Something I wrote back in 2015
Sadly it looks like the nannies and/or ninnies are getting their way AGAIN
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Sadly it looks like the nannies and/or ninnies are getting their way AGAIN
Something I wrote back in 2015
Sadly it looks like the nannies and/or ninnies are getting their way AGAIN
Great minds, I walk in the shadow of genius.
It's sad that nicotine is the culprit in corporate testing for tobacco use. If they tested for Caffeine in hospitals most everyone would lose their jobs.
Caffeine & Nicotine
Caffeine & Nicotine
Just think, if the health care institutions tested for basic hand washing skills and enforced the actual use of those skills, why nosocomial infections might actually diminish.
Thank you bunches but it is not genius. It is just years and years of observationGreat minds, I walk in the shadow of genius.
Certain hospital locked units will provide decaffeinated products only. That's been going on a very long time (some people have anxiety, some people's meds react to caffeine) etc. is the logic. It's not very pleasant for your first few days, especially if you are there involuntarily and can't go out for breaks. Also, almost every person on that unit was likely drinking caffeine (not to mention smoking cigarettes) prior to admission. That's really good for "stabilization" let me tell you...
One of the reasons why I gave up on hospitals a long time ago. I was never happy on a locked unit unless I was holding the keys, and then I decided even that was Way Too Much Powah for me to deal with/ethically accept....
Haven't looked back (until this thread, that is).
Anna
One of the reasons why I gave up on hospitals a long time ago. I was never happy on a locked unit unless I was holding the keys, and then I decided even that was Way Too Much Powah for me to deal with/ethically accept....
Haven't looked back (until this thread, that is).
Anna
Hospitals started to do this because of people cutting corners to go out and smoke, and smokers taking longer breaks.
Also it is a liability nightmare if an employee forgot to do something because they were having a "NIC FIT".
As stated before caffeine is just as bad if not more addicting then nicotine, for now it's still ok to drink caffeinated beverages. For what it's worth some places now have a "sugar tax". If your beverage is sweetened you pay a tax per once of the beverage you purchased.
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Also it is a liability nightmare if an employee forgot to do something because they were having a "NIC FIT".
As stated before caffeine is just as bad if not more addicting then nicotine, for now it's still ok to drink caffeinated beverages. For what it's worth some places now have a "sugar tax". If your beverage is sweetened you pay a tax per once of the beverage you purchased.
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Hospitals would not have to do this if they hired adequate staff and gave them reasonable break time. The hours involved in working in a hospital are inhumane enough as it is. The reason I am not an MD is that I would NEVER have made it through residency back then. As a single mom it would have been a technical impossibility, and any hospital who subjects their STAFF to such inhumanity should take a look at what it's doing to patients to have overstressed, burned out staff who feel that Big Brother is watching one's every move....
So, we get burned out, worn out hospital staff who are now being subject to increasing levels of regulation. Fine. But I still don't have to agree with ANY of it.
I'd also be interested in an instance of NIC FIT being the cause of a patient's death (proven and reported on). I've heard of cases of staff on illicit substances in the OR causing harm, I have yet to hear of a "nic fit" (not even sure what that is) causing harm to a patient.
Also, even at my worst, smoking-wise, I'd be unlikely to bolt from my work position to run out and smoke a cigarette. I might *want* to smoke, but hardly enough to affect my concentration to the point that I could not perform any assigned task. I COULD go multiple hours without smoking when needed, it just wasn't pleasant, yes, even without nic replacement. It's a matter of priorities. This kind of big brother thing... Look, if someone can't do their job without five hundred breaks, then fire them. It's that simple. We Are Adults, but now because it's a hospital, it has to be the nanny state for everyone? I don't get it.
Anna
So, we get burned out, worn out hospital staff who are now being subject to increasing levels of regulation. Fine. But I still don't have to agree with ANY of it.
I'd also be interested in an instance of NIC FIT being the cause of a patient's death (proven and reported on). I've heard of cases of staff on illicit substances in the OR causing harm, I have yet to hear of a "nic fit" (not even sure what that is) causing harm to a patient.
Also, even at my worst, smoking-wise, I'd be unlikely to bolt from my work position to run out and smoke a cigarette. I might *want* to smoke, but hardly enough to affect my concentration to the point that I could not perform any assigned task. I COULD go multiple hours without smoking when needed, it just wasn't pleasant, yes, even without nic replacement. It's a matter of priorities. This kind of big brother thing... Look, if someone can't do their job without five hundred breaks, then fire them. It's that simple. We Are Adults, but now because it's a hospital, it has to be the nanny state for everyone? I don't get it.
