Not to mention, Xanax is not a healthy thing to use. Quite the contrary if someone needs it regularly. I only used it to curb a panic attack. Not daily. There are people who couldn't do that either.
Giving up on e-cigarette
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It's all related. There are, indeed, medical reasons why something more the nicotine may be needed. Snus and other forms of smokeless tobacco contains them. Your premise that there's no reason to need this is false.
That was never my premise. I hate those things, my beef is with big tobacco usurping the vaping community.
You just stated a few posts ago that no vaper would need anything else. I was arguing otherwise.
I beg to differ.
I see a lot of people here who seem to get angry or upset at anyone who hints at the possibility that e-cigs might not be safe. Of course, they often times try to defend themselves by saying something like, "Of course it MIGHT not be...." or "nothing is 100% safe", or "At least it is safer than cigarettes! No tar!"
Just seeing everyone jump on this guy is kind of icky. He wasn't offensive. He didn't insult or attack anyone. He made a thread basically saying , "Look guys, I wasn't a smoker...and e-cigs aren't working out for me. I have some health concerns, and therefore won't be vaping anymore..."
Seems fine to me.
Seeing people tell him to go buy cigarettes , to me isn't funny. It is like basically telling him to go die, in a subtle way. He wasn't a smoker.....I could see if he came on here and started saying "I have concerns about e-cigs....I don't think they are safe. I'm going to switch back to cigarettes" then I could see people giving him a hard time. For what he posted though? Sorry.....I think everyone is being over-zealous.
Personally I Vape NET's and WTA e juice at 18-24 mg. I also use snus. My lung doc says do what ever it takes to keep from smoking.
I also believe your comments about CASAA are uncalled for.
One of the moderators needs to put a stop to this type of discussion ASAP.
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I also believe your comments about CASAA are uncalled for.
One of the moderators needs to put a stop to this type of discussion ASAP.
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The great thing about e-cigarettes is that it offers a lot of choices and options. Many people use them to reduce their health risks and some use them to wean off nicotine - it's that ability to choose that is so important. You choose not to accept even the small risks of vaping and you shouldn't feel bad about that. It doesn't negate the fact that even the highest risks of vaping are far lower than smoking for those who smoked before, so don't worry about it. All vapers should support people's right to CHOOSE and you choose not to vape.
In all honesty, if you smoked rarely, your health risks weren't that high to begin with (not that I recommend smoking AT ALL.) For smokers, reducing smoking from a pack a day to a couple a day significantly reduces health risks, so someone who who smokes only a few once in a while (like a pack a month or something) doesn't have the same high risks as a pack-a-day smoker (again, NOT recommending you continue smoking!) BUT keep in mind that your risks from occasionally vaping - even with the silica wicks and cotton question - are likely still lower than the risks from occasionally smoking, so please don't go back to smoking occasionally vs. vaping occasionally or quitting altogether.
I agree that there are a great number of zealots around. I've always disagreed with the types who go around calling people ANTZ for feeling it was impolite to blow clouds in certain situations, or saying that e-cigarettes are 100% safe. They are safer then cigarettes, hence why they are called a harm reduction tool. If the original poster was never addicted to cigarettes, then why should he take any risk at all? I will say this though. Rather then smoke an occasional cigarette, I'd rather he vaped occasionally.
Ugh.
I don't like what I see, so please, someone moderate it!
I admit perhaps the guy came off a little harshly, but then again, so did 20+ people on the original poster of this thread, for HIS opinions.
Instead of having a moderator come and lock up a thread and ban/punish a user here....why not let the posts speak for themselves?
Ive been told by a mod that talking here is a privilege and not a right, and that there is no way to know what topics arent allowed until you get punished for it
And also that my "agenda will cease"...yikes!
Just for the record, if a moderator is getting involved in this, I had nothing to do with it. I don't need to ask for intervention when I know the truth is on my side.
if you're calling that the majority then i will disagree with you all day.
I just read back thru this thread and it still amazes me how fast a thread can go south of the topic brought up by the OP. The OP has what they consider to be legitimate concerns and actually got a bit of decent feedback and some people trying to offer assistance while others chose to go on the attack and offer the advice of going back to smoking. Is that really how we want to be portrayed as a community? I think not.
I started out almost five years ago with my first ecig in hopes of quitting smoking after 23 years. I did quit after a few months but felt myself sinking into depression. I am one of the ones that does not function well without the minor alkaloids found in tobacco. Some folks suggested I try Swedish snus. I had always thought of smokeless tobacco as a gross habit that I wouldn't consider. I did as much reading and research as I could on the risk factors of snus and finally decided to give it a try. For me it was the "something missing" that I needed to stay level. I'm not saying that everyone that struggles should go buy snus but it is a reduced risk option that is much safer than smoking just as I believe vaping is much safer. WTA was not available to the public back then but I also believe that wta is a useful reduced risk option for those that need the minor alkaloids that regular nicotine liquids don't deliver. Just to be open, I use snus, regular eliquids, and wta eliquids.
I started out almost five years ago with my first ecig in hopes of quitting smoking after 23 years. I did quit after a few months but felt myself sinking into depression. I am one of the ones that does not function well without the minor alkaloids found in tobacco. Some folks suggested I try Swedish snus. I had always thought of smokeless tobacco as a gross habit that I wouldn't consider. I did as much reading and research as I could on the risk factors of snus and finally decided to give it a try. For me it was the "something missing" that I needed to stay level. I'm not saying that everyone that struggles should go buy snus but it is a reduced risk option that is much safer than smoking just as I believe vaping is much safer. WTA was not available to the public back then but I also believe that wta is a useful reduced risk option for those that need the minor alkaloids that regular nicotine liquids don't deliver. Just to be open, I use snus, regular eliquids, and wta eliquids.
I started vaping coz i thought it was cool. Never got into smoking cigareettes. Now im all into vaping haha
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