Good coil wire that lasts?

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Let me jump in here! I have the Zeus single coil and have struggled with the exact same problem. The issue, I have come to believe is the cotton. Now, I'm not totally sure if it is too much cotton or the type of cotton. I fought this for quite a while. What I discovered was after a day of vaping I was getting those burn hits. When I removed the cotton the cotton was saturated except at the coil, it was dry. It was getting bunched up somehow at the coil. I kept making thinner and thinner wicks and the problem didn't get any better. I was using the japanese cotton. I switched to natural cotton, which is harder to work with, and I have not had a problem since.

It's the cotton! Too much or the wrong kind but it's the cotton.
Which cotton do you use?
 

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There is a great thread by an ECF user who has more atomizer experience than anyone.

It is a thread for top air attys like the Zeus where he runs down the pros and cons of basically all that are available. You might find something in there if you decide to look for a new tank, struggling with a device is a horrible experience and I have taken a hammer to a few... ;)
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The video posted above shows the guy filling the wick ports and wrapping the wicking around the base of the deck. You are saying the wick should just barely fill the ports and I should not have enouto wrap around the bottom of the deck, correct?
The guy in the video is wrong.. Ignore that video.
 

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It seems to already be hitting better. I have it set to 30 watts. Now let's see if it can last longer than a day.

What would be the best way to clean the coil?
Let us know. Next time you recoil set the coils a little lower. Coil placement affects taste. In your pic you went above the air holes, putting it down a little lower assures it doesn't hit the top of the chamber when you put the tank back together. Over all sounds like you are doing ok.....

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Let me jump in here! I have the Zeus single coil and have struggled with the exact same problem. The issue, I have come to believe is the cotton. Now, I'm not totally sure if it is too much cotton or the type of cotton. I fought this for quite a while. What I discovered was after a day of vaping I was getting those burn hits. When I removed the cotton the cotton was saturated except at the coil, it was dry. It was getting bunched up somehow at the coil. I kept making thinner and thinner wicks and the problem didn't get any better. I was using the japanese cotton. I switched to natural cotton, which is harder to work with, and I have not had a problem since.

It's the cotton! Too much or the wrong kind but it's the cotton.
I use rayon and have zero problems wicking and it has great taste. This is one of my fav tanks to date for the ease of building.
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Attached is a picture of the new coil mounted to the deck. Does this look good and mounted high enough?

I will then use less cotton and thin the ends. Should the cotton go into the channel and touch the bottom of the deck or it should not go down that far?
Look at the bars on the sides of the deck. The holes in them are the ones we are referring to. You have it set just a bit above the top air holes and the coil should be a little lower. I believe @Izan suggested the top of the coil should be even with the top air holes. You can experiment with the placement when you build your next coil. I personally like it just a bit lower. The reason --to find the best flavor for you as the coil placement does affect the way the juice taste.

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Let us know. Next time you recoil set the coils a little lower. Coil placement affects taste. In your pic you went above the air holes, putting it down a little lower assures it doesn't hit the top of the chamber when you put the tank back together. Over all sounds like you are doing ok.....

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Will do. Thanks a lot
 

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Now that I am getting things closer to being set up correctly, how often on average will I need to clean the coil and rewick?

What is the best way to clean the coil?
Depends on a few factors. The type of juice you use, it is clear or dark in color? Does it have a lot of sweeteners in it? I ask because dark flavors and sweeteners tend to gunk up coils faster than clear ones do. It will also depend on how often it is used. If you use 2 sets of mods with different tanks and switch between them during the day, you are not hitting it as hard. If you have 1 mod you use and are hitting it regularly then it may not last as long. These factors influence the life of the coil/wick. Some members who use these darker flavors/sweeteners tend to rewick/dry burn to clean coils every week or so.

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Depends on a few factors. The type of juice you use, it is clear or dark in color? Does it have a lot of sweeteners in it? I ask because dark flavors and sweeteners tend to gunk up coils faster than clear ones do. It will also depend on how often it is used. If you use 2 sets of mods with different tanks and switch between them during the day, you are not hitting it as hard. If you have 1 mod you use and are hitting it regularly then it may not last as long. These factors influence the life of the coil/wick. Some members who use these darker flavors/sweeteners tend to rewick/dry burn to clean coils every week or so.

