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[zoiDman]

Evidently what you propose is working beautifully. See how the public is greeting us with open arms?
Surely when the deeming reg.'s are passed it will be all good. The public will be helpful and understanding.
We will be happy because regulations will give us the validation we need. We can say,"Look public the
FDA has regulating vaping. Your safe. Can we vape by you now?"
There is no reinforcing dis-likes or fears by vaping in public places if no one is doing it. There still are
states where one can smoke indoors at public places. Theres many places vaping is still allowed. Where
is the overwhelming hew and cry from the public complaining?
The only thing creating fear and dislike is vapers skulking around like we are doing something bad.
There is nothing wrong with vaping in public. We should start acting like there is nothing wrong.
Nothing else is working. I say its time to be proactive. If we do not show them. No one will and,
we will forever be those people huddled together by the curb.
Regards
Mike

Nobody said there was Anything Wrong with Vaping in Public Mike. So quit trying to Spin this like there is.

Go out there and Vape all you want. Just Respect Businesses who Don't Allow Vaping on their Property.

Because "Vape Everywhere" is Not the Answer.

 

[skoony]

Nobody said there was Anything Wrong with Vaping in Public Mike. So quit trying to Spin this like there is.

Go out there and Vape all you want. Just Respect Businesses who Don't Allow Vaping on their Property.

Because "Vape Everywhere" is Not the Answer.

Well playing mister nice guy certainly didn't work. All that did was give the impression to the general
public that vaping is dangerous. I say its time to take the gloves off. If the reg.'s go the way I think they
will how could it possibly do anymore harm? Why does one assume the majority of the public would
have a negative response? They are uninterested at worst. They don't smoke or vape.
Regards
Mike

 

[zoiDman]

Well playing mister nice guy certainly didn't work. All that did was give the impression to the general
public that vaping is dangerous. I say its time to take the gloves off. If the reg.'s go the way I think they
will how could it possibly do anymore harm? Why does one assume the majority of the public would
have a negative response? They are uninterested at worst. They don't smoke or vape.
Regards
Mike

Take the Gloves Off? Who are you Fighting? The shoppers in the Cereal Aisle who don't want people Vaping their? The Store owners? Anyone who Doesn't Vape in General?

Cus you Ain't gonna convert many people by Blowing Vape in Enclosed Public Spaces. All your gonna do is Piss a Bunch of People Off.

 

[skoony]

Take the Gloves Off? Who are you Fighting? The shoppers in the Cereal Aisle who don't want people Vaping their? The Store owners? Anyone who Doesn't Vape in General?

Cus you Ain't gonna convert many people by Blowing Vape in Enclosed Public Spaces. All your gonna do is Piss a Bunch of People Off.

The only people I see getting ...... off is my fellow vapers and ANTZ types whom are ......
off about the whole thing.
Regards
Mike

 

[zoiDman]

The only people I see getting ...... off is my fellow vapers and ANTZ types whom are ......
off about the whole thing.
Regards
Mike

Go out and Talk to Non-Vaper's Mike.

I really think you will find that they don't give a Rat's Azz what you do at Home or in Open Public Places. But they Don't want you Blowing Vape in the Cereal Aisle of their Store. Or in the Movies. Or when they are trying to Eat in a Restaurant.

It's just kinda What it Is.

 

[skoony]

Go out and Talk to Non-Vaper's Mike.

I really think you will find that they don't give a Rat's Azz what you do at Home or in Open Public Places. But they Don't want you Blowing Vape in the Cereal Aisle of their Store. Or in the Movies. Or when they are trying to Eat in a Restaurant.

It's just kinda What it Is.