Anna
Hospitals would not have to do this if they hired adequate staff and gave them reasonable break time. The hours involved in working in a hospital are inhumane enough as it is. The reason I am not an MD is that I would NEVER have made it through residency back then. As a single mom it would have been a technical impossibility, and any hospital who subjects their STAFF to such inhumanity should take a look at what it's doing to patients to have overstressed, burned out staff who feel that Big Brother is watching one's every move....
So, we get burned out, worn out hospital staff who are now being subject to increasing levels of regulation. Fine. But I still don't have to agree with ANY of it.
I'd also be interested in an instance of NIC FIT being the cause of a patient's death (proven and reported on). I've heard of cases of staff on illicit substances in the OR causing harm, I have yet to hear of a "nic fit" (not even sure what that is) causing harm to a patient.
Also, even at my worst, smoking-wise, I'd be unlikely to bolt from my work position to run out and smoke a cigarette. I might *want* to smoke, but hardly enough to affect my concentration to the point that I could not perform any assigned task. I COULD go multiple hours without smoking when needed, it just wasn't pleasant, yes, even without nic replacement. It's a matter of priorities. This kind of big brother thing... Look, if someone can't do their job without five hundred breaks, then fire them. It's that simple. We Are Adults, but now because it's a hospital, it has to be the nanny state for everyone? I don't get it.
I am pretty sure that I know exactly what a "nic fit" is. I'm thinking that those Eat A Snickers commercials show something similar to it, but not quite.
Not everyone, just a few bad apples. I agree medical workers should be given more breaks and not forced to work 12 hours minimum.Hospitals would not have to do this if they hired adequate staff and gave them reasonable break time. The hours involved in working in a hospital are inhumane enough as it is. The reason I am not an MD is that I would NEVER have made it through residency back then. As a single mom it would have been a technical impossibility, and any hospital who subjects their STAFF to such inhumanity should take a look at what it's doing to patients to have overstressed, burned out staff who feel that Big Brother is watching one's every move....
So, we get burned out, worn out hospital staff who are now being subject to increasing levels of regulation. Fine. But I still don't have to agree with ANY of it.
I'd also be interested in an instance of NIC FIT being the cause of a patient's death (proven and reported on). I've heard of cases of staff on illicit substances in the OR causing harm, I have yet to hear of a "nic fit" (not even sure what that is) causing harm to a patient.
Also, even at my worst, smoking-wise, I'd be unlikely to bolt from my work position to run out and smoke a cigarette. I might *want* to smoke, but hardly enough to affect my concentration to the point that I could not perform any assigned task. I COULD go multiple hours without smoking when needed, it just wasn't pleasant, yes, even without nic replacement. It's a matter of priorities. This kind of big brother thing... Look, if someone can't do their job without five hundred breaks, then fire them. It's that simple. We Are Adults, but now because it's a hospital, it has to be the nanny state for everyone? I don't get it.
Anna
Unfortunately death isn't the only cause of malpractice suits. You will never hear some one say it was because they wanted to smoke a cigarette, any other reason but that.
I have seen many people very agitated and loose concentration over simple things because they felt the need to smoke. The ones who vape that I have seen no longer have that issue.
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While demonizing smoking and smokers, these testing procedures cast too large a net. They demonize all users of nicotine, even the pharmaceutical NRT's. Perhaps a test for carboxyhemoglobin would separate nicotine use from smoking.
Lol at the Idea of healthcare professionals fighting for a right to indulge knowingly in an extremely unhealthy, unsanitary addiction is pure ironic comedy gold.
That sure inspires confidence in the folks we trust our lives to.
Sounds like a fantastic idea.
Smoking breaks for heart surgeons.
That sure inspires confidence in the folks we trust our lives to.
Sounds like a fantastic idea.
Smoking breaks for heart surgeons.
BREAKS for healthcare workers.
PERFORMANCE EVALUATIONS determining employee status, not mandatory drug testing unless there is suspicion of illicit use.
IMPROVED OUTCOMES for hospitals that has nothing to do with smoking status or not.
Would you prefer the world's best heart surgeon who smokes cigars at night, or some resident who goes home and drinks heavily after his shift and has almost no experience? I'll take the former, thanks.
Some of my best medical professionals are current/former/whatever smokers. I don't care, I care if they can do their job, and smoking has NOTHING to do with that, in actual fact. In fact, many of them are VERY experienced former smokers.