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I use sweet juice that is a little dark. One mod that I chain vape daily.
 

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Now that I am getting things closer to being set up correctly, how often on average will I need to clean the coil and rewick?

What is the best way to clean the coil?
To dry burn a coil in order to clean it. Remove the wicking. Best way I have found to remove and not distort the coil out of shape is to cut one end close to the coil itself. Pull on the opposite end to remove. Should come out easy. To dry burn(after rinsing and drying with paper towel) put it back onto the mod and gently pulse the fire button. What that means is to press the fire button a couple seconds at at time to slowly heat up the coil. Some members will rinse the coil again while hot to remove the gunk, other use paper towels(when cooled down) or q-tips to remove what is left over. You do not have to get the coils glowing red hot to do this. All that will do is wear the coil out faster. I hope this helps and I am sure others will be along with how they clean their's.

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That is one skanky coil, I'm not surprised you have to change that out so frequently.

To my inexperienced eye it looks to me like the juice is being baked into the cotton beneath the coil, and forming a tubular crust. I've just changed the 4 coils on my 2 mods tonight after about 2 weeks hard use, the coils were dark (SS 0.5 ohm combined, 8 wrap duals @ 55W) and the wick was slightly brown beneath the coil, but still very flexible and not stiff. They were beginning to taste a bit rough, but they would have lasted a bit longer.

People have mentioned airflow and wicking, and I think that could be the root problem, as you are not pushing the coil at 12W. I assume you are using cotton as your wick rather than rayon, as that requires a different wicking technique.
  1. How tight is the cotton inside the coil itself? If it is really loose/separated, the coils may be overheating and trying the juice. The combined density of a well juiced wick, decent airflow and good contact between the wick and the coil will reduce the running temperature of the coil by a considerable amount as they will act as a heatsink.
  2. As a test, press the fire button on your mod for 2, 5 and 10 seconds from cold without vaping. What do you see and hear? The juice should just be beginning to sizzle at 10 (if at all) and a small plume of smoke emerge from the tip. Anything more violent or quicker suggests the coil is being over driven far too quickly. Can you try a fresh coil on another mod? As a comparison, with 0.17 Ohms @12W it took 10 seconds for my rig to start to quietly splutter, without any vapour produced.
  3. What effect does adjusting the airflow have? If you are going for a really tight draw that will increase the coil temperature considerably, maybe too much.
  4. Check for shorts, there should be 100% clearance between the coil and all the deck components. If you have too much cotton and a chimney style RTA, the chimney could force the coil out of alignment. Is the resistance the same when you pre-burnt the coils and after you re-assembled the tank?
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Plenty of great information in both threads. Since the original threads were duplicates of one another. I have decided to merge the threads to keep the great information in the thread available for all to see.
 

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It's about 24 hours since I put the new coil in. I am starting to get some burnt tasting hits here and there. However, I was able to vape at 30 watts vs 13watts for those 24 hours.

If the burnt tasting hits become more frequent, I will try to clean the coil and re wick.
You might be able to delay cleaning and rewicking if you do a couple of occassional "primer puffs", since you appear to be chain vaping. Primer puffs are taking a draw without battery power on. This encourages the wick to absorb more e-liquid from the vacuum created in the tank during a draw.

RTA's can be rather tricky to wick properly in general, and yours appears like it could be particularly tricky. I suspect the burnt tasting you are experiencing is the wick is getting dry and is probably becoming singed.

If you continue to have issues, I recommend trying some Rayon (cellucotton). I've yet to see evidence of singed Rayon when changing the wick, unlike cotton. It's all that I've used since changing from cotton.

Rayon Wick - Better Flow, Flavor, Longevity, and Nic Hit!! - Pt.2
 
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You might be able to delay cleaning and rewicking if you do a couple of occassional "primer puffs", since you appear to be chain vaping. Primer puffs are taking a draw without battery power on. This encourages the wick to absorb more e-liquid from the vacuum created in the tank during a draw.

RTA's can be rather tricky to wick properly in general, and yours appears like it could be particularly tricky. I suspect the burnt tasting you are experiencing is the wick is getting dry and is probably becoming singed.

If you continue to have issues, I recommend trying some Rayon (cellucotton). I've yet to see evidence of singed Rayon when changing the wick.
Ok I will try that. Thanks
 
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