Since litecig was out of what I REALLY wanted, I ordered from V4L. Their 'peach' cartos are really good, so order a bottle right? their peach ejuice....tastes like old socks! Steep time I think. On the other hand their nobacco menthol is pretty good right out of the mail box. (the menthol is what Litecig was out of in the big bottles) Now if only my HHV, VapeDudes, and FuZion would get here....