I think you are missing the point, Bad Ninja. Repeatedly.
Please cite any study indicating that tobacco free hospitals lead to improved health outcomes. PLEASE do THAT and I will be happy to cede the point.
Otherwise, it's just accepting a world in which our government decides what we do with our free time, JUST because it's hospitals/healthcare, there are many other high risk professions, who's next on your list?? As far as I'm concerned, have a tobacco free campus, FINE, but there is no reason to not allow smokers to use nicotine replacement in whatever fashion they choose that doesn't impede their performance, and to leave the campus during their break time provided they use universal precautions and hand washing upon their return.
Anna
PERFORMANCE EVALUATIONS determining employee status, not mandatory drug testing unless there is suspicion of illicit use.
IMPROVED OUTCOMES for hospitals that has nothing to do with smoking status or not.
Would you prefer the world's best heart surgeon who smokes cigars at night, or some resident who goes home and drinks heavily after his shift and has almost no experience? I'll take the former, thanks.
Some of my best medical professionals are current/former/whatever smokers. I don't care, I care if they can do their job, and smoking has NOTHING to do with that, in actual fact. In fact, many of them are VERY experienced former smokers.
I think you are missing the point, Bad Ninja. Repeatedly.
Please cite any study indicating that tobacco free hospitals lead to improved health outcomes. PLEASE do THAT and I will be happy to cede the point.
Otherwise, it's just accepting a world in which our government decides what we do with our free time, JUST because it's hospitals/healthcare, there are many other high risk professions, who's next on your list?? As far as I'm concerned, have a tobacco free campus, FINE, but there is no reason to not allow smokers to use nicotine replacement in whatever fashion they choose that doesn't impede their performance, and to leave the campus during their break time provided they use universal precautions and hand washing upon their return.
Anna
Lol at the Idea of healthcare professionals fighting for a right to indulge knowingly in an extremely unhealthy, unsanitary addiction is pure ironic comedy gold.
That sure inspires confidence in the folks we trust our lives to.
Sounds like a fantastic idea.
Smoking breaks for heart surgeons.
A lot of the medical healthcare professionals that I have known personally enjoy engaging in very risky behavior. Including addictive behavior. Where they stand on advocating for/against specific laws has more to do with where they stand on an authoritarian versus libertarian political scale rather than their own personal beliefs. If you'd like to include mental health care professionals then the number skyrockets, including those mental healthcare professionals who will advise treatment plans designed as a complicated system of addressing issues in order of relative importance to the patient's overall well being.
Yes, it's possible.
Cool. But I say why stop there?
Maybe Hospitals should Fire people who have an Above Average Body Fat Index? Or anyone who can't Run a Mile in say 6 Minutes.
If it is OK to Discriminate Against anyone one who uses Nicotine, I don't see why you can't Discriminate Against Fat and Out of Shape People?
In Fact, I can think of a Whole Host of things a Hospital could use to Discriminate Against anyone they Don't Like. Or Anyone who Doesn't Fit Into the Agenda the want you to Live By when you are Not On the Clock.
Funny Thing.
The last time I was in the Hospital, just about everyone on in a White Lab Coat or Blue Scrubs practically begged me to start using the Patch.
Guess it was OK for me to go back to My Job with Patch Induced Nicotine cursing thru my veins. Just as long as My Job wasn't working in a Hospital.
I think I am Old School. Because I believe that what an Employee Does on their Time is their Business. As long as it Doesn't Interfere with their Job Performance.
I'm in the hospital right now. I'm recovering from hip replacement surgery on 08/03.
The hospital lets me vape.
Maybe things are looking up, y'all.
The hospital lets me vape.
Maybe things are looking up, y'all.
Oh, my...you have a very valid point, very scary but very valid. How about AIDS? Tests for that, I doubt. Cost, risk?
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Damn hospital rules.
Why should they even bother washing their hands?
Sounds oppressive.
Forget those cardio patients, asthmatics, and patients with compromised immune systems....without whom the staff wouln't exist..
Nurse gotta have the right to smoke a ...., right?
I get what you're saying. For some reason, those scenarios don't seem quite so far fetched to me now.
I can see it easily happening now that they've been able to get away with what they have already done.
The insurance company through my hubby's work is now requiring a consultation with a (picked by the ins company) nutritionist. If hubby doesn't do the consultation, they will raise his rate that he has to pay. Do the consultation and it's status quo.
There is something seriously broken when insurance companies have that much power. And they keep getting more powerful.
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