Well than lets just find out. I have always said society is perfectly capable of ironing out
the etiquette if left alone. Of course there will be places vaping will be frowned upon.
There will places where it would be ok. There will be places in between.( niche market)
This all can be done without government dictates. The best part is it's not bound by law.
The one thing people overlook is the insidious nature of how government dictates rob
the people of the opportunity to interact and work these sort of things out as any normal
healthy society would. This is not only about vaping and smoking. Every time the government
legislates otherwise legal behavior it adds another element of control that otherwise would
have taken care of itself. This is not healthy for society. We can see it in front of our eyes.
The more the government tells us we are all equal on the one hand they enact social policies
that make it impossible for that to happen. Look at the tax codes.From earned income credits
for the poorest of the poor to tax right offs for the rich. Some thing for everyone. One big
system of control. Every social issue the government sticks there noses in under the guise
of equality and equal opportunity has the opposite effect. They create special classes of
people who get special privileges fragmenting society even more. This is why nothing ever
gets done. Society is too fragmented. We are becoming a country of 318.9 million special
interest groups.
We have to start taking our lives back. Demand not ask. Dictate to them not,the other
way around. The science is on our side. We have the moral high ground. It will be a up
hill battle but, remember, Americans love the underdog.
Regards
Mike

 

[zoiDman]

Well than lets just find out. I have always said society is perfectly capable of ironing out
the etiquette if left alone. Of course there will be places vaping will be frowned upon.
There will places where it would be ok. There will be places in between.( niche market)
This all can be done without government dictates. The best part is it's not bound by law.
The one thing people overlook is the insidious nature of how government dictates rob
the people of the opportunity to interact and work these sort of things out as any normal
healthy society would. This is not only about vaping and smoking. Every time the government
legislates otherwise legal behavior it adds another element of control that otherwise would
have taken care of itself. This is not healthy for society. We can see it in front of our eyes.
The more the government tells us we are all equal on the one hand they enact social policies
that make it impossible for that to happen. Look at the tax codes.From earned income credits
for the poorest of the poor to tax right offs for the rich. Some thing for everyone. One big
system of control. Every social issue the government sticks there noses in under the guise
of equality and equal opportunity has the opposite effect. They create special classes of
people who get special privileges fragmenting society even more. This is why nothing ever
gets done. Society is too fragmented. We are becoming a country of 318.9 million special
interest groups.
We have to start taking our lives back. Demand not ask. Dictate to them not,the other
way around. The science is on our side. We have the moral high ground. It will be a up
hill battle but, remember, Americans love the underdog.
Regards
Mike

Why don't you run your "Vape Everywhere" scheme for Better Regulations and Less Bans by some Non-Vaper's Mike? Maybe talk to some Business Owners in your area and get their Perspective.

Because this Isn't a Video Game where you get to hit Reset when you Lose. Or some Forum Thread when things go Horribly Wrong, you just Stop Posting.

This is Real Life. And in Real Life, there are Always Repercussions for your Actions. I just Don't Think you have thought this thru very well.

 

[Kent C]

Yeah, Mike, think about the Real Life consequences...

 

[zoiDman]

Yeah, Mike, think about the Real Life consequences...

Are you Planning on doing a Revolution soon after also? Just like in 1773.

LOL

 

[Kent C]

Are you Planning on doing a Revolution soon after also? Just like in 1773.

LOL

Just pointing out how some political incorrectness doesn't always end with how some people might perceive it. I have other examples.... lol

And a revolution, in some form, at this point, isn't a bad idea...

 

[skoony]

Why don't you run your "Vape Everywhere" scheme for Better Regulations and Less Bans by some Non-Vaper's Mike? Maybe talk to some Business Owners in your area and get their Perspective.

Because this Isn't a Video Game where you get to hit Reset when you Lose. Or some Forum Thread when things go Horribly Wrong, you just Stop Posting.

This is Real Life. And in Real Life, there are Always Repercussions for your Actions. I just Don't Think you have thought this thru very well.

Soon enough the deeming reg.'s will be released. Short of Congress stepping it will be the law of the land.
There will be no court cases. Congress has given the FDA authority to regulate e-cigarettes. Thier protect
the chillin' card trumps everything.
No more negotiating. No more asking. No more fretting over offending some ones precious scientifically
bankrupt sensibilities. Only doing.
That's what I have been doing. I vape everywhere and do you know what? None notices nor cares.

