that you can place cartomizers (any type??) inside. The difference is they have a little "pin" hole on the top, where you can fill easily?? I'm sorry guys, this is all so confusing though.

I thought, when purchasing the Joye 510-t, that the "T" at the end stood for TANK system... which I figured was just a fancy sales term.

 

[TomCatt]

Mad Vapes (madvapes.com) has an inexpensive carto tank, which does the same as the more expensive ones. Also it's nice to not break the bank on something new .

The cartos for the carto tanks have a pinhole on the side. This allows juice from the tank to enter the carto as the juice in the carto is consumed. You fill the tank and then fill the carto as you normally would, from the top.

The main two things to look for to know when whatever you are using needs refilling is 1) reduction in the amount of vapor being produced; 2) reduction in vapor flavor. Do not continue vaping past these signs and your atty/carto should be fine.

 

[caspur]

Okay, so basically a "Tank Mod" is theoretically like an extension to a cartomizer. It allows a easier / extended filling process, and a larger amount of juice.

Are the tank mods simply a piece of plastic / hardware, or do they also have some type of electrical function as well..

The reason I ask is -- will I have to replace the tank I purchase after prolonged use as well??

Or will it be beneficial to purchase a tank for "each" of the juices I like. (therefore there is no mixture of the liquids).

I'll look into the website you showed me.

One last question -

If I purchased a 3.0 ohm tank mod, would I have to also purchase a 3.0 ohm cartomizer as well?? Is it easy to take the cartomizer out of the tank... are there certain tank mods created specifically for a 510-t slim battery??

 

[dormouse]

Most carto tanks need you to separately buy the pre-punched or pre-slotted cartos which have 1 or 2 holes in their sidewall to let the juice in. I am pretty sure electronicstix sells pre-slotted Boge 3 ohm and a 3ml tank for Boges. Since Madvapes sells a tank they may also sell single coil 3 ohm pre-punched cartos for it. But some tanks (mostly larger ones) are designed for the dual coil xl cartos and you cannot run them on a slim battery.

Or you could get any carto tank designed for Boge cartos and get the steel 3 ohm Boges and punch them yourself - not sure what method people use to punch them.


And note - the tank is going to be wider than your battery, probably 2-3x times as wide. And I would not use a carto tank on an automatic battery. And remember - if you have auto 510-T never use its charger on other 510 batteries unless your vendor specifically stated they were supplying a normal 510 charging cable (because the real auto 510-T charging cable damages as in melts normal 510 batteries for some reason - I think it never stops charging them and must communicate differently with the 510-T autos).

 

[TomCatt]

The tanks are just that, juice reservoirs. No electricity involved. Tanks come in different sizes and lengths, just like cartos. Some are for regular sized cartos (1 mL sized cartos) others are for the longer XL cartos (typically sold as 1.8 mL cartos). The volume a tank will hold depends on it's length and diameter. Like Dormouse said, all tanks will have a bigger diameter than your ecig.
Most, if not all, tanks will fit the 'normal' cartos, meaning the 'regular' and 'XL' 510 cartos will have the same diameter and fit in most tanks. There are "XXL" cartos out (2.5 or 3.5mL) that won't fit in the common tanks due to a bigger diameter.

 

[caspur]

Okay Guys, well I suppose I will look into purchasing one of the smallest tanks on the market, specifically designed for Boge 3.0 OHM (pre-punched) cartomizers.

Hopefully this will extend the juice / refill process, even though I am not very ecstatic about how "big and clunky" the tanks make ecigs look.

Still, when looking for a tank, there are SO MANY different types, with SINGLE coils and DUAL coils, it's impossible to decide. Will someone post a direct-link to a tank for a Joye 510-t Manual Battery built to use with Boge 3.0 ohm cartomizers?

Also, a link to Boge 3.0 ohm cartomizers for a 510-t ???

sorry, but I literally can NOT find them.

 

[The Yeti]

Here you go:

BDV Lil' Mama 3ml Delrin Cap Tank Kit - $21.99 : Big Daddy Vapor

Vape-O-Matic Liquinator 3mL

This one is much cheaper, but is made for Dual Coil and XL cartos (longer than the standard ones you're using):
Dual Coil 510 Tank Cartomizer

I'm sure there are a lot more, check these sub-forums:
Atomizer, Cartomizer and Tank Discussion
Tank Reviews

 

[Pete54]

I feel for you buddy, I really do. You're just getting started on a long journey. You will get lots of good and bad advice and you'll end up buying lots of junk before you finally reach a point that makes you happy. I. like most vets around here, have tried just about everything on the market. I usually don't get involved in giving my two cents but for some reason your plight caught my eye. Here are my thoughts .... take them for what they're worth.
Instead of buying 15 mods over the next year, invest in a top of the line mod. You can't go wrong with a Provari. Variable voltage, battery lasts most of the day, built like a tank, great warranty and customer service. It's not cheap but it will get any job done! There is an inexpensive Chinese made knock-off out there called the Lava Tube which does essentially the same thing. If moneys tight, go with it. If you can afford it, buy the Provari.
The most important part of your vaping set up is delivering the juice to the coil. Again, I'm going to try to save you the aggravation of all the garbage out there and suggest you step right up to Carto Tanks. There are many different cartomizers out there and everyone will tell you that what they use is the best. I use only Boge LR 2.0Ω or SR 3.0Ω carto's. On a variable voltage device it really doesn't matter which one you use. You'll need something to make small holes in the cartos with (why pay someone else to make the holes which is what you'd be doing buying pre-punched cartos). Not only are you paying a dollar more for each carto but usually the holes are punched poorly and in the wrong place!! By far the best device out there to punch carto's is this. COV Carto Punch Once again, it's not cheap but it will last for years and makes perfect holes in the perfect spot! (Depending on which tank you buy, the holes should be just above the top of the bottom cap of the tank). Some of the best tanks I've used are the Depth Charge from Vapor-Age Depth Charge, the Cartomator from NHaler VPX Cartomator Cartomizer Stainless Steel Tanks and the Lava Tank which is nearly impossible to get.
So to sum it all up, buy a decent mod, buy a decent cartomizer and buy a decent tank. While I'm thinking about it, someone mentioned the carto tanks at Madvapes. They are a piece of junk! The tubing is very thin and the punched cartos that come with it have tiny microscopic holes that don't work! Buy quality! You only have to do it once!
Now, let the flaming begin!

Edit: the BDV Lil' Mama Tanks are very good as well and are a bit less money!

 

[caspur]

I really can't thank everyone enough for all of their advice, especially Pete54.

I feel like that right now, only in the first 6 weeks I've bought so many different things and it seems like its MORE expensive than analogs... but I know that when I get the PERFECT setup it'll all be worth it. I can't wait for that day.

The mods, tanks, and carts you've recommended truly look magnificent, but expensive. But, I've saved up a good amount of money, and if that is the types you use daily, than I will go ahead and try them all.

Really hope this solves my issues, and can't thank everyone enough for the amount of responses and replies less than 24 hours after posting.

I truly love this forum after one day.

Thanks,

Caspur