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[Kathleen]

I am very new to vaping......bought a brand called Envy from the local smoke shop. I didnt do any research until after I bought the e cigs since most of the testimonials I had read sounded great.
The Envy carts I bought are full flavor medium strength, 14mg nic.
One of the ingredients is PG......yikes.....that scared me since I had jumped on the bandwagon of avoiding products that contains PG.
So I did some researcn on PG and couldn't find any definitive answers, except for some posts on PG allergies. As for VG, (which I thought was the safer alternative) turns out to be possibly worse because when heated it converts to a substance called Acrolein.....a very dangerous carcinogen. Actolein is purportedly a ingredient in analogs....but in much smaller quantities. I vaped a bit last night ( I had to muster up the courage lol) this morning I had more congestion than usual and I don't know if it was the vape or the fact that baby's breath is in full bloom here. I'm probably being paranoid. I have been smoking analogs for a very long time......I really want to make the total switch to ecigs, and hopefully feel better like so many people have reported.
Any help or comments for a confused, chicken sh&^ newbee would be very appreciated.

 

[LilMew]

Hello to a fellow Washington gal! I had some interesting reactions at first, which I have since found out were the result of stopping the analogs. The reactions are all gone now. I vape VG and PG and I feel great!

 

[athlon14]

Read this,I think you miss identified "Propylene Glycol".
Propylene glycol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ckc]

So I did some researcn on PG and couldn't find any definitive answers, except for some posts on PG allergies. As for VG, (which I thought was the safer alternative) turns out to be possibly worse because when heated it converts to a substance called Acrolein.....

Atomisers do not burn hot enough for this to happen

 

[DC2]

It takes a lot more heat to make acrolein than what is generated by atomizers.
Now what is this about avoiding propylene glycol?

 

[Ast_Isis]

PG and VG are found everywhere you look.

PG is used in medical devices and in fog machines because it is a good vapor delivery system.

VG is added to tobacco and used as a fire fighting tool.

As stated above, ecigs do not heat up enough to produce Acrolein.

NOTE: The above stated uses of PG and VG are not comprehensive. These two products are literally found everywhere in our daily lives. This fact was worth reiterating!

 

[cozzicon]

Atomisers do not burn hot enough for this to happen

I think it's something like 250 centigrade before that happens. That's 482 degrees F.

The hottest an atomizer might burn is 250 F. There have been measurements on the bridge of the atomizer of 164 F.

 

[LadyPhoenix]

Wikipedia says:

Acrolein is not a suspected human carcinogen; no studies have been conducted on the carcinogenic effects of acrolein on humans, but studies on rats have shown an increase in cancerous tumors from ingestion, but not from inhalation.[citation needed]

But then it kind of contradicts itself because of the correlation between Acrolein in traditional cigarettes and cancer. However, glycerol has to be heated to 280 C to make Acrolein. I don't think the atomizers burn that hot as other users already posted.

 

[mistinthewoods]

Yeah, what ckc said. I did a little research a while back and came across an article about experiments where PG was heated in an attempt to produce acrolein. In these experiments the glycerin was heated to over 300 degrees kelvin and only traces of acrolein began to form. An atomizer doesn't get above 120 degrees Fahrenheit so it's not even close. You aren't getting acrolein from your ecig. Can't happen.

 

[Lorizgal]

Kathleen,
I wonder how many chemicals or carcinogens there are in regular tobacco cigarettes? Answer 5000 chemicals and about 46 carcinogens depending on the brand of cigarette.
So what's worse one thing that may be a carcinogen when it's heated to a certain temp (analog cigarettes heat up to 450degrees F) (PV that are heated to only 120 degrees at the most)....or an analog cigarette that has average 46 known carcinogens.
this is my 2 cents worth.

 

[athlon14]

Glycol and Glycerol are the same chemical?? I don't believe they are

 

[goatgal]

Kathleen,
I wonder how many chemicals or carcinogens there are in regular tobacco cigarettes? Answer 5000 chemicals and about 46 carcinogens depending on the brand of cigarette.
So what's worse one thing that may be a carcinogen when it's heated to a certain temp (analog cigarettes heat up to 450degrees F) (PV that are heated to only 120 degrees at the most)....or an analog cigarette that has average 46 known carcinogens.
this is my 2 cents worth.

yes, I totally agree with you....there is just sooo much crap to weed through when trying to research ecigs....I was a little intimidated.
Just afraid that I might be trading my old habit for a new one that would kill me quicker

 

[goatgal]

Thanks everyone.....you info has really helped ease my mind.
Happy vaping!

 

[Shaka]

Hi Kat!

You're probably eating pg and vg, and putting that stuff on your body, face, and hair every single day. They're in that many foods and household items.

Focus instead on the 40+ identified carcinogens that you're not going to put in you body everyday.

Welcome to ecf!!

 

[goatgal]

Hi Kat!

You're probably eating pg and vg, and putting that stuff on your body, face, and hair every single day. They're in that many foods and household items.

Focus instead on the 40+ identified carcinogens that you're not going to put in you body everyday.

Welcome to ecf!!

So true.......thanks

 

[jpalarch]

Stop worrying.

 

[opyrus]

PG and VG are found in many everyday house hold products things like sanitary wipes , baby wipes, soap , shampo , and its not just in cleaning products its in foods you eat like sauces , cookies , its safe enough to be used as a sugar replacment an int he case of PG also as a preservative. was in mcdonalds weeks ago an i had some packets of sauce on my tray an i looked down at the lable and guess what was in most of them PG same thing at burger king. i have bottles of this stuff i personaly used no nic liquids so when i mix up liquid i literaly taste test it in fact i rather like plain VG its like sugar water. this stuff is totaly safe if you have ever eaten cake chances are you have eaten VG as it is used in frosting. the only harmfull thing in e-liquid is the nicotine an in small amounts it is fine just dont drink your e-liquid well unless you use 0 nicotine. as i was typing this o what do you know orbit gum contains VG tastes good to me.

 

[Shaka]

...in fact i rather like plain VG its like sugar water. this stuff is totaly safe if you have ever eaten cake chances are you have eaten VG as it is used in frosting... what do you know orbit gum contains VG tastes good to me.

Correct Opy.

VG is often used as an artificial sweetner.

As a sugar substitute, it has approximately 27 calories per teaspoon and is 60 percent as sweet as sucrose. Although it has about the same food energy as table sugar, it does not raise blood sugar levels, nor does it feed the bacteria that form plaques and cause dental cavities. Wikipedia

Also doesn't need to carry a PKU warning like aspartame (Nutrisweet, Equal, "the blue packs").

 

[Xanax]

Like another poster has said... "if you could make acrolein by heating up VG in your e-cig you'd be a very famous person"

 

[The Fool]

Hi Kathleen and Welcome. Since there have not been any good studies yet on the effects on the body of the use of e-cigarettes, the information that has been compiled suggest that this delivery system may be alright. I will be glad when further studies are done. But what I can tell you from a personal perspective, as a person who smoked 2 plus packs a day for 40 years, 6 months off of them has made my body very very happy. There were side effects from the e-cigs at first like a sore throat that scared me a little bit, but it soon passed. I'm sure that the best thing would be to quit completely, but that has never worked for me and this has proven to be a very good option.