Going to extract tobacco

[edacsac]

Hi all.

I actually joined up to look at e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/liquid-extraction-tobacco/, thinking I needed to be a member, but I guess nobody gets to see it.


I'm going to start a tobacco extraction using 6 types of whole tobacco leaf, but I'm trying to decide on an exact method and looking for more information. I intend to use a crockpot to heat for a period of time, but I also need to physically test the exact temperature of the "keep warm" setting.

I currently have some vanilla and almond working in "moonshine" at room temperature.

So anyway, Hello!

 

[InTheShade]

Hi edacsac, welcome to the forum. Are you able to view that forum you are interested in? I can see the forum.

If not, it may be that you need your 5 posts (and a server update at .25 past the hour) to get to be able to view it. Just reply in this thread and maybe say Hi to a few new members and you'll have them in no time.

I've never tried extraction although it interests me. I don't have enough time to do my regular DIY so I have no plans to start... yet ... I have enough rabbit holes I am in at the moment.

 

[edacsac]

Thanks InTheShade,

No, it tells me I am not allowed.

I hear you with too many projects. I end up just buying supplies which forces me to get things going. I'll update with results when I get it going.

 

[Dougiestyle]

There are varying schools of thought regarding tobacco extraction. Some say heat. Some say cold. There's no correct way, other than the one that works best for you. As InTheShade said, get your post count up and we'll see you in the appropriate area.

 

[sparkky1]

The heat for about four hours will shorten the steeping posses but you will still need to steep it for at leas another 3- 4 weeks.
I do a cold maceration with Propylene glycol and 30 ml of whole grain just covering the Tobacco in a mason jar, store it in dark cabinet for 4- 6 weeks.
Your going to need some filters that funnel.

Your putting what kind of vanilla & almond flavoring in there ?

 

[edacsac]

I read some articles about heating for days, and of course straight up cold maceration as well. I'll try several styles.

I also googled a post where a lady became terribly sick from a process she posted, but the forum completely deleted the process but still went on about the consequences. Would've been better to leave it and note it as what NOT to do, instead of letting others fail on their own without the benefit of the information. Some people have no common sense.

As for the vanilla and almond, I'm just doing an exaction for the sake of extraction - for cooking as well. I may or may not use it with a tobacco vape. Both use 1 cup of alcohol; vanilla has 23 madagascar vanilla beans split and scraped, and the almonds are raw - finely chopped. Should be fun.

 

[edacsac]

Ideally I would like to focus on gentle warming for a period as opposed to high heat, but I'm not sure the crockpot is going to work that way. I read that the warming option is is around 150-160F. That is not the gentle heat I was looking for.

I have some 10 micron and 5 micron filters, along with standard coffee filters. I'm also going all VG and all PG, so the VG will need some help I suppose. I imagine I'll go 3 different processes for each of the six tobacco types.

This sounds like work all of a sudden.

 

[edacsac]

I'm not trying to be lazy by doing my 5th post here, but I tried to reply to a post in the news category and it said no deal.

 

[Remi Love]

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[rolygate]

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Many people have had success with tobacco leaf extractions using glycerine, utilising a simple quick boil in a microwave followed by a 24 hour steep. You will get a very thick dark extract with this method, and it needs some thinning-out. Different solvents give a different result and taste. You can buy professional ones called NETs if it's the flavour you are after. This may be the best way to go unless you are a dedicated tinkerer - extractions need a bit of work to get right. For example you might find that the result does not provide exactly the flavour or whatever you wanted, so you have to repeat the process several times to get an acceptable result. Generally, you can buy ready-made products where all that work has been done. Search: NET, naturally-extracted tobacco or natural extract of tobacco.

