I don't understand why some people keep lowering their Nic so they can vape only 0 Nic. What's the point? E-cigs aren't particularly addictive and Nic is no more harmful (or harmless) than Caffeine. Do they drink decaffeinated drinks and 0 alcohol as well?
Going down that 0 Nic road?
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For me i don't want to have to be dependent on nicotine, which is the way I see it.
Like people who drink coffee, they need their fix and so on, so they are dependent on the caffeine.
I just want to do something if and when I want.
Like people who drink coffee, they need their fix and so on, so they are dependent on the caffeine.
I just want to do something if and when I want.
I am lowering mine as it is not conducive to my Cardiac Arrhythmia.
If you are truly interested I have 1 cup of coffee per day that is regular caff and I pretty much consume 0 alcohol.
If you are truly interested I have 1 cup of coffee per day that is regular caff and I pretty much consume 0 alcohol.
Three things spring to mind,
1) It is harmful. Particularly for the cardiovascular system, but also possibly associated with pancreatic cancer, at least. And has all kinds of complex associations with dementia.
2) It is addictive. Some people just don't want to be addicted to something, even if it's not massively harmful. The debate about how addictive it is isn't by any means finished - there are people who have become heavily addicted to the gum, so "it's not the nicotine that's the problem" is an oversimplification.
3) It's cheaper - probably only significantly so if you DIY.
1) It is harmful. Particularly for the cardiovascular system, but also possibly associated with pancreatic cancer, at least. And has all kinds of complex associations with dementia.
2) It is addictive. Some people just don't want to be addicted to something, even if it's not massively harmful. The debate about how addictive it is isn't by any means finished - there are people who have become heavily addicted to the gum, so "it's not the nicotine that's the problem" is an oversimplification.
3) It's cheaper - probably only significantly so if you DIY.
For me I started consciously lowering my nic levels and now do mostly zero nic because I really see nic as the choke point the FDA can nail us with. As of now if the FDA shuts off the NIC supply with my DIY skills I can happily vape for the rest of my life with the small supply I have set aside in my freezer.
I enjoy the sensation and flavors of vaping. It is the act of vaping that keeps me from going back to cigs. The farther I got into vaping the more I realized the nic was probably never my problem with quitting. It was the act of inhaling and exhaling the smoke/vapor that I really enjoyed and was hooked on.
I have set myself up so that no matter what the FDA does now. I am set and will not lose this wonderful thing that let me walk away from cigs.
I enjoy the sensation and flavors of vaping. It is the act of vaping that keeps me from going back to cigs. The farther I got into vaping the more I realized the nic was probably never my problem with quitting. It was the act of inhaling and exhaling the smoke/vapor that I really enjoyed and was hooked on.
I have set myself up so that no matter what the FDA does now. I am set and will not lose this wonderful thing that let me walk away from cigs.
A lot of people lower it because it is simply one less thing to worry about.
Others, like myself, do it because their bodies tell them to. This is usually paired with a new super hard hitting mod too.
Others, like myself, do it because their bodies tell them to. This is usually paired with a new super hard hitting mod too.
That too. Dropping the nic level got a whole lot easier when I started with RBDs.
/me wanders off to build a coil for the new REO + RM2.
Some people, myself included, just enjoy vaping. The different flavors, tinkering with RBA's and RDA's, different mods... searching for that perfect vape. It's more of a hobby now that they are more into it and no longer addicted to the nicotine.
I went to zero nic after I got well over my addiction to cigarettes. These days I'm comfortable at zero nic and vape that mostly but if I decide I want nicotine I do use up to about 10 mg. I find that now that I don't vape nic all the time I get a real boost from it when I do and it doesn't take much to do that. This also helps insure I will not go back to smoking if government regulations should shut down our nic supply.
I don't consider nic to be addictive, but just like caffeine if I get dependent on it it looses some of it's value for me. I also drink decaff coffee 95% of the time with the same result I get from my nic use. I don't drink alcohol nearly as often as I vape or drink coffee, so that's not the same thing for me.
This works for me, but to each their own. There is certainly no one size fits all in life in general.
Vape on.
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When i first lowered my nic from 24mg to 18mg it was because it was to much for me...that was true all the way down to 6mg.
I'm vaping 0mg for 2 days now because i wanted to see if i can be without nicotine..i can and i will be vaping 0 nic and have a couple of bottles with various nic strenght if i feel a craving..
And the last reason for staying at 0mg is the savings i get from only buying PG and VG (i DIY).
It's all good..i don't think that everybody should stop using nicotine but if you can do that with no problems...why not give it up?
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I'm vaping 0mg for 2 days now because i wanted to see if i can be without nicotine..i can and i will be vaping 0 nic and have a couple of bottles with various nic strenght if i feel a craving..
And the last reason for staying at 0mg is the savings i get from only buying PG and VG (i DIY).
It's all good..i don't think that everybody should stop using nicotine but if you can do that with no problems...why not give it up?
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I've lowered my nicotine slowly over time because my tolerance decreased. I'm currently at 4 mg, not quite ready for 0, but if my history is any guide I'll be there in another year or so. 
If nic isn't particularly addictive, then it shouldn't matter whether or not people lower their level or not. But, everyone is different. Some struggle to move to full-time vaping, others switch immediately with no trouble. Some lower their nic almost immediately, others need higher levels for much longer/indefinitely, and others need WTAs.
As long as e-cigs and liquids are available then all that matters is what works for any given person.
If nic isn't particularly addictive, then it shouldn't matter whether or not people lower their level or not. But, everyone is different. Some struggle to move to full-time vaping, others switch immediately with no trouble. Some lower their nic almost immediately, others need higher levels for much longer/indefinitely, and others need WTAs.
