Genesis advice plz plz plz

[spookyluke]

I've never had a Genesis. Thinking I need to try one.
Can't drip and drive !?!

I'm usually dripping. Have tried clearos cartos have a russian91 v1
Diver v1 and a assortment of drippers. Not been as happy with any tank systems compared to dripping.

But I've never tried a Genesis. I like a very adjustable air flow. More often a open draw but also option of single or dual. Want to be able to put it in my pocket and not worry about leaking.

Where should I start looking?
Any suggestions or advice will be greatly appreciated

 

[TheOnyxEgg]

I've been using a Pyrex RSST from smok for the last month or two and am very happy with it. It seems to be a good, inexpensive (~$35) way to try out a genesis style atomizer. It has an insulated wick hole which makes setting up a new coil/wick a bit easier.

The airflow isn't adjustable (without a drill) but it ships with a pretty small hole and is easy to drill out if you want a more open draw. I ended up at 1/16".

Doesn't allow for dual wicks very easily (though I've seen some use the fill hole as another wick hole when using cotton), however a duel parallel coil (or whatever they're called) isn't that hard to setup on this.

If you really want dual coil and adjustable airflow you could try the Kraken as well, have heard good things about it but haven't used it personally. Seems like it would be a bit harder to set up though.

As far as leaking, I haven't really run in to any issues with the RSST. That being said it mostly stays upright in a pocket of my messenger bag. I could see it leaking if you left it laying on it's side for long periods of time. Some people seem to be able to do this without leaks though, it all depends on your setup.

I'd highly encourage you to try using a mesh wick, as I think that that is when gennies truly shine.

 

[wonner]

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Any suggestions or advice will be greatly appreciated

My honest advice is to stay away from them unless you have tried one and like it.

IMNO, they are fiddly to build and get to wick well, they don't produce near as good of vapor or flavor as other devices, and having to tilt and rotate the device to a specific spot is damn inconvenient.

Sure, some people swear by them, but make sure you know what you are getting into,

 

[TheOnyxEgg]

stay away from them unless you have tried one and like it.

How will you know if you like it if you don't try it?

YMMV but I was able to get a wick and coil up and working in the first afternoon I had the RSST. Yes, there is a bit of fiddling to get rid of hot spots/legs but I really didn't find it too bad. You can find at least as many posts of people having wicking issues with Kayfun style tanks as you can people having issues with gennies. (Though that could be due to popularity as well)

The flavor from the RSST w/ mesh is as good as the flavor I've gotten trying friends Kayfun style tanks, and the vapor volume is a lot higher. Of course this is due to setup and a number of factors, but I think many people would agree that a properly set up gennie provides flavor and vapor on par if not better than many other RTAs.

I don't end up tilting any more than about 45 degrees which is the natural angle I vape at anyway regardless of atomizer. You will need to make sure that at least a portion of the wick is submerged (since the wick is only on one side of the tank) when you vape which could be a downside but doesn't bother me all that much.

One other great benefit to using a genesis with mesh is that once you have it setup to your liking the same wick and coil can last for months. I've gone through 200+ ml on the same wick and coil with just an occasional dry burn and the thing was still going strong. Haven't had a setup NEED to be replaced yet, as I inevitably want to tinker and try a different setup before the wick/coil HAS to be replaced.

I'd say give it a try on a cheaper model (like the AGAs or the RSST) and see if you like it. If you don't, I'm sure someone would be willing to pick it up off you in the classifieds.

 

[Lessifer]

Want to be able to put it in my pocket and not worry about leaking.

Then don't get a genesis. It's an open hole wicking system, it leaks if it's not upright. There are some where you can close off the air holes so there's a good chance it won't leak, but you'll have a pool of liquid on your deck. There's a reason people moved on from these.

Don't get me wrong, they're a great vape IF you get it set up right, but they have their issues.

If you really want one, I think the Kraken fits what you want.

 

[spookyluke]

I don't plan on putting it in my pocket upside down. hehe. I was thinking the Kraken ticked all the boxes. I'm pretty use to pools of liquid on the deck thanks to using dripping exclusively for the last 6 months. One drip too much and its coming out the air holes and running over my mod and my hands.

Anyone know what other Genesis are in the same league as the Kraken?
Looking for some options to investigate.

 

[Lessifer]

Are you planning to use ss mesh wicks, silica or cotton?

 

[wonner]

How will you know if you like it if you don't try it?..

Of course you have to try it, but you don't have to buy one to try it, or you can buy it with a return privelage.

 

[AzPlumber]

The RSST is the easiest genesis for a beginner to set up and it also comes in a dual coil model. When setup properly a Genesis doesn't leak. When setup properly you don't need to tilt a Genesis. When setup properly a Genesis has great flavor and vapor. I just don't understand the "too fiddly" complaints about Genesis, when setup properly a SS wick lasts much longer than most any other wick type.

 

[spookyluke]

I'm a very competent with my hands, just haven't built a Genesis coil yet.
Suggestions on the best Genesis attys to look at? Not interested in the easiest beginners genni

 

[nubcake]

The Rocket by RSM gives great flavour from the reduced chamber, easy enough to build, wicks great and is aesthetically pleasing. A new version Rocket R is coming out soon or out already. Slightly shorter and slightly smaller chamber. The older Rocket can be found easily enough on classies too.

 

[spookyluke]

Are you planning to use ss mesh wicks, silica or cotton?

Interested in trying mesh, wire rope and cotton, rayon.. I've got some ecowool?
I want to try it all. From trad Genesis to autodripper?

 

[WattWick]

I know I have been recommending the Kraken in quite a few posts. This isn't really because I think it's the definite best ever. It is because I think there is no best ever. There are good atties, bad atties and anything in between. The rest is all personal preference. Even what's good and bad design choices is, really.

That being said. The Kraken is one of those atties of the good kind. It has a chamber size somewhere in between the huge chambers of, say the Aga - and the newer, tiny chambers like the Sat 22. So it can serve as a good starting point for future reference. It has AFC so you can play around and find what draw you prefer. And, it's one of the better gennies to work on, IMHO. Not that I've tried them all. It's simply "gennie done right" and will give you a good impression of how good gennies can be.

While there may be a reason why some gave up on gennies, there is also a reason why so many stick to them - and new, "high end" gennies gets released quite steadily. In the spirit of wild generalization, I'll skip trying to explain any reasoning. That wouldn't be in spirit of this kind of debate.

May be a PITA to learn. Certainly was for me on my Aga. Some are lucky tho, and get it right almost right away. Thing is, it's so easy to get it aaalmost right. That's when you end up with a fiddly setup and the dreaded metallic undertones. If you have to do touch-ups between maintenances, it's simply not set up right... or you have other issues like the Aga rotating deck and center post.

 

[tmel]

I am very happy with the quality of my Richman Hybrid. Easy to build on, but I still haven't gotten it to work properly for me.

 

[drmarble]

I'm pleased with my Kraken. I have only wicked with cotton and rayon. I'll try SS mesh eventually. It's the only genny I've tried and I like it. I'm not sure it is very pocket friendly, though. The top/cover on my clone is fairly loose. Mine also leaks if I leave it on its side.
Still, easier than dripping and driving. You could always get a bottom feeder.