 

[sparkky1]

I think your going to find the cold maceration a whole lot easier / less messy, there is no rushing a good NET.It takes most of a day to filter my 120 ml of PG so I would think about using some distilled water to cut the 100 % VG.
With any extract your going to want a base of either PG or VG not just Alcohol, if you do use alcohol your going to need to let it breath a couple hours a twice a week for a few weeks but the point is to let the alcohol evaporate as the alcohol is just there to help strip the good stuff from the leaves but to vape it would be horrible.What you end up with will still be just a base that you will still need to mix with more PG / VG to your prefered ratio.Same with the flavor extracts ( vanilla )
What rolygate is saying is you can get 30 ml for about 18.00 ( my vape juice )

 

[sparkky1]

I think your going to find the cold maceration a whole lot easier / less messy, there is no rushing a good NET.It takes most of a day to filter my 120 ml of PG so I would think about using some distilled water to cut the 100 % VG.
With any extract your going to want a base of either PG or VG not just Alcohol, if you do use alcohol your going to need to let it breath a couple hours a twice a week for a few weeks but the point is to let the alcohol evaporate as the alcohol is just there to help strip the good stuff from the leaves but to vape it would be horrible.What you end up with will still be just a base that you will still need to mix with more PG / VG to your prefered ratio.Same with the flavor extracts ( vanilla )
What rolygate is saying is you can get 30 ml for about 18.00 ( my vape juice )

 

[edacsac]

I've actually tried a few NETs out there. One I really like, but is only available in 100 % PG; the other is 100% VG, but there is another flavor in it that the vendor won't elaborate on when I ask.

 

[sparkky1]

Adding flavors to become your own is the fun part, in time you will make better.As I said before unless they alredy added the nicotine it is just a base and 100 % VG can be cut down with distilled water if you are in fact PG intolerante, look for flavoring. bull city, wizard lab, .diy-ejuice, diy flavor shack

 

[Bunnykiller]

Ive tried VG base extracts and PGA ( Everclear)...
the VG base solvent came out thick dark and can gunk up a wick in minutes
PGA method produces a cleaner less gunky juice and it also allows one to increase or decrease the flavor "density"

check out this section of ECF

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/liquid-extraction-tobacco/

lots of good reading

 

[edacsac]

I want to try PGA, but everclear is illegal in my state. I know I can use a 151 and I may try a small batch with it.

 

[edacsac]

It takes most of a day to filter my 120 ml of PG so I would think about using some distilled water to cut the 100 % VG.

Is water appropriate? I know that VG is supposed to be aseptic, so water should not introduce issues, but I've read other opinions that only alcohol is right and adding water to your VG will eventually give you nasty lung problems.

 

[sparkky1]

If your talking about distilled water no I have never heard such rumors, it is used to thin the VG only as VG / PG are the flavor carrier, The purpose of the alcohol ( try high proof vodka ) is to act as a preservative as well a means of extracting components from plant materials.

 

[rolygate]

Most 100% glycerine liquids are thinned with about 10% of water otherwise they are too thick to wick properly. Some people add just 5%, some add up to 20%. Somewhere around 10% is about right but it also depends on several other factors (like how much flavouring is added, as that is much thinner no matter what it's based on).

These TEs or NETs, whatever you want to call them (tobacco essence or extract, or natural extracts of tobacco) tend to last a long time in the bottle, mainly because they're highly concentrated and you don't need much. Therefore it is probably best to keep them as pure as possible until needed. Adding water early on is creating a path to degrading them via bacterial growth, as the bacteria need water - so the less water the better until you are about to vape it.

Glycerine is bacteriostatic - it doesn't support bacterial growth, although it doesn't kill bacteria. However there will always be some water content, so bacterial growth in the headspace is possible, where the water vapour will collect. Ethanol and PG are bactericides (kills bacteria), so adding some (if there is none so far) will help.

And, vaping water is harmless of course: ecig vapour as inhaled is about 66% water anyway due to the atmospheric content and the water vapour contained in the lungs - see any frosty morning, where the water content of your breath becomes visible. Otherwise going in a sauna would cause lung diseases, and nothing has been reported from Finland about that for 200 years so we should be OK.

 

[Remi Love]

When ever I was making an extract in the past I used to be a chef so I loved custom made extracts I would take the leaves /seeds/nuts and dry them out . Then I would take grain alcohol in the largest mason jar you can find and soak the leaves for a week or longer string occasionally adding more leaves as the others broke down shredded works best. Then after a week or two I would drain off the alcohol solution (keep this) and discard the pulp left over. You have to have a thermometer because you dont want to kill what you have made gently heat the alcohol/extract (member its super flammable) mixture to no higher than 125 deg F and let this solution heat till you have only half left. At this point you can add your favorite sweetener depending on what you are going to do with it . Remember this is an extract you have to put it in something else like PG or VG to make it get the flavor going for use in stuff such as
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