We are what we do,Regards,
Mike

 

[zoiDman]

Just pointing out how some political incorrectness doesn't always end with how some people might perceive it.

...

Agreed. But the Other side of the Coin is that Some Do.

From Wiki...

"The Boston Tea Party (initially referred to by John Adams as "the Destruction of the Tea in Boston"[2]) was a political protest by the Sons of Liberty in Boston, on December 16, 1773. The demonstrators, some disguised as Native Americans, destroyed an entire shipment of tea sent by the East India Company, in defiance of the Tea Act of May 10, 1773. They boarded the ships and threw the chests of tea into Boston Harbor. The British government responded harshly and the episode escalated into the American Revolution. The Tea Party became an iconic event of American history, and other political protests such as the Tea Party movement after 2010 explicitly refer to it."

 

[Kent C]

Agreed. But the Other side of the Coin is that Some Do.

From Wiki...

"The Boston Tea Party (initially referred to by John Adams as "the Destruction of the Tea in Boston"[2]) was a political protest by the Sons of Liberty in Boston, on December 16, 1773. The demonstrators, some disguised as Native Americans, destroyed an entire shipment of tea sent by the East India Company, in defiance of the Tea Act of May 10, 1773. They boarded the ships and threw the chests of tea into Boston Harbor. The British government responded harshly and the episode escalated into the American Revolution. The Tea Party became an iconic event of American history, and other political protests such as the Tea Party movement after 2010 explicitly refer to it."

Not seeing the 'other side of the coin' and we paid for the products - Sam Adams insisted. Of course they responded harshly - we responded more harshly. And we were paid for the powder taken (by the English 'governor' Dunmore), in Virginia - Patrick Henry insisted. The patriots there had already stocked up on powder, but what was stored in the armory was theirs too.

 

[zoiDman]

... Of course they responded harshly - we responded more harshly. ...

OK.

Say everyone goes out and Starts Blowing Vape in Enclosed Public Spaces.
Local/States Respond Harshly.
Then what do We Do?

 

[zoiDman]

 

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[englishmick]

Yeah, Mike, think about the Real Life consequences...

Yeah, well look where that got you. Kicked out of the Empire, and you still can't get a decent cup of tea in this country. And by the way I believe you owe us the taxes on that stuff.

 

[Kent C]

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Looks like 'payback' to me.... but your call.

 

[bigdancehawk]

I am fed up with getting pushed around and of governmental entities at every level usurping the rights of property owners. In many cities and towns, mine included, it's already illegal to vape in a bar, even though the owner is OK with it. Notwithstanding that there's no valid scientific reason for these bans, what chance do we stand of preventing even more of them, much less of getting them repealed? Reason and logic haven't worked, which leaves what?

 

[Bubsmash]

The best thing that one can do at this point is to inform people in a positive way not just go out and start puffting on your device anywhere you please. This WILL bring a more negative impact to anyone who does not understand what vaping is as well as what it entails.
The best thing that we can do as the vaping community that we are is to sit down over a coffee with every family member we know as well as good friends we know. I already did this over the holidays with my father and I had my device there. I explained to him what VG was and where it can be found. I explained to him what PG was and where it can be found and what it's uses were. He started asking more questions about my device when I pulled it out of my pocket.
I told him what I do to fill my sub tank showed him the steps I go through to turn on my device explained how I would fire it. This is a more pro active way to go about things. The things He knows about vaping now He has enough knowledge himself now to pass that info on to his friends then his friends will pass that knowledge on and so on and so forth.
It is people that are forceful about things that ruin everything for all of us. Maybe learn a little something here from my posting or better yet go out and do as I did trust me it DOES work. Oh yeah and not once did I actually puff on my device out in public at the coffee shop we were at that is not needed at all when informing anyone about any e cig device.