As long as e-cigs and liquids are available then all that matters is what works for any given person.
oh, other reasons for dropping to 0 nic might be: insurance plans that include nicotine use in the tobacco surcharge, jobs that forbid nicotine use (there are a small number of hospitals that won't hire anyone who tests positive for nic), or, as was mentioned above, concerns related to the potential consequences of the upcoming FDA deeming regulations .
I keep lowering my nic level because I don't like that nervous (tweaked-out) feel I get when chain vaping.
Interesting replies. I've been vaping 12mg Nic for well over a year and half now and I can say with ease that I'm not addicted or if I am it is very minor. I can do whole day without vaping, not even thinking about it. Usually I don't even vape before mid day. No such thing as "I must have a vape as soon as I wake up". With cigarettes it was a completely different story. Having a smoke was always on my mind.
Now days it's more of looking forward to my favorite flavor but I do like the Nic so I can feel I'm inhaling something. From the extensive research I've done, Nic is no more dangerous than Caffeine, food additives and many other things we consume daily so it's not something I'm concerned about.
Now days it's more of looking forward to my favorite flavor but I do like the Nic so I can feel I'm inhaling something. From the extensive research I've done, Nic is no more dangerous than Caffeine, food additives and many other things we consume daily so it's not something I'm concerned about.
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A couple reasons for me. I am at 6mg and like it. First, it's cheaper for DIY. Second, I like that if I'm not able to vape a while, I don't really have withdraws. I can go several hours and not feel like I'm going crazy. Third, IMO, the juice tastes SO much better when you get down to low nicotine.
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EDIT: I had absolutely no anxiety and no withdrawal symptoms upon making the switch. I did it successfully within 24 hours. Occasionally, my hands craved a cigalike, especially when drinking, so I got me a bunch of Volts. Problem solved.
I understand all sides to the argument, but I agree with the OP. I like my nic like any Starbucks fanatic loves their whatevers. And I need 2.4's throat hit. I just do. I tried to lower, and I wasn't satisfied. Why choose to be unsatisfied? So I'm still at 2.4.
EDIT: I have zero withdrawals because I hit my gear a lot less. A few good pulls and I'm good.
I understand all sides to the argument, but I agree with the OP. I like my nic like any Starbucks fanatic loves their whatevers. And I need 2.4's throat hit. I just do. I tried to lower, and I wasn't satisfied. Why choose to be unsatisfied? So I'm still at 2.4.
EDIT: I have zero withdrawals because I hit my gear a lot less. A few good pulls and I'm good.
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Good to hear that you found what works for you. IMO, there's nothing wrong with what you're doing. It's great that vaping has so many options to help make it work for a lot of people.
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Yeah, I'm lowering mine so I don't have to worry about it when it comes time to get insurance somewhere. I'd just as soon not deal with nicotine anymore.
Years ago when I started out reducing my nic levels I did it because once I'd quit smoking I never wanted to return to it again and at the time we were still waiting for the outcome of the court battle. If that battle had been lost it would have pretty much killed vaping At the time I didn't intend to become a zero nic vapor anytime in my near future, I just wanted to reduce my dependence on nicotine in case the court battle was lost and vaping become difficult.
To my great surprise, a few months later without trying to give up all nicotine I realized I'd lost my addiction to nicotine. For almost 3 years now I've treated nicotine the same way I treat Caffeine. Most often I vape zero nic but sometimes I do enjoy some nic in my juice just like I most often drink decafe coffee but I do enjoy caffinated coffee sometimes As far as alcohol goes, I guess you could say I treat it the same way, occasionally enjoy some, but its not something I drink everyday
After so many years of being addicted to smoking it was wonderful to give up those nasty cigarettes and switch to vaping. For me, loosing my addiction to nicotine meant I no longer needed to vape because my body still wanted its daily dose of nicotine but simply be able to vape because I enjoy it.
For me personally, I found that nicotine without the other additives found in cigarettes was not the highly addicted drug we've been let to believe it is. Other's will find they are still more addicted to nicotine alone then I was. Nicotine, like caffeine is a vascular constrictor and that is one reason today I choose to limit the amount of nicotine and caffeine I choose to use. The studies that show nicotine can slow done or stop the onet of dementia IMO are a great reason to continue to occasionally use some nicotine.
At the time I didn't intend to become a zero nic vapor anytime in my near future, I just wanted to reduce my dependence on nicotine in case the court battle was lost and vaping become difficult. To my great surprise, a few months later without trying to give up all nicotine I realized I'd lost my addiction to nicotine. For almost 3 years now I've treated nicotine the same way I treat Caffeine. Most often I vape zero nic but sometimes I do enjoy some nic in my juice just like I most often drink decafe coffee but I do enjoy caffinated coffee sometimes
As far as alcohol goes, I guess you could say I treat it the same way, occasionally enjoy some, but its not something I drink everyday After so many years of being addicted to smoking it was wonderful to give up those nasty cigarettes and switch to vaping.
For me, loosing my addiction to nicotine meant I no longer needed to vape because my body still wanted its daily dose of nicotine but simply be able to vape because I enjoy it. For me personally, I found that nicotine without the other additives found in cigarettes was not the highly addicted drug we've been let to believe it is. Other's will find they are still more addicted to nicotine alone then I was. Nicotine, like caffeine is a vascular constrictor and that is one reason today I choose to limit the amount of nicotine and caffeine I choose to use. The studies that show nicotine can slow done or stop the onet of dementia IMO are a great reason to continue to occasionally use some nicotine.
...The studies that show nicotine can slow done or stop the onet of dementia IMO are a great reason to continue to occasionally use some nicotine.
The problem being there are also studies that point to it being a risk factor in the